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January 18, 2013

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Title	Old 4chan thread i found on my comp, comprehensive list of MR issues and double standards etc.
Author	13e1ieve
Upvotes	153
Comments	28
Date	January 18, 2013 7:25 AM UTC (13 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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[–]FahQ5711 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

[–]BioGenx2b31 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Probably some typos, fixed a few grammar issues but may have missed a few. Holler and I'll edit as needed.

Edit: GOOOOO LD! :D

edit 2: That downvoter must be angry. Still, transcribing is fun. Now, go for genderswap!

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Why is it that women complain when men leave the toilet seat up, but men don't complain when women leave it down?

Why do women complain about men that only want one thing, but men don't complain about women that want everything?

Why do women have the choice between abortion, adoption, dropping an unwanted baby off at a hospital, raising the child with a father, or raising the child without a father, but the only choice men have is to agree?

Why do women dress in makeup, short skirts, bare midriffs, and low-cut blouses but complain about men that stare at them?

Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men?

If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody?

Why do we have a violence Against Women Act but nothing for men when women cause domestic violence just as often as men?

Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman - won't the man be in more pain?

Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over?

Why is a man a wimp if he lets his wife beat up on him but a criminal if he defends himself?

Why does women's health get much more attention when men die about seven years younger than women?

Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women's rights and never promote men's rights?

Why is it sexist to have clubs for only men but empowering to have them for only women?

If women only make 72 cents for the same work where a man earns a dollar, why don't companies hire only women and put the competition out of business?

How do police know who to arrest when there is a domestic disturbance involving lesbians?

Why do married women complain that their husbands don't want to change a baby's diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can't take care of a child?

Why do men that don't pay child support go to prison but nothing ever happens to women that don't allow visitation?

If women-in-the-military is such a good thing, why don't they have to register for the draft?

Why are we so concerned about girls under-performing buys in math and science but not concerned about boys under-performing girls in everything else?

Why do fathers have to pay the mother to take his children away from him in divorce?

Why is it legal for women to lie to men about who the father of a baby is to get child support, but a crime if she tells the same lie to the government to get Social Security or military benefits?

Why do women have to prove they spent the money on the children when they collect welfare but don't have to do the same when they collect child support?

Why do we have to cut men's sports that have fans to create women's sports that don't?

Why do women tennis players win the same prize money as men when they only play three sets and men play five - isn't that equal pay for less work?

Why is it called sexual freedom when a married woman commits adultery but called cheating when a man does the same?

Why are female murderers presumed to be mentally ill but male murderers presumed to be killers?

Why are there thousands of "father's rights" groups but no "mother's rights" groups?

Why do we have so many fathers groups fighting for more time with their children when there are so many social problems attributed to fatherlessness?

Why do men have to support women at the same standard of living following divorce when women don't even have to cook and clean his new apartment?

If divorced women have it worse than divorced men, why do divorced men commit suicide eight or ten times as much as divorced women?

Why do we pretend that men walk out on their wives and children when women initiate about eighty percent of divorces?

Why is it considered sexist to have a couple of television shows geared towards men when there are several channels catering only to women?

Why are television moms always portrayed as wonderful and loving and television dads always portrayed as inept buffoons?

Why is it politically incorrect to say anything negative about women but funny to put men down?

Why are women without a job considered to be exercising free choice but men without a job considered a bum?

Why do feminists demand that women be equally represented in high paying and powerful jobs but don't complain when low-paying, dirty, and dangerous jobs remain mostly done by men?

Why do we have to say "Chairperson" and "Congressperson" but its ok to say "garbage man" and "bad guy"?

Why do we always hear the phrase "innocent women and children" but never hear about "innocent men" or "men and children"?

Why do news headlines use the terns "student", "spouse", or "parent" when a girl or woman, or mother does something wrong but use the terms "boy", "husband", or "father" when a boy, man, or father does something wrong?

Why do feminists demand equal results for traditionally male roles but object to equal or shared parenting after divorce?

Why does the term "angry mother" sound like someone that needs our help and support and the term "angry father" sound like someone that needs to be arrested and forced into anger management classes?

Why is it that when men are more successful than women it's because women are oppressed, but when woman are more successful than men it's because men are lazy?

Why are only women free to criticize other women without being labeled anti-women, but both men and women are free to criticize men?

Why are feminists pushing for laws that prevent new laws from being passed that protect men from women, such as with domestic violence against men, false allegations by women, or paternity fraud?

Why is it that when a woman accuses a man of rape, the man's name is made public and he is presumed guilty, but when he is proven innocent the woman remains anonymous and the man is still ruined?

Why is it considered woman-hating or whining to point it out when woman have something better than men, but we rush to pass new laws if men might have something better than women?

Why is it that we've had forty years and billions of dollars going into women's rights and men's responsibilities, but it's taboo in most circles to even suggest that maybe it's time to consider men's rights and women's responsibilities a little bit for a change?

If those who always side with women are feminists and those who always side with men are chauvinists, why don't we have a wing of a political party and billions in funding going to chauvinists when we have that for feminists?

For those who believe men had it better than women in the past and believe now it's time for women to have it better than men for a while, why don't they advocate whites being forced into slavery to blacks?

Why are men considered more privileged than women with so many double standards against men?

But WAIT! there's moar!

If you put a woman on a pedestal and try to protect her from the rat race, you're a male chauvinist pig.

If you stay at home and do the housework, you're a pansy.

If you work too hard, there never is time for her. If you don't work enough, you're a good for nothing bum.

If she has a boring repetitive job with low pay, it's exploitation. If you have a boring repetitive job with low pay, you should get off your rear and find something better.

If you get a promotion ahead of her, it's favoritism. If she gets a job ahead of you, it's equal opportunity.

If you mention how nice she looks, it's sexual harassment. If you keep quiet its male indifference.

If you cry, you're a wimp. If you don't, you're insensitive.

If you make a decision without consulting her, you're a chauvinist. If she makes a decision without consulting you, she's a liberated woman.

If you ask her to do something she doesn't enjoy, that's domination. If she asks you, it's a favor.

If you appreciate the female form, and frilly underwear, you are a pervert. If you don't, you're gay.

If you like a woman to shave her legs and keep in shape, you're sexist. If you don't you're unromantic.

If you try to keep yourself in shape, you're vain. If you don't, you're a slob.

If you buy her flowers, you're after something. If you don't, you're not thoughtful.

If you're proud of your achievements, you're full of yourself. If you're not, you have no ambition.

If she has a headache, she's tired. If you have a headache, you're gay.

If you want it too often, you're oversexed. If you don't you're gay.

[–]BioGenx2b4 points 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

the hilarious irony is that feminists are now becoming chauvinist and demanding double standards rather than equality while their hypocritical ideology comes back to bite them in the ass.

1. they want equality and independence, but still demand the men pay for everything. In fact, the whole idea of men paying for everything 60 years ago was because women would repay the men in other ways (not sex) such as cooking a nice big meal in thanks for all those free dinners and drinks, as well as doing other things for him. Since 'equality' doing all that for men is sexist and stone-age... funny how only the woman's part was deemed bad and had to be removed huh?

2. strippers and hookers use sex to empower themselves, but getting off on it makes men pigs. Feminists are shocked at slut-culture and scream that more feminism is needed to fix it. What they don't realize is that feminism caused it; women being sexually liberated meant screwing guys and being promiscuous to the point where they are viewed as sex objects.

3. typical female interests are now elevated as 'enlightened' or 'right' and typical male interests females don't understand are sexist, barbaric, immature, and used to describe the 'typical male'

4. work is a fun past-time that you can choose to do until you get bored and expect a man to be there to fund your early retirement (read: Sit at home watching TV). Women expect to have fun and screw around while making careers the most important thing, but then become bitter, used up middle-aged businesswomen desperate for a man to fulfill her biological clock only to discover men don't want them as much anymore. They then of course, blame men for not wanting them and berate them because suddenly they don't conform to their spinster whims. Work is choice for women, and an obligation for men.

5. In relationships, women are bi-polar; they want the traditional male to make them feel safe, secure, and provide, but at their discretion they snap at men for doing just that when they feel like being 'strong and independent'. They want men to do all the dirty-work and manual labor and other traditional male roles, but god help the poor bastard that asks "What's for dinner, love?", because asking women to do anything is sexist and slavery.

6. Men are still blamed for everything and women possess no accountability; in a Time Magazine study, 40% of married women admitted to cheating on their spouse, but 80% felt it was justified. That's right, it's their man's fault when they sleep around on them, but it would never be allowed as an excuse the other way around.

over 9000. Women want to turn men into women, and some metrosexuals are the result, but when they whine about 'where have all the real men gone' when they don't feel like changing a flat tire in the rain. Welcome to liberation, bitches, now get your ass to work and don't expect prince charming to do it for you.

8. There's a double standard with the justice system; Women pedophiles and child molesters are glorified and given slaps on the wrist, but when men are involved with similar consenting situation with minors, they're labeled guilty at even an accusation, and people would gleefully crucify them. Those same people jerk off to teachers sleeping with 12 year old buys. Women can also falsely accuse men of rape or child abuse and not face any penalties. "I'm sorry, I have a VAGINA, can I leave now?"

9. Men are supposed to work to keep a woman happy in a relationship, putting her feelings first, sacrifice and go out of their way; The idea of women doing all that for a man is considered sexist and 'patriarchal slavery'. In fact, there's nothing that women offer men anymore to even make men want to marry them in the first place, it's all about what the woman gets out of it and how HER needs are met. They have no desire to learn domestic arts and are proud of it, and the prospect of eventual divorce means a man loses his money and kids makes men reject the idea of marriage even more, yet women still don't get it and write countless articles on how 'immature man-boys' don't want to commit to their middle-aged self, berating men for enjoying hobbies and freedom just as the women did before they felt entitled to a good man when they get the 'baby rabies'.

10. Women who don't want to hear the truth respond to this kind of discussion with "can't get laid" or "small PENIS" remarks

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tl;dr my fingers are tired

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[–]Ragark1 point 13 years ago [recovered] | Copy Link

Here's how this is going to go down

I provide a source of some kind, you'll either call it feminist propaganda, revisionist history, or how men were also persecuted at the time.

But for the sake of arguments: http://ancientstandard.com/2011/02/23/the-role-of-concubines-in-the-ancient-world/

Here's a quote on wikipedia's page for sexual objectification: The objection to the objectification of women is not a recent phenomenon. In the French Enlightenment, for example, there was a debate as to whether a woman's breasts were merely a sensual enticement or rather a natural gift. In Alexandre Guillaume Mouslier de Moissy's 1771 play The True Mother (La Vraie Mère), the title character rebukes her husband for treating her as merely an object for his sexual gratification: "Are your senses so gross as to look on these breasts – the respectable treasures of nature – as merely an embellishment, destined to ornament the chest of women?"

Now, if you want to argue that feminism has increased sexual objectification, hell some feminist would be happy to claim that woman can express their sexuality so freely due to it, then that is a good idea to talk about. But saying women(not to mention men) haven't been sexually objectified for a long time is ignorant at best, and purposeful revisionism at worst.

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Why do we pretend that men are the ones that abuse children when it is a well-known fact that women abuse children more than men?

Not well known

If single mothers have it so bad, why do women initiate about eighty percent of divorces and routinely commit perjury to win custody?

Eighty percent is an awfully round number

Why is it funny when a woman kicks a man in the groin but terrible if a man did the same to a woman - won't the man be in more pain?

Subjective

Why is it terrible for a woman to be raped once but funny when male prisoners get raped over and over?

Who says thats funny wtf

Why do we complain about legislators being mostly male when they always promote women's rights and never promote men's rights?

Multiple generalisations

Why do married women complain that their husbands don't want to change a baby's diaper but divorced women say their ex-husbands can't take care of a child?

Stereotypes, generalisations

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Actually I'm done with this. I only got half way through the second list, its utter drivel. My problem with these boil down to that they are opinions conveyed as fact. They are using stereotypes and generalisations to reinforce stereotypes and generalisations.

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Probably some typos, fixed a few grammar issues but may have missed a few. Holler and I'll edit as needed.

Edit: G<sup>O</sup><sup>O</sup><sup>O</sup><sup>O</sup><sup>O</sup> LD! :D

tl;dr my fingers are tired