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Help Eradicate Female Genital Mutilation- Please read b/c this is apparently a epidemic in America and Canada.

thetrollking

August 5, 2011

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Title	Help Eradicate Female Genital Mutilation- Please read b/c this is apparently a epidemic in America and Canada.
Author	thetrollking
Upvotes	7
Comments	55
Date	August 5, 2011 4:12 PM UTC (15 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/j9z15/help_eradicate_female_genital_mutilation_please/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/help-eradicate-female-genital-mutilation-please.1036242 https://theredarchive.com/post/1036242

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You're still a moron.

The same mission of equality for all is stated by the NAACP. I'm sure blacks across the United States would be sympathetic to calls for the NAACP to adhere to this policy and therefore fight for the repeal of affirmative action programs, which by their very nature are "unequal."

Oh and GLADD says their mission is to increase equality as well. I presume, then, their failure to promote the interests of straight people means they are similarly biased?

"Equality" in the context of political and social organizations such as NOW and NAACP and GLAAD means their equality, not yours. This is sociology and poly sci 101. That's how social and political organizations work hoss. They're entitled to pick and choose their causes, and certainly they don't have to fight for your equality to validate the fight for theirs. Nor are the mission statements of NOW or NAACP or GLAAD in conflict with their activities because their very existence is to serve the interests of the people they represent - WOMEN, AFRICAN AMERICANS, GAYS & LESBIANS. NOT: WHITE STRAIGHT MEN.

See what these organizations realized because it's self-fucking-evident, and what you clearly are incapable of grasping, is that if you believe you are treated unequally, it's not the job of others to mount that fight for you. What the nutcase extremist MRA yahoos argue by making these juvenile posts is that someone else is responsible for fighting your cause merely because they have a cause which correlates.

That's why your and OP's (and others') pathological attempts to rationalize an irrational position make you all clearly the most sexist, entitled maniacs on Reddit.

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Interesting. You ignored the first paragraph of their mission statement, which specifically declares it a feminist organization; therefore the following material that you quoted must be read in light of that qualification. I'm not sure if you're familiar with how mission statements work. You don't get to pick and choose or take text out of context to support a misleading conclusion.

Even had your interpretation been correct, perhaps it is an appropriate time to point out the same mission of equality for all is stated by the NAACP. I'm sure blacks across the United States would be sympathetic to calls for the NAACP to adhere to this policy and therefore fight for the repeal of affirmative action programs, which by their very nature are "unequal."

Oh and GLADD says their mission is to increase equality as well. I presume, then, their failure to promote the interests of straight people means they are similarly biased?

What the extreme MRA's and you do not seem to grasp, indicating they are high school students with the reasoning ability of the pimples on their face, is that "equality" in the context of political and social organizations such as NOW and NAACP and GLAAD means their equality, not yours. This is sociology and poly sci 101. That's how social and political organizations work hoss. They're entitled to pick and choose their causes, and certainly they don't have to fight for your equality to validate the fight for theirs. Nor are the mission statements of NOW or NAACP or GLAAD in conflict with their activities because their very existence is to serve the interests of the people they represent - WOMEN, AFRICAN AMERICANS, GAYS & LESBIANS. NOT: WHITE STRAIGHT MEN.

That is why these posts and "HELL YEAH" upvotes are so comically and pathetically out of touch with common sense & reality.

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Again, you're arguing a fallacy. Multiple ones. First you're assuming that the big bad conspiratorial "Feminism" is a cohesive unit of collective and shared body of thought to such a degree that this amorphous "they" is chanting men need more feminism? Where the hell are you getting your information?

Second, most of the outrage over what you deem to be collective "feminist" thought is typically a soundbite or one-liner delivered by a single person in a narrow context that you claim represents the opinion of the whole, which is then trotted out with much fanfare whenever your point has been logically challenged. I.e.: Your argument that NOW owes men X is invalid because of Y. You respond: "OH BUT THIS ONE TIME I READ A FEMINIST SAID WHAT WE NEED IS MORE FEMINISM SO THERE!! HAHA YOU GUYS CAN'T GET IT RIGHT."

Third, you're presuming that I'm a "feminist" due the mere fact I challenged an argument or position that fit with your definition of what a MRA is or should be. Just because someone disagrees with your point of view and finds it irrational doesn't mean they are the big bad "feminist." (cue Jaws soundtrack). It's a transparent dismissal of a valid point and reflects an obvious inability to address the issue on its merits.

And I'm not the only one who's made these comments in this subreddit. Many other MRA's have well. You guys make the whole notion of MRA look like a fucking joke with this shit.

[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 15 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Let's break it down:

First you're assuming that the big bad conspiratorial "Feminism" is a cohesive unit of collective and shared body of thought to such a degree that this amorphous "they" is chanting men need more feminism? Where the hell are you getting your information?

Nope. I said some feminists tell us that, and since you think it's idiotic to expect feminists to help men (which was your argument - the fact that NOW is a 'feminist' organization means that their objective of fighting 'sexism' should apply only to women - that's what you said), then you should tell them they are wrong next time that happens. I'd love to see it.

I.e.: Your argument that NOW owes men X is invalid because of Y. You respond: "OH BUT THIS ONE TIME I READ A FEMINIST SAID WHAT WE NEED IS MORE FEMINISM SO THERE!! HAHA YOU GUYS CAN'T GET IT RIGHT."

You seem to have completely misunderstood the meaning behind our comments. We don't actually expect NOW to fight for our interests. Nor do we particularly want them to. We were pointing out precisely the conflict which you don't seem to understand between arguing that feminism is the one true path to equality and the reality that feminism doesn't give a shit about men.

Third, you're presuming that I'm a "feminist"

No I called you a whacko, not a feminist

And I'm not the only one who's made these comments in this subreddit. Many other MRA's have well. You guys make the whole notion of MRA look like a fucking joke with this shit.

What MRAs? And what comments? I don't even understand what you are attacking anymore. You seem to be attacking the idea that feminism should fight for men's rights but it makes NO SENSE that you would get so worked up about such a menial detail. How does that make us 'extremist'? I would think that would actually make us more moderate.

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This is downright comical.

The deductions I made from your overly-broad statements remain accurate. For instance. Your arguing that you weren't commenting on "all feminists" and your arguing that your comment "you whackos" didn't mean you were referring to me as a feminist both are transparent and pathetic attempts to again rationalize points that are illogical and refuted by your own commentary. The bottom line is your comments generalized feminists and you referred to me as a feminist for disagreeing with your irrational viewpoint. I'm not playing semantics on this.

The so-called feminist conflict with which you and some similarly thick-skulled commenters are so irrationally obsessed is utterly irrelevant to MRA. It adds nothing to the discussion, it has no purpose to advancing the cause of a single male whatsoever. It boils down to baby whining. When a significant number of posts that I see on this subreddit (and links to external sites) are circle-jerking over a non sequitur such as what a DIFFERENT CAUSE is or is not doing to ADVANCE YOURS, you must understand why the vast majority reasonable people interpret the MRA cause as having no serious merit even though there are in fact points that have great merit and that the vast majority of its advocates are teenagers or adults suffering from arrested development with mommy issues. If you think I'm the first or only one whose been the voice of reason here or stated that sentiment, you haven't been around Reddit that long or you don't read very many posts.

While I can explain why you're irrational, I can't learn it for you. So by all means continue getting your panties in a twist about NOW and bitching about their inability or unwillingness to address men's concerns, and let us all know how much progress you've made for men in your efforts. I suspect it would be zero, but who am I to tell someone not to waste their time and look like an idiot in the process.

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