"Paternity can be uncertain. But checking it is surely odd" -title of guardian article

pahncrd · 2011-02-16T23:51:55+00:00

It's a lot about fairness. A woman gets to know 100% that her child is hers. Men deserve the same privilege. The days of wanton cuckolding need to end. Women can still make their reproductive choices, but at no point should they get to sponge a man's time, love, attention and money while keeping up the utterly false pretense of passing on his seed.

Unlike most, I do not see dishonesty to be a healthy part of love or relationships. The very second that a person decides to do something like this, they are choosing their own selfish needs over that of the person they supposedly love, and frankly, the point of true love is to put someone else before oneself (or at least on the same level).

Paternity fraud is truly one of the most disgusting crimes of larceny around. Not only does the perp steal a man's attention, time and money, she steals his dignity.

nomowolf · 2011-02-16T20:49:03+00:00

My friend sent me this article... this was my response:

I've read often that if a man is raising a child (personally or financially) that is not his without being aware of the fact, well... "so what?". These are articles invariably written by a certain type of pseudo-liberal female hypocrite who can't marry logic with her gut reaction. Yes sure adoptive parents etc... it's not all about genetic code. I'd agree with that, it's about consent. Personally I don't think I'd have a problem raising another person's child. I would consider it (WITHOUT QUESTION) necessary that I be aware of this fact... secondarily so I could prepare and protect myself legally (have rights as guardian etc.). These tests would help facilitate me exercise my rights as a human to have a choice over my own destiny. As it is men have effectively zero reproductive rights: "I don't want a child" ... "Tough, I do, here's 20+ years of financial burden". Okay I'm going to quickly move away from that line of thought before I start regan-smashing the keyboard with abandon.

To the article:

"but you know what I mean: it's a little bit like if they decided to sell poppers."... "At the moment the test, Assuredna, connotes the same peeping sleaziness as that dust you can buy to check if anyone's been shagging in your bed"

This only outlines the author's personal discomfort with the idea of them becoming normalised. Personally I see them as nothing like this, rather more in the realm of pregnancy tests, condoms and other reproductive checks and balances. There is a huge difference between spying on your child or spouse to see if they're having sex and taking adequate precaution from being defrauded of 100,000s of euros as well as the possibility of untold emotional distress. And all of this in lieu of legal right and recourse. On the one hand you have the possibility of a ruined life, on the other a little bit of embarrassment. It's a pretty duh choice. Will her next article be about not getting STD checks cos you should unconditionally trust your sexual partners?

In Kansas now, there is a bill going to the floor which would mandate obligatory paternity tests for all births. It removes all "trust" stigmas this lady harping on about. I hope it gets through... it could be the start of something beautiful in terms of male liberation, it's just a real disappointment it couldn't start somewhere more liberal. It's ironic how gender advocacy is so hopelessly unbalanced.

"What are companies even going to do with the samples? Assuredna say they incinerate them, but there are no legal guarantees "

Irrelevant fear mongering. It's like saying t-shirts are evil because XYZ company employs child labour to make their t-shirts.

"It doesn't need to be serviced with DNA check-ups, it simply exists. And while some of us might be wrong in that trust, most of us are right.

The possibility of getting pregnant or getting a disease during an unprotected one night stand is pretty slim. There is no need use contraception because this is a fact. And while some people might be unlucky, most of us will be fine.

"I personally ceased to associate Boots with respectability when they moved their tax affairs to Zug,

Ad hominem argument.

The real notorieties of this book are its views on rape (actively sought by the woman as a way of testing the fighting spirit of the man) and on homosexuality (doesn't really exist).

Ad hominem argument.

She's kowtowing to her bred instinct, attempting to rationalise what can't be rationalised in a modern egalitarian context. It's the analogue of men's "spreading their seed" instinct as it is to women having multiple sets of sperm in their vag battling it out in a form of pre-fertilisation fitness selection, so that her male progeny will have an upper hand in similar processes. This is of course delicately balanced with keeping a man around and necessitates stealth or manipulation if one wants to successfully cuckold. I need look no further than my own extended family. My brother is perhaps not what one might describe as "father-material", but he's tall and manly, physically strong, healthy, fertile etc. ie he's got fitness. Now I have a certain reserved respect for his daughter's mother. Okay so apart from the whole taking advantage of my brother's trustfulness to be whoops... "careless" with contraception (she's not one that would strike you as careless with anything) then breaking up with him once she had what she wanted. She at least openly bows to her nature doing it (mostly) in an above board manner with no apologies or reservations. She's a good mother too and my niece will be raised with a decent, stable and aggressive start in life. Anyway, after she left my brother she immediately got engaged to her ex boyfriend... if you met him you'd know what I mean. He's the most congenial eastern european man you'll ever know, he's got caring eyes and soft mannerisms. He's thin (almost jaundiced looking) undemanding and currently the main care-giver to my niece. i.e. a house-husband. The contrast between himself and my brother, both in stature and character, were so startling as to cause me to grin madly upon seeing them meet. My brothers comment of "well... at least I know I could beat him up if I had to" sealed the deal.

RollerDoll · 2011-02-16T23:18:49+00:00

I am a woman and am totally in favor of over-the-counter paternity tests. It protects both men and women.... a man could make sure a woman wasn't cheating if she insisted the baby was his, and a woman would be able to get child support from someone who was disputing paternity.

This is sad in the same way that pre-nups are sad... but it's protection, plain and simple. I don't think it prevents people from trusting each other; no one has to use one if they trust their partner.

Title	"Paternity can be uncertain. But checking it is surely odd" -title of guardian article
Author	nomowolf
Upvotes	10
Comments	10
Date	February 16, 2011 8:45 PM UTC (15 years ago)
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