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Harvey Weinstein accusers trying to stop him releasing emails that he can use to defend himself. Same old story — covering-up the truth.

Consilio_et_Animis

December 15, 2018
114 upvotes
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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/12/15/harvey-weinstein-bragged-sleeping-jennifer-lawrence-lawsuit/
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Title Harvey Weinstein accusers trying to stop him releasing emails that he can use to defend himself. Same old story — covering-up the truth.
Author

Consilio_et_Animis

Upvotes 114
Comments 46
Date December 15, 2018 6:22 PM UTC
(7 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/a6hge5/harvey_weinstein_accusers_trying_to_stop_him/
Archive Link https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/harvey-weinstein-accusers-trying-to-stop-him.1183249
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Comments

[–]Coolgamerdude50 52 points53 points54 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No matter what you think of Weinstein, not allowing evidence that is usually admissible into a court case is just wrong.

[–]mraproj 47 points48 points49 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They allege Weinstein’s lawyers told them he “intended to unleash these emails in the media to sway the court of public opinion”.

Evidence that shows his side of the story? No, we cant have any of that going on, can we?

my gosh.

[–]omegaphallic 19 points20 points21 points 7 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

I just had a joygasm, when Weinstein releases these email and all the liers of #Metoo get exposed feminist Hollywood is going to get rocked to the core. We can't let them stop the truth from getting out.

This is going to be fucking beautiful.

[–]3-10 6 points7 points8 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

It will be epic when they are all shown to be the whores we deep down know they are. JLaw's is claiming it's a lie she slept with him for her career. I'd put solid money down that she did and even rimmed him.

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Actually I think she is telling the truth because Weinstein might be a fellow slut, but he isn't the soulless sex predator that he is made out to be, which is worse then being a whore. I can respect a whore, love a who're, heck I write erotica and made money so I kind of am a whore.

No she knows he didn't try and fuck her and if he was the predator they say he is, she would have been a prime target. Which means she knows he is innocent and yet says nothing, instead insulting him to make sure #Metoo doesn't go after her.

She is a huge fucking coward.

[–]3-10 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Maybe, but I still think he offered her the casting couch and she bought it. I don’t think he used force, he just offered a business transaction to the women and most jumped on the opportunity. After all, it’s the big league #TagTheSponsor.

[–]omegaphallic 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

I don't think he did, but given the nasty shit she said about him, that she likely knows is BS and the way she threw him under the bus, I hope he fucked Jennifer Lawrence's brains out in every hole willingly because either way she screwed him, so I hope it wasn't just figuratively.

[–]theAnalepticAlzabo 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

> and even rimmed him

(shudder) Why did you need to include that... .....thought? What did we ever do to you?!

[–][deleted] 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]omegaphallic 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Well it would be great for GTA (Greater Toronto Area, not Grand Theft Auto, sigh), as well are doing pretty well at stealing business from Hollywood.

[–]20cansofSpam 16 points17 points18 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not allowed to defend himself. Feminist against due process.

[–]omegaphallic 11 points12 points13 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

If the courts block the release I hope some hacks the system and releases the public needs this info, the corrupt lying #Metoo movement needs to be exposed.

[–]njullpointer 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

weinstein is, by some very frank phone recordings, a lech... but even lech's have rights to not be accused end convicted without evidence of things he didn't do. Not offering him equal protection under the law is unforgivable.

[–]Fishsushi 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dew it. STRIKE THEM DOWN WITH YOUR EMAILS.

[–]Mythandros 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I always suspected there was something fishy about the allegations against Weinstein.

Not allowing evidence to be presented is certainly very suspicious.

This makes me lean towards believing Weinstein even more.

But still, I will reserve judgement for now. Need more information.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well, it's like everything else.

I mean look at the Authentic Love Berlin stuff. They went ahead and censored, deleted and banned users who called them out on that nonsense on YouTube, and now are calmly and happily smiling and saying everyone agrees with them.

Feminism does this. It erases dissent and then claims victory.

[+]keyjunkrock -18 points-17 points-16 points 7 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

Ok.... defending Weinstein does this sub a disservice. Y'all are pieces of shit if you think hes innocent for a second.

[–]pasta4u 12 points13 points14 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think name calling isn't warranted. We want the truth and if these emails paint a different story than what the accusers say shouldn't they be used in court ? If your life was ruined and you were facing jail time would you not want all the evidence sceen , esp if it would prove your innocence ?

[–]Adanu0 10 points11 points12 points 7 years ago (17 children) | Copy Link

You're a piece of shit if you don't want due process.

[–]keyjunkrock -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (16 children) | Copy Link

You're a piece of shit if you think Weinstein is innocent for a second.

[–]Adanu0 8 points9 points10 points 7 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

What I think doesn't matter. What matters is the evidence.

[+]keyjunkrock -7 points-6 points-5 points 7 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link

Leaking emails to sway public opinion is the opposite of due process.

[–]Adanu0 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Right... you have no idea what you're talking about. Good day.

[–]keyjunkrock -5 points-4 points-3 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Just because you hate woman doesnt mean you're pro mens rights. You're a stain on this subreddit and you have no idea what you're talking about.

[–]Adanu0 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

You want Feminisn, not MensRights. Your ridiculous logic has more of a place there.

[–]keyjunkrock 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Not hating on woman doesnt make me a feminist. You're a bigot not a MRA.

Dont pretend trying to take rights away from woman is the same thing as wanting rights for men.

You people are harmful to any sort of equality being reached. You're the polar opposite of radical feminists, and you're no better.

[–]bufedad 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Not hating on women makes you average... denying men due process measures you a feminist.

[–]Adanu0 1 point2 points3 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I have no idea where you're getting your lies from, but that logic is exactly what the feminazis try to attack us with. Shaming tactics don't work here. Go troll somewhere else.

[–]keyjunkrock1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Calm down there bigot.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Leaking emails to sway public opinion is the opposite of due process.

But endless women claiming on Twitter (with zero evidence) that Weinstein "forced" them to let him give them oral sex is due process then eh?

[–]keyjunkrock -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

The fact that you dont see the difference in this is exactly why woman need feminism.

The hate for woman on this sub is ridiculous. You dont care about due process you just want to stick it to them.

This isnt a case of a man getting wrongfully accused. This is a monster who preyed on young woman for decades.

I'm so sick and tired of the sexist flapping gums finding this subreddit and thinking all of a sudden they're for mens rights, when all they want is to stick it to them at any cost.

You demean what it is to be a mens rights activist. And you tarnish all the work being done to help men when you take a man like Harvey Weinstein and try to turn him into a martyr.

Hes trying to discredit them publicly before a trial even takes place. That's not due process, so stop pretending it is.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

'Let the jury consider their verdict,' the King said, for about the twentieth time that day.

'No, no!' said the Queen. 'Sentence first—verdict afterwards.'

'Stuff and nonsense!' said Alice loudly. 'The idea of having the sentence first!'

'Hold your tongue!' said the Queen, turning purple.

'I won't!' said Alice.

Off with her head!' the Queen shouted at the top of her voice. Nobody moved.

— Alice's Adventures in Wonderland, by Lewis Carroll

[–]keyjunkrock -3 points-2 points-1 points 7 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Wonderful book, thank you for proving my point with it.

He was in a position of power over their lives and their careers. It was up to him to be a decent human being with that power.

If I am a womans boss, and I hold significant power over her, I can not make sexual advances at her and tell her it will help her career. It's the same with a woman boss doing the same to me.

I dont understand what's so fucking hard to comprehend with you bigots.

I'm so glad you people dont speak for his subreddit. The majority of the people on here are sensible and not woman hating idiots, they're trying to bring awareness to people unjustly accused, or to double standards.

You are the minority here thankfully.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 0 points1 point2 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Be attractive — don't be unattractive!

[–]loloLogic -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I don't think his post is the staunch defense of your position you're posturing it to be.

[–]keyjunkrock1 point 7 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

His comments were

[–]GingerRazz 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This may shock you, but some people believe even the guilty deserve due process an all evidence to be seen. Without all the evidence, a reasonable sentence cannot be given.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 2 points3 points4 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Ah yes. Burn the witch! 🙄

[–]splodgenessabounds 5 points6 points7 points 7 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Defending the principles of the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial is not the same as defending Weinstein. I really do not understand why so many people cannot see this simple distinction.

[–]keyjunkrock -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

Leaking emails doesnt help a court case it's a smear campaign to hurt victims of his crimes.

I dont understand why you don't see the difference.

Hes trying to paint a picture that they were all asking for it.

He was on a seat of power over their lives and careers. What they said to him was irrelevant and you're an absolute simple idiot if you think otherwise.

People like you do this subreddit a disservice. This is a monster who leached off woman for years, not a man wrongfully accused of rape.

Pick your battles. Defending him stoops this subreddit to a new low.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis[S] 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

hurt victims of his crimes.

So already guilty eh? Why bother with a trial? Burn the witch!

[–]keyjunkrock -1 points0 points1 point 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about him not being allowed to broadcast emails to slander victims. Which is what the judge will rule.

[–]MajinAsh 3 points4 points5 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Unless the emails are fabricated how can it be slander? It has to be untrue to be slander. Why would anyone be against the truth? If things are as terrible as you say won’t the emails just confirm that?

[–]splodgenessabounds 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Leaking emails doesnt help a court case it's a smear campaign to hurt victims of his crimes. I dont understand why you don't see the difference. Hes trying to paint a picture that they were all asking for it.

So you've seen the emails in question? No? Then how do you know that

What they said to him was irrelevant

...?

People like you do this subreddit a disservice.

Noble of you to be so concerned about the reputation of this sub but let me assure you that the moment this sub stops defending the presumption of innocence and the right to a fair trial is the moment I leave it for good.

[–]keyjunkrock -2 points-1 points0 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I never said ignore due process, not for a second. He should absolutely have his day in court regardless.

He should now however be able to countermand due process by leaking emails.

The man is the apitomy of a monster. He had absolute power of these woman and used it to have sex with them.

[–]whatafoolishsquid 4 points5 points6 points 7 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Smearing their names is the excuse the plaintiffs are using to block the emails. It's clear from the article Weinstein's attorneys are claiming they defend him in court.

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