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Men also protested at the women's march.

bordishki

January 23, 2017
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http://www.verygoodlight.com/2017/01/23/allies-of-the-womens-march/
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Title Men also protested at the women's march.
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bordishki

Upvotes 7
Comments 51
Date January 23, 2017 4:38 PM UTC
(9 years ago)
Subreddit Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/5ppum1/men_also_protested_at_the_womens_march/
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[–]thrway_1000 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://archive.is/z7iRV

[–]bordishki[S] 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (30 children) | Copy Link

What are your thoughts on men who marched?

[–]Sasha_ 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link

Usual bunch of virtue-signaling beta-males. Yawn.

[–]InBaggingArea 7 points8 points9 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Virtue signaling certainly. Beta? That's a bit of a second rate term. What does it even mean?

In fact, virtue signaling, rightly or wrongly, is a way into political power, and it that sense it is a trait of power, and, if power is alpha (I'm not sure), then it might just as well be an alpha trait.

Better would be to think clearly, ditch the term, and say what we think really would consist in virtue if this does not.

[–]Lethn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link

Unfortunately, while I'd normally agree using terms like beta males and alpha males is stupid it completely applies here. Feminists hate men, they treat them like shit and these men are no fucking different because they're incapable of doing anything for themselves and being independent from these women.

These men aren't powerful in any aspect, they're subjugated and that's just what feminists love. The sad thing is you just know they're not even going to get laid very often from this, they'll maybe get pity sex or a handjob while their girlfriends or wives go off fucking other men and justifying it on shitty feminist blog sites by calling it an 'open relationship'.

It truly is a pathetic form of existence, I would honestly rather stay single all the way to 70 than be subjected to that kind of treatment. Hopefully it won't come to that though and I'll be able to find at the very least one or two sane women out there that won't treat me like shit.

[+]xemuj points 9 years ago [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link

are you really this naive? You do realize that it's possible to have empathy for other human beings and care about social justice and women's rights without expecting to get sex out of it, right?

[–]Lethn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

If you were talking about anybody but male feminists I'd agree with you.

[–]InBaggingArea 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

I really don't think it's that simple.

They want to get laid, yes. But they want to be valued for who they are, just like you do. They want to help create a world in which that can happen: a world in which women are treated as the equals of men so that men and women can find true happiness without constantly having to pretend they are somebody else and without the man having to perform as the big guy that dominates the women to win them as prizes.

Not a bad idea, huh?

So do they want to get laid, yes? But do they become feminists as a kind of bargain: I'll be the nice guy and you'll fuck me? No. Not really.

Until you understand them, you won't really understand where they go wrong. They will just think you are misrepresenting them and they'll be right.

In a way, they're not so very different from us. We just got disappointed. That's all.

[–]miredroditku 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I agreed with you up until your last two sentences. "We just got disappointed" dismisses the experiences that many of us have had in relation to feminism and feminists.

[–]InBaggingArea 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Dismisses? How so? Understates it, perhaps.

[–]miredroditku 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You know, thanks for responding because it caused me to think about my comment again and I agree that dismisses is too strong a word. I'm not sure that understates is strong enough, but I appreciate the content of your original comment.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

You do realize that it's possible to have empathy for other human beings and care about social justice and women's rights without expecting to get sex out of it, right?

Oh I have empathy for women's rights.

The kicker is, I'm tired of people insisting that my empathy only go one way instead of both ways. Because nobody has any empathy whatsoever for the hardships men face.

Female domestic violence and sexual abuse victims.

Divorced mothers.

Spurned girlfriends.

All automatically given empathy.

Male domestic violence and abuse victims.

Divorced Fathers.

Spurned Boyfriends.

Zero empathy from people.

Sooner or later, it gets to you. I haven't gone against women's rights though. But think about it: When is there going to be any empathy for Men's Issues? Aside from a documentary that's been vehemently protested by feminists?

[–]PurpleBanner 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Hi. Excuse me for butting into the convsersation, but what you said,

The kicker is, I'm tired of people insisting that my empathy only go one way instead of both ways.

I have a similar feeling.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis -3 points-2 points-1 points 9 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

Manginas - all of them.

[–]InBaggingArea 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link

Lazy labeling of others assigned outside the group is the enemy of understanding.

If it were so simple, why would there be such persons. Plainly they have reasons for what they did and they too, just like us, believe that their understanding is correct and if followed by all would make for a fairer and better life for all of us.

They may be mistaken, but we should start by understanding them. Then we could perhaps help them out others to begin to see the place where their reasoning went astray.

Date I see, we too should be open to the possibility of such error. What's the alternative? Kill one another?

[–]Consilio_et_Animis -2 points-1 points0 points 9 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link

You sound like this mangina cuck that was on the march: http://www.therebel.media/shock_video_rebel_reporter_attacked_by_alberta_ndp_thug

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You sound like a cunt. Go fuck yourself.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Lazy labeling of others assigned outside the group is the enemy of understanding.

If it were so simple, why would there be such persons. Plainly they have reasons for what they did and they too, just like us, believe that their understanding is correct and if followed by all would make for a fairer and better life for all of us.

They may be mistaken, but we should start by understanding them. Then we could perhaps help them out others to begin to see the place where their reasoning went astray.

Dare I say, we too should be open to the possibility of such error. What's the alternative? Kill one another?

[–]InBaggingArea 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Exactly. Well spotted. I was just testing.

But the imperative to understand others does not entail the requirement to be defenceless in the face of mindless insults.

You called me a mangina cuck.

To waste any further time reasoning with you would be shameless.

I've things to do.

Fuck off some more.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Confirmed:

/u/InBaggingArea sounds just like the magina cuck on the march: http://www.therebel.media/shock_video_rebel_reporter_attacked_by_alberta_ndp_thug

[–]Chipdogs -1 points0 points1 point 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Oh fuck off with your buzzwords, can't you do anything more than parrot what you read on /pol?

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

/pol is infested with Mangina Cucks darling - I don't go there 💩

[–]Chipdogs 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

When /pol's views aren't extreme enough, maybe you should sit back and examine your life

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yes - I need a hug 😘

[–]SupremeDesigner 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

hugs

[–]Derrythe 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I can see how some women and LGBT people can look at the new administration and worry that some of their rights (same sex marriage) or interests (abortion, planned parenthood care) may be in danger of change. I get why and how men might care about these issues and wish to support the women in their lives and add their voice to the protests.

I personally don't think much is in danger of significantly changing. And chose not to support the women's march because their platform was riddled with typical feminist myths and included issues that have an equal or greater negative effect on men, but seemed worded specifically to ignore those aspects of the issues. Like the equality in the justice system, an inequality that men suffer from far more than women. I think omitting men from the issues listed in the march is even more deliberate considering the inclusion of issues related to BLM, undocumented immigrants, and Muslims.

[–]rg57 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

They are easily-led fools.

They were:

  • against Trump, looking for a way to vent
  • generally in favor of women, as we all are, but failing to look into feminism or the march itself in any serious way
  • drunk on the regressive Kool-Aid
  • looking for an event with an advantageous sex ratio

[+]JoelTLoUisBadass points 9 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

Honestly? That most of them are cowardly cucks like this guy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1eb9vQ1vAk

[–]Meyright 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Your argument would be much stronger without the use of the word cuck.

The video you posted is crazy. More evidence that those type of people don't care about women at all but about their ideology.

[–]furchfur 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Manginas marching

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

Sure they did. I applaud anyone that gets off their asses to make their views known, because apathy is a pretty nasty disease. All that being said, you only have to read twox to see the simply inordinate amount of virtue signaling going on by male posters around the march, and the inordinate praise they received in return, which is precisely why the virtue signaling happens.

I am really not so sure welcoming all slices of masculinity really means that we should, let alone must, embrace the 1/5th of men that are female chauvinists or outrageous sycophants out there. I can give them guarded praise for getting involved and yet be more than a little repulsed by their sycophancy and obsequiousness.

And that is coming from a dude that thinks the States is insane because all 50 states have not ratified the Equal Pay Act. There are a few legitimate beefs women have among all their histrionics.

[+]Thaway1111222222 points 9 years ago [recovered] (14 children) | Copy Link

I was thinking about going downtown to take a poll of attending men to see what percentage of attending men had the ability to change a tire. Alas, I could probably predict the results and found something more fun to do! Ha!

[+]xemuj points 9 years ago [recovered] (13 children) | Copy Link

you're posting on a men's rights board, you know that right? do you really not see how tying masculinity to ability to change a tire is like, problematic at the very least?

of course you don't. you don't care about men's rights, you just wanna shit on women and feminism, and the men who support them.

same for /u/Consilio_et_Animis

[–]Demonspawn 2 points3 points4 points 9 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

you're posting on a men's rights board, you know that right?

Yep. And social definition of masculinity is not a men's rights issue.

do you really not see how tying masculinity to ability to change a tire is like, problematic at the very least?

Masculine men know how to take care of themselves. I can see how that's problematic if it doesn't apply to you, but I'd suggest fixing yourself rather than whining about standards of masculinity.

Mostly because you're male, not female. Males whining doesn't encourage people to solve problems for them.

[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Changing a tire doesn't neccesarily form a part of 'knowing how to take care of yourself'. It might be something that a particular man needs to do, but it might not. So it's not neccesarily true to say that a man who doesn't know how to change a tire doesn't know how to take care of himself.

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Changing a tire doesn't neccesarily form a part of 'knowing how to take care of yourself'.

Do you drive a vehicle on a near-daily basis?

[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

No, I don't. That is rather the point I was making, not everyone needs to know how to change a tire.

[–]Demonspawn 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Then you are not like the 90% of people who drive daily to commute to work.

[–]double-happiness 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Reckoned to be 76.4% in the US actually (2015).

https://www.census.gov/hhes/commuting/files/2014/acs-32.pdf

57.5% in the UK (2011).

http://webarchive.nationalarchives.gov.uk/20160105160709/http://www.ons.gov.uk/ons/rel/mro/news-release/travel-to-work/census-reveals-details-of-how-we-travel-to-work-in-england-and-wales.html

But yes, I am not like the majority of people who drive daily to commute to work.

[–]Demonspawn 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

My bad. I read my stat wrong:

  • 87 percent of daily trips take place in personal vehicles
  • 91 percent of people commuting to work use personal vehicles

Of course everyone doesn't commute ;)

On your side, you forgot to add the carpoolers to the individual commuters.

[–]Meyright 3 points4 points5 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Sometimes I wish /r/mensrights would censor these right wing trolls, but then I remember that we have decency.

So thanks for calling them out.

[–]PatDiddyHam 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Agreed. You can be MRA w/o feeling the need to piss on women and divide males into 'beta' and "mutthafuckin' ALPHA, baby FUCK YEAH!' Frigging circle jerk of insecurity gtfo.

[–]Consilio_et_Animis 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Calm down dear. Don't get your knickers in a twist. 😜

[+]Thaway1111222222 points 9 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah really, calm down. Would you prefer that I quiz feminist couples on relationship dynamics? Maybe see if these guys are allowed to have hobbies of their own? Maybe see if any of these guys have ever been taken to the family court cleaners? I could have done all of these things, but spent the time bonding with my son instead. You are as bad as a SJW.

[–]PatDiddyHam 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Wow- u know ONE couple and base an entire world view off of that? Doesn't that come off as overly simplistic?

[+]konous -6 points-5 points-4 points 9 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Thank fuck. I was really getting dissapointed in the MRM for not at least celebrating or trying to help out with this. Seriously, how do we account for being MRA's if we're not also WRA's? Trump's actions removing the LGBTQ site affects the rights of gay and bisexual men across America. We should be a part of this, not avoiding talking about it like the plague.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 9 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Seriously, how do we account for being MRA's if we're not also WRA's?

So you're suggesting I once again supply the majority of my empathy and support towards women's rights knowing full well that none of them are ever going to give one-tenth of support for rights related to men?

You know how many times I've heard, day in and day out, how much women need support? Ad Nauseum. Meanwhile, I find very little equal support for my situation as a man everytime I go out and seek it.

I'm tired of being rendered invisible all the time. These women's marches, while I don't mind them happenning, have full societal support along with their issues. Me, I just have to grin and bear my situation and pray that I don't end up offing myself. That's how mentally spent I have become.

[–]konous 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Ya know what? No matter how mentally spent you are, it doesn't change the fact that if you want social progress for yourself, you have to support the social progress of others.

If you're tried of fighting for social justice, then stop calling yourself an MRA. Be a disgruntled man, talk about how disgruntled you are, and maybe turn your perspective around after a bit of discussion with other people, but you're not going to convince anyone or get anywhere in life with that attitude.

1/10 of the empathy isn't that great I won't lie, but it's better than nothing, mate, and frankly, with asshats like Trump continuing to fuck over women, we can't really be surprised that girls don't feel like helping us, since they're too worried they're gonna have the right to their bodies taken away.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

If you're tried of fighting for social justice, then stop calling yourself an MRA.

How about I call myself an MRA and can do whatever I want without tone police like you writing me up all the time?

And as for your opinion that one tenth of the empathy is better than nothing...sorry, that won't do anymore. Asking me to direct all my empathy in one direction knowing full well there is hardly any empathy in the other is a waste of time. This has been happening for decades, not a recent development like you've been lead to believe, Mate.

[–]konous 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Then you will accomplish nothing.

Also, I'm not telling you to change your tone of voice, Mate. I'm telling you to give a damn because otherwise there's no fucking point in anyone giving a damn about you.

If you want to be a selfish prick, go ahead. No one will mourn you, or the plight of men.

You have to give empathy to get it back. Be the better man, and if you can't, then yes, stop calling yourself an MRA, because you're just a bitter fuck venting on the tubes, and not actually accomplishing anything, except cementing the image in the eyes of other people that we're all a bunch of bitter fucks like you.

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 9 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Listen, you holier-than-thou prick, I've given my empathy ALL OF MY LIFE.

You don't get to decide whether I'm an MRA or not. I will continue to support Men's Rights. Meanwhile, you can go launch yourself into the sun. I'm not going anywhere no matter how many times you play the dictator.

So fuck off.

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