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[–]Relic4989 16 points17 points18 points (1 child) | Copy Link
So many disgusting individuals on that sub. Jesus.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah there is a lot of the time, at least one of them was a decent person
[–]RockmanXX 28 points29 points30 points (3 children) | Copy Link
I Loooooove the word "Simp" its a great social shaming tool which is in the best Interests of ALL Men. Men should ALWAYS shame Men who sacrifice their dignity&self worth for the sake of appeasing a Woman, its a horrible example to follow and should be nipped in the bud. God Bless our Gen Y boys for coming up with the word "Simp".
Coming from a "hardcore Feminist" this is ironic, everything Feminists say makes me feel personally ATTACKED as a Man. I don't feel comfortable with the way Feminists address&talk about Men. I don't see Feminists being eager to listen to what Men have to say, i don't see Feminists respecting Men's feelings.
So, FUCK Feminists, then? Feminists say that Men are being Toxically Masculine(AKA we're less of a Man), all Men need to learn how to be REAL Man from Feminists.
If i had a penny for everytime Feminists called me an Angry Incel, Man-child, Crybaby, PeterPan etc etc i'd be a millionaire right now. Feminists are the one group that cannot tolerate MALE ANGER&Discontent. They think whenever men are angry, they should be put down like animals. YEAH that's called SUPPRESSION of feelings, we don't feel safe or comfortable in a culture where our voices are literally SHUT DOWN... it just makes us MORE fucking ANGRY!
So no, Feminists don't recognize shit. If they did they'd understand they are PART OF THE PROBLEM.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
I Loooooove the word "Simp" its a great social shaming tool which is in the best Interests of ALL Men. Men should ALWAYS shame Men who sacrifice their dignity&self worth for the sake of appeasing a Woman, its a horrible example to follow and should be nipped in the bud. God Bless our Gen Y boys for coming up with the word "Simp".
I agree if you're referring to the example, but it's not good when used because someone made a compliment or smthn. Basically when used correctly it's good, bad when used incorrectly, and it's used incorrectly a lot more than correctly
"Coming from a "hardcore Feminist" this is ironic, everything Feminists say makes me feel personally ATTACKED as a Man. I don't feel comfortable with the way Feminists address&talk about Men. I don't see Feminists being eager to listen to what Men have to say, i don't see Feminists respecting Men's feelings."
Tbh op fits more under egalitarian, which is believing both sexes are discriminated against in different situations and both have problems, I can agree most feminists disregard men's feelings and worth as people when having a conversations, I'm not saying feminism is inherently bad, but when they make men the enemy it sure is.
"So, FUCK Feminists, then? Feminists say that Men are being Toxically Masculine(AKA we're less of a Man), all Men need to learn how to be REAL Man from Feminists."
Same point as above basically, op is more and egalitarian, and sometimes there is toxic masculinity, but it's the same thing as simp essentially, a guy shaming another guy for not drinking say is toxic masculinity, but not when a guy spreads his legs to not squish his crowned jewels.
"If i had a penny for everytime Feminists called me an Angry Incel, Man-child, Crybaby, PeterPan etc etc i'd be a millionaire right now. Feminists are the one group that cannot tolerate MALE ANGER&Discontent. They think whenever men are angry, they should be put down like animals. YEAH that's called SUPPRESSION of feelings, we don't feel safe or comfortable in a culture where our voices are literally SHUT DOWN... it just makes us MORE fucking ANGRY!
So no, Feminists don't recognize shit. If they did they'd understand they are PART OF THE PROBLEM"
For the first part, Im sorry thats happened to you, and those are terrible people, but if op is trying to raise awareness for that problem, why are you fighting it, they're helping you out, just cuz they believe women have problems within society too doesnt mean they're the person calling you a man child. For the last part, op isnt typing that then going and doing those things, they're trying to raise awareness for it.
[–]RockmanXX 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You could say that for any insult, For ex:Feminists call every Men's Rights Advocate a "Misogynist" to shut them down.
But i say it is. Feminism(no matter what flavour) operates under the unsubstantiated belief in the Historical Oppression of Women for the sole benefit of Men. Unless Feminists openly reject their religious Belief in the "Patriarchal Oppression" and "Male Privilege", Feminism is&forever will be inherently bad.
No one has the right to label Masculinity as "Toxic", especially not feminists who consider Men as "Privileged&Oppressive", its arguably the most "Toxic" way to look at Men and Feminists are guilty of it.
What does that have to do with Masculinity? A Woman can say the same to a man and other women too, is that Toxic Masculinity too?
OP is not trying to raise awareness about the flaws of Feminists, OP did not say Feminists are being bad and they need to improve, she's just virtue signalling about the fact that she's a Feminist and "Still cares" about Men, oh how gracious of her... except she's deliberately turning a blind eye to everything bad Feminists do.
[–]obligatoryclevername 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah, "simp" is great. Women hate it because it endangers their special treatment from simps. We should be using that word every time we see the behavior.
[+]JohnDoe7211 points [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
Thats not a feminist, thats a decent human being. You cant be both.
[–]Minihercules317[S] -4 points-3 points-2 points (8 children) | Copy Link
In america I agree, but in middle eastern countries, if you aren't a feminist then you're pretty fucking stupid ngl
[–]gratis_eekhoorn 4 points5 points6 points (7 children) | Copy Link
being a man in midddle east isn't really better than being a woman in middle east
[–]Minihercules317[S] -1 points0 points1 point (6 children) | Copy Link
Bro what the fuck, until 2018 women weren't even allowed to drive in saudi arabia, and in iran they're required to wear a hijab at all times in public.
[–]gratis_eekhoorn 3 points4 points5 points (3 children) | Copy Link
you know middle east is more than two countries right? also in almost all of middle eastern countries there is male only conscription and wars happen very often in region also almost all middle eastern boys get circumsized
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Ok fine, I'll find something women are discriminated against in for other countries, I don't have time for all, do your research.
Egypt: FGM was legal till 2007.
Qatar: Very hard for women to get a divorce.
Bahrain: Women couldent vote till 2002.
Jordan: Women require permission from a male guardian to get married if they are under 30 and sex outside marriage is punishable by up to three years in prison.
Israel: Women aren't allowed to attend funerals and sometimes are made to drink in separate water fountains.
Yemen: literally the worst country for women, child marriage, divorce shaming, you get it all
Turkey: biased police and court
[–]gratis_eekhoorn 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
never said women are not discriminated against in middle east I'm just saying it is as bad for men too but because of gynocentrism even we MRAs often ignore men's problems especially in third world and middle east
[–]Minihercules317[S] -2 points-1 points0 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Oh it's shithole for everyone but especially for everyone but women are discriminated against way more, you are really downplaying women's problems though by saying it's not much better for men.
[–]Ok-Rush-5486 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
why are you being downvoted for not telling lies?
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Because this is reddit, factual evidence is liberal propaganda and if you don't agree with the hivemind you get eaten alive
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points (8 children) | Copy Link
It’s a bait.
Don’t fall for this “There are good feminist” BS.
This very well woven trap weaved with lies and manipulation.
Never Trust a Feminist.
You should know the actual definition of feminism.
FF.
[–]Minihercules317[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points (7 children) | Copy Link
Partially true, not all feminists are out there trying to burn every man alive, some are not fully educated on men's rights because schools don't teach about it cause for most of history women actually were oppressed but not so much anymore. Op does fit more under egalitarian than feminist though.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (6 children) | Copy Link
Females were never oppressed. They’ve always been privileged and always will be.
FF.
[–]Minihercules317[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points (5 children) | Copy Link
I'm sure they loved the privilege of not being allowed to vote and hold office
[–]Novitschok 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
In most countries, except from the us, men also weren't allowed to vote for the largest part of histroy . Were I live, the first election included men and women.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
Fuck Off. WhiteKnight Scum.
[–]Minihercules317[S] -3 points-2 points-1 points (2 children) | Copy Link
The sheer level of ignorance here is mind blowing, I really hope you're trolling
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Fuck You.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Well you really got me there
[–]evenmoremeancomments 10 points11 points12 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Aside from sounding like a 3 year old, her first few points are solid, and the shaming mainly comes from feminists that screech when you mention their weight in retort. Then, it spirals out of control
Simping isn't love, simping is the farthest thing there is from love. And shaming simps is one thing that should never be abolished, because giving thousands of dollars to a girl simply because she is one is the best example of inequality there is.
But also leave them after the first time because he should know what to do after 3 words. Also, withdraw consent when he pulls your hair and get him to court teehee. That's why I don't trust hardcore feminists going after men's rights
"Don't follow someone else's tOxIc standard of masculinity! Follow my standard of masculinity, where men can cry but are shamed for it by the same people that asked men to cry"
Great job, these are the important things to focus on when thinking about men's rights. Nevermind child support, alimony, a say in abortion/parenthood, false raoe accusations, not going down on a woman is noe the most oppressing issue we're facing.
[–]Minihercules317[S] -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
There's a lot of issues, I'm sure op agrees the last stuff is bad too, just cause they didn't write it doesn't mean they like it
[–]vomGrossenFluss -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
This plus the emapthy gap and DV on men's.
"Our Studies told us that men's are victims of DV as much as women's"
"Buh! defund this! cancel it!"
"It's bad to shame a men if he don't want to go down on a women."
[gives awards + tons of upvotes]
what a messy world
[–]Panderjit_SinghVV 10 points11 points12 points (4 children) | Copy Link
She doesn’t object to sex discrimination against men or the decades long hate campaign from feminists.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 2 points3 points4 points (1 child) | Copy Link
No one's gonna write down every reason dude, she was hitting a lot of the major problems
[+]TehReedster892 points [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Right. Like, that post is better than nothing. But notice how almost the entire list was just the same point repeated over and over: "Men shouldn't be shamed for their appearance". That's just one point. Even if you break it down into "baldness", "weight", "dick size", "duration in bed", etc. It's all basically the same category, which is not to shame men for appearance/sex appeal.
There are so many other ways men get screwed in society. It's kind of frustrating to see someone who claims to "get it", but the only thing they think we deal with is the double standard of acceptable shaming (which is true, but hardly the most important issue).
It's posts like these which make fewer allies for men's rights, not more. Because anyone who is on the fence will see a post like this, and think, "Jesus, that's it? If these are the worst issues men face, they have it pretty damn good". It will just push them further away from supporting men's rights, because they'll think there's less to it than there is.
[–]novhaku 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Half of the list can be read like "men should have the right to be like women". I mean, arguing for hair pieces but not for how sexist current DV strategies are or paper abortion (that, conveniently enough, are way more complicated subjects for feminists since it involves actually revoking some female privileges)? Seriously now?
It's not a list of male problems. It's a list of male problems that are convenient enough to be acknowledged, can all be blamed on the evil ""patriarchy"" somehow, and aren't too bothersome for women and don't force them to give up on some of their "exra". And then there's this simp part that conveniently ignore the fact that simping is bad because it's sexism; the simp wouldn't simp as much towards a man having the same problems as the woman.
Advocating for men, but in a way that is useful to women.
[–]mewacketergi2 2 points3 points4 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Bless that girl for having her heart in the right place. Yet she is still a complete motherfucking idiot. Despite her sympathy, she understands little about men, and pervasiveness of this sort ignorance about gender and men is a big part of why men's movement is fighting such an uphill battle:
EDIT:
And I felt so happy about this post at first. Fucking dipshit of a woman and her propaganda...
EDIT2:
And then we get to the lie that does the most damage to men:
To paraphrase the Red Pill, this is a lie, and it is a hateful lie. It probably does more damage than whatever the amount of empathy she could ever come up with and put in the body of the post could fix.
[–]gratis_eekhoorn 4 points5 points6 points (1 child) | Copy Link
never believe feminists when they say they care about male issues, especially the ones that call themselves ''hardcore feminist''
[–]Minihercules317[S] -1 points0 points1 point (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup, becauwe that would make them egalitarians, feminism is needed in the middle east though, not really in america
[–]Metroid545 3 points4 points5 points (4 children) | Copy Link
I wouldnt say amazing by a long shot but Im always happy to find mutual ground with stuff like this
[–]OTS_ 4 points5 points6 points (2 children) | Copy Link
Problem is that hardcore feminists only want to find common ground when it fits their narrative.
[–]Metroid545 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Well bit by bit we can win people over and change the public perception but were never going to agree with everything
[–]OTS_ 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
You’re right. It’s worth having the conversation and trying to share your thoughts and opinions, they might just hear what you have to say!
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Yeah true, I probably could have chosen a better word ngl
[–]beatstorelax 4 points5 points6 points (3 children) | Copy Link
never believe feminists, dude
[–]Minihercules317[S] -1 points0 points1 point (2 children) | Copy Link
I'm sure they're gonna listen to our problems and try and understand if we completely disregard that they could be saying anything correct
[–]beatstorelax 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
i tried it several times. not anymore. they don't care about men or equality
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Tell me exactly what you said to them
[–]AleksandrNevsky 1 point2 points3 points (1 child) | Copy Link
Well she's no Christina Hoff Summers but at least she's raising above the typical thing we think of when we hear "radfem".
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Pretty much, amazing was a strong word ngl
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points (5 children) | Copy Link
Not a single thing about male victims of domestic violence/rape, fathers reamed by family court, false rape accusations, or even the culture of "Grrl Power" that permits abusive girls/women to get away with atrocious behaviour towards the opposite gender.
OP, this feminist is merely paying lip service and not even putting any effort into it whatsoever except regurgitate the same tiresome, bothersome talking points that barely scrapes the surface of what men's issues are truly about.
No it isn't and feminism has contributed to the hardships of men by well documented blunders like the Duluth Model of Domestic Violence.
[–]Minihercules317[S] -2 points-1 points0 points (4 children) | Copy Link
Feminism has been needed pretty much up until very late 20th century, now egalitarianism is what we actually need, but if you think feminism is has always been bad and unneeded then go back to school. Also op isnt gonna touch on every point, maybe they're uneducated on the topic, maybe they just didn't get to put it in the list, etc.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (3 children) | Copy Link
The feminism responsible for The Declaration of Sentiments? Yeah, like we needed men as a whole to be scapegoated.
Before you implore I get an education, educate yourself on the movement you're endorsing. It never was about equality.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (2 children) | Copy Link
I just read through the declaration of sentiments, everything there is factual, feminism was needed back then there's something messed up in your head if you think they shouldn't have been allowed to hold office and vote as two examples.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
You don't see a serious problem with declaring all men an obstacle to independence? I'm not the one with the messed up head if so.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Where did they say all men were evil? They literally said men that supported it, also for them it was only men stopping them, do you think other women didn't want the right to vote or hold office?
[–]YouCantHelpMeButThx 0 points1 point2 points (1 child) | Copy Link
That's good, because no one else really gives a fuck.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Lmao
[–]JestyerAverageJoe 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
The comments are full of misandry. Also plenty of femsplaining about how we have no right to be offended by deliberately inflammatory sexist language like "toxic masculinity." If you ever want to prove whether you're talking to a feminist who is operating dishonestly and with bad faith, just ask her to use the term "internalized misandry" rather than "toxic masculinity." You'll typically see her immediately begin screeching and hissing when she's forced to show that her goal is to be a sexist piece of shit.
[–]wesborlandisagod5 -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
That is not a female lol
[–]Minihercules317[S] 0 points1 point2 points (0 children) | Copy Link
Her name is literally Julia three times and she has a picture of her and her dog my guy https://www.reddit.com/r/DOG/comments/iivhb2/morning_hugs_with_my_120_lb_german_shepardgreat/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
[–]SultanSaatana -1 points0 points1 point (1 child) | Copy Link
She is no way a feminist.
[–]Minihercules317[S] 1 point2 points3 points (0 children) | Copy Link
More like an egalitarian tbh