FBI confirms that rape definition includes envelopment

bookishboy · 2014-04-04T19:58:02+00:00

Wow, this is definitely a step in the right direction. I won't hold my breath but am hopeful.

TRPACC · 2014-04-04T20:26:59+00:00

This is what I thought all along, that the real problem is the wording and how it will slip by men who have been forced to penetrate when asked on gov. surveys.

The feminist lobby were clever with it.

Tamen_ · 2014-04-04T19:43:40+00:00

It's also posted to FeministCritics: http://www.feministcritics.org/blog/2014/04/04/fbi-clarifies-definition-of-rape-noh/

2014-04-04T23:37:16+00:00

Oh my god! This can only be a great thing. Because now male survivors who's experiences are defined under this will officially be recognized. Statistics are going to spike so much that anyone who seriously contests it with the old "But men are still majority perpetrators and women majority victims" is going to sound like all those Rape Supporters they fight against. Okay, maybe it won't affect statistics immediately but it can lead to equality in this arena in the future.

unbiasedpropaganda · 2014-04-05T01:36:42+00:00

Just spent 10 minutes search for "rape by envelopment" and read most of the comments here and I still don't know what the hell that means.

arsevolcano · 2014-04-05T04:41:42+00:00

Why are the FBI issuing incomplete definitions containing blatant errors? This is supposed to be the cream of law enforcement and they can't even publish a paper without basic fact checking.

yourotherusername · 2014-04-05T01:04:57+00:00

This is good news and a win for survivors everywhere. Thank you for your work!

CaptSnap · 2014-04-04T23:55:05+00:00

First I really appreciate your work on this and I appreciate Ms Reese taking the time to answer your questions.

But, is there a typo in her response to you? (emphasis mine)

To clarify, oral penetration by a sex-related object is NOT Rape according to the FBI UCR Program definition of Rape.

She then goes on to wonder why its not included...but its totally included.

In fact, its explicitly given as an example 11 here to reporting agencies. Two lesbians fall out and one shoves a dildo in the other's mouth (Im paraphrasing here), thats definitely to be counted as rape.

modernbenoni · 2014-04-05T03:09:12+00:00

It's just completely absurd that it isn't in the definition already really. Why would it be the case from any sane legal point of view that there should be a difference. I've seen a fair amount on this kind of stuff but it just still really bugs me.

5th_Law_of_Robotics · 2014-04-05T16:56:57+00:00

That's a start. Now if we could get an actual conviction...

Number357 · 2014-04-05T21:41:49+00:00

This is confusing, because the CDC makes it very clear that envelopment is not rape (they have a separate category for it), and their numbers are similar to the FBI's. Which likely means the FBI isn't administering their surveys very well.

Title	FBI confirms that rape definition includes envelopment
Author	Tamen_
Upvotes	276
Comments	54
Date	April 4, 2014 7:42 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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