"Especially boys need to learn that objectification is not okay."

hierophage · 2013-11-25T18:39:30+00:00

There is nothing inherently wrong about objectification. The idea that objectification is the precursor to wholesale dehumanization is taken for granted in the gender roles narrative and needs to be called into question more often. Admiring women's physical features for their natural appeal and signaling of sexual fitness is just as disrespectful to women as human beings as enjoying the sweet taste of apples is disrespectful to apples as fruits of the natural world. Furthermore, even if one can make an argument to the contrary, women are just as guilty of reducing potential mates to the qualities they possess which make them attractive. Men's gaze in this regard tends to linger more on physical attributes, but that doesn't make it any more reductive of the subject than the female gaze's interest in a man's status and potential as a provider (or, indeed, the bulge in his pants).

JaydenPope · 2013-11-25T20:16:14+00:00

Since women are the majority of slut shamers why aren't women told to stop doing it to other women ?

nigglereddit · 2013-11-25T19:32:46+00:00

Objectification is one of the most curious feminist beliefs.

To accept it, you have to somehow believe that a woman's body is an object, separate from her. In effect, it's the belief that a woman's body is a kind of animated housing inside which the real woman is living. Thus, admiring her body is not admiring her.

In reality, I think we all accept that we are not inside our bodies, we are our bodies. Admiring someone's body is no different to admiring her intelligence, sense of humour or kindness; it's as much a part of her as them.

Roddy0608 · 2013-11-25T23:38:18+00:00

Women should stop thinking of men as success objects.

jmg83 · 2013-11-25T22:17:33+00:00

A Diet Coke advert in which a bunch of female office workers leer lustily at a shirtless male labourer was just on. Is that not objectification?

ILoveHate · 2013-11-25T23:46:15+00:00

What's the point of blurring the names when I can just check your comment history and get right to that conversation?

TracyMorganFreeman · 2013-11-26T06:16:55+00:00

There are many forms of objectification, and lo and behold, men seem more likely to be subject to denial of subjectivity, violability, fungibility and instrumentality.

lasertits69 · 2013-11-26T11:36:38+00:00

I've always felt that this crusade against objectification is really just feminists trying to invalidate the male perspective of male sexual attraction and replace it with a female one. It shows that they don't understand men at all and have no business telling us how to think. For better or for worse, our psychology finds certain physical traits attractive and pleasing to look at. The male sexuality is often very physical and feminists want us to just shut that part off?

7Vega · 2013-11-25T17:43:27+00:00

It perfectly illustrates the reality that behind every white knight is a douchebag who has a very low opinion of women.

Vtwinman · 2013-11-26T07:33:50+00:00

Objectification = Anything a feminist thinks is bad.

cooledcannon · 2013-11-26T07:50:48+00:00

Feminism and religion always give the shittiest reasons to quit porn.

greeniguana6 · 2013-12-01T05:01:19+00:00

"Shined your armor recently?"

Glorious comment. Can you link the comments so I can get your comment karma back on track?

WodensEye · 2013-11-25T22:50:47+00:00

I hope the irony wasn't lost on him.

I would have taken a different angle myself. That yes, boys do need to learn this. That objectification of their bodies, either as sex objects or tools for someone else's profit, is not how they should perceive themselves either.

xKittenZombiex · 2013-12-02T05:06:33+00:00

I lost my sides at that white knight joke.

DMgabe · 2013-11-26T05:59:46+00:00

Look, I am all for the bro-rage on the first comment but it all vanished when I read the replies. Still laughing at the white knight fail there.

anachronic · 2013-11-26T03:09:22+00:00

This looks like a screen cap of two 13 year olds telling each other off.

Number357 · 2013-11-26T03:21:32+00:00

Men objectify women because women refuse to date men that don't objectify women. The #1 thing most women look for in a man is somebody who is far, far more assertive with her than she is with him. That kind of imbalance doesn't typically exist with somebody I admire and respect as an equal. I am, however, quite assertive with my lamp. And my desk. And other objects. Men who objectify women are much more assertive than men who don't, which means they are far more successful with women. When women start treating men as equals, men will no longer feel the need to treat women like objects. Until then, women have no right to complain about a problem that they caused and continue to cause.

Title	"Especially boys need to learn that objectification is not okay."
Author	karmapilot
Upvotes	165
Comments	39
Date	November 25, 2013 5:02 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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