Men apologising for their own existing... Advice?

mgtowolf · 2019-04-26T04:11:10+00:00

You can be supportive, and give affirmations, but ultimately, only you can break your own brainwashing. And only if you have to have the will to do so. It does help to have good supportive people for sure though.

Males are being taught from a young age, through media, and even worse shit authority figures such as teachers, that they are flawed. It's like the same shit religions use with original sin to keep people feeling like shit and thinking that they need said religion and the correct god to fix it, or it's only going to get worse, ending up in eternal torment.

Jackson2615 · 2019-04-26T05:35:48+00:00

Men , especially young men in western are constantly being told that they are dumb, and whose opinion is not valid, wanted or valued. Such is the level of discrimination and abuse that young men are now actually believing this sort of thing. I don't think stats, and facts will unscramble their thinking that they have been bombarded with negativity for years. These 2 sound very badly affected. I suggest you continue to be a role model of tolerance. Encourage them to express a view or opinion on the most basic things, then work up to more significant issues on which you seek their views. I guess your re-training them to think and express themselves while restoring their self esteem.

Foundthisinthetoilet · 2019-04-26T08:33:32+00:00

I once spent a weekend at Lund university, and it was a troubling experience. It was during an election and it was so odd watching the young men and seeing how they seemed to have no opinion to offer on anything. It was like it was not their place to have an opinion on anything.

You already did a lot just by telling them that they’re allowed to have an opinion. That will stick with them. Gender/race switching like you did is a really good approach. All you can do is put a few cracks in the foundations of their beliefs about themselves, you can’t go in with a wrecking ball and knock down an ideology.

Warren Farrell talking about the boy crisis and Jordan Peterson are probably the best gateways for them.

Zentos_06 · 2019-04-26T10:10:37+00:00

I hope canada doesn’t become like that...usually here people just don’t give a damn about things like that and just don’t discuss that kind of thing but this kind of white-hating stuff is spreading quickly in the first world...

Lethn · 2019-04-26T11:16:44+00:00

You live in a hard left shithole and a self-segregated community, this is not the norm. It may sound harsh but I suspect a lot of these people who are spewing this stuff are far too indoctrinated already to have feminist conditioning broken at least within the area you're in at the moment.

I will recommend the best thing you can do is get out of there, alternatively if you can't and your stuck for now take weekend trips to other parts of the country that are less left wing ( Not sure if that's an option in Sweden given how left wing it is ) or alternatively you could actually travel to places like Poland for mini-holidays.

This type of thing has been great for me and you'd be surprised at how much attitudes change, it's also much easier to make real friends because you're not having to walk on eggshells constantly and avoid certain topics for fear of inciting a mob.

I can't stress enough how abnormal these self-segregated communities are especially in university, mini-holidays are a great way to discover new places and get away from it all. Considering you're in Sweden I think that going to Poland might be an idea and you could even make that part of a short term goal if you want to get a job etc. and earn money.

I'm pretty impressed you can tell feminism is genuine brainwashing I don't think you being a woman has anything to do with it, another bullshit feminist narrative. If anything the more women speak out against feminism and confront these stupid ideological fanatics the more they lose power because they claim to represent you and speak for you.

Be warned though, if you are a woman who dares to openly confront feminism and avoid it you will definitely have a lot of people turn on you.

Tailtappin · 2019-04-26T12:33:02+00:00

Send him right here for starters. Everything he needs to get his brain back in order exists in the endless conversations this sub has hosted. Even if his English isn't very good, he can get the gist of most of what's going on simply by running it through translation software.

He doesn't have to think he's better than anybody but neither should he ever feel the need to apologize for actions taken against people who are all dead to people who were never offended by him in any way or suffered in any way at his hands.

Frankly, it's saddening to think that your nation has been reduced to this.

Men-Are-Human · 2019-04-26T12:13:22+00:00

You could ask him to list actual male privlages, and counter each one with a female privlage. Debunk them if you can. For example: "men live shorter lives and are 90% of the homeless."

AskingToFeminists · 2019-04-26T13:45:23+00:00

Ave you heard of street epistemology ? If not, you should look into it. A good place to start is Anthony Magnabosco's YouTube channel.

The idea is to help people think through their conditioning with gentle socratic questioning.

The idea is basically to ask "why do you believe that ? Is that a good reason to belief anything ?"

It goes surprisingly good results. Not in the sense that the person then suddenly exclaim "I was wrong!", but by initiating a process of reflection. It's usually a good place to stop questioning when the person say something along the lines of "I hadn't thought of that" or "maybe that's not a good reason".

Anthony, and many others, have had plenty of discussions with people, some who were very heavily fundamentalist religious, only to hear back from them a year later where they said "that 5mn talk put me on a path of reflection, and now I'm no longer a believer.

The method first came from a book by Peter Boghosian : "a manual for creating atheists". That's the same guy that did the massive hoaxes on feminist academia, and in it he talks also about how it can be used on all kind of ideologues, included feminists. But since then, it has been refined by a community of people practicing it and honing their skills in peaceful and gentle inquiry. There is a Facebook group that welcome people wanting to try the method.

For the case of your friend who say "I'm a white privileged man, I can't speak about that", you can ask questions about why he thinks that he can't have an opinion. Andrey to unpack it. One of the key is to try to avoid pointed questions, and beyond everything else, resist the urge to offer a counter argument to slap some sense into that fool.

The discussion must not be about why he's wrong and you're right, but about how he came to conclusions and why he thinks that's a good way to reach those conclusions. The goal is for you to be able to understand why he concluded that according to him, and to help him reflect on that process with him. You are a friend on a similar journey, walking with him, following his lead, but wondering where you should go next, and isn't it dangerous to go in that path, not a guide to take him somewhere you know is safe, whatever he thinks about it.

One very useful tool is the "outsider's test for faith", basically "if someone else used that same method, and reached a different conclusion, would that be right ?" ( "I believe in Jesus because of miracles. If a Hindu believes in their gods because of miracles, does that mean their gods are real ? If not, then are miracle claims a good way to reach conclusions ?". "A man can't see his own privilege because privilege blinds you to itself. If privilege blinds you to itself, then aren't women blind to their own privileges too ?)

qp0n · 2019-04-26T15:03:52+00:00

Tell him he is not a 'white man' he is an individual and a person.

eldred2 · 2019-04-26T17:24:17+00:00

To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize. --Voltaire

If your opinions are being suppressed, then you are not privileged.

WalmartMike · 2019-04-26T13:10:04+00:00

What can you do? Well you can be honest about your own opinions, barring they are overtly damaging, and you can encourage him to do the same. I think a lot of it comes from parents to be honest. I was raised by a single whites female, and she spent most of my child hood telling me how great men are and how they’ve built things and invented things. A mans idea of his own value is often in direct correlation with what he can offer the world. If he’s being told that he’s stupid because he’s a man and that he’s vile and a rapist and he should feel guilty, that’s exactly what he’s going to think.

Just do for him what men have been doing for women for, literally, thousands of years; tell him he’s good enough.

Chrisfish11 · 2019-04-27T00:12:41+00:00

Wish more people shared your mindset.

EricAllonde · 2019-04-26T04:29:07+00:00

The best thing you can do is be a positive counterexample for those poor eunuchs. Just standing up as a confident, unapologetic man who rejects the shame which feminists try to pin on you, will make a huge difference to them.

DiogenesOfNike · 2019-04-26T12:45:16+00:00

Free will indeed does not exist, and if it was said in a philosophical context it makes perfect sense and I wouldn't deem it inappropriate.

BramblEdge · 2019-04-26T23:56:24+00:00

Vilka fördelar menar 20-åringen att han innehar till följd av sitt kön?

xNOM · 2019-04-27T10:20:19+00:00

Is there anything I can do to break this brainwash?

Take real university-level statistics course
Take a real uni-level biology course which includes evolution.
Take a behavioral psychology course not infected by feminism.
Learn about the world. Stop lying. Never apologize for stating facts.

throwaway__04848 · 2019-05-01T13:20:28+00:00

They are a product of the new world order

SoloRich · 2019-04-26T04:17:13+00:00

You are precious..that you havent bought into so much of the feminazi brainwashing is so refreshing to see. Yes some amount of feminism is necessary and appropriate..but these days much of it is toxic or what i csll feminazism

Title	Men apologising for their own existing... Advice?
Author	LadyD_91
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Date	April 26, 2019 3:14 AM UTC (7 years ago)
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