Pay gap explanation by Vox

Flavius_Stilicho · 2016-08-02T19:50:40+00:00

"The gender gap in pay would be considerably reduced and might even vanish if firms did not have an incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who worked long hours and worked particular hours."

Swiggy · 2016-08-02T20:36:19+00:00

Closing the wage gap means making jobs work differently.

If the wage gap is caused by men working more hours then it is not a problem that needs to be "closed".

-_-I-_-I-_- · 2016-08-02T20:14:33+00:00

the best way to tackle the wage gap is by implementing policies that make all hours equally valuable

I've never seen a more dystopian, dangerous, and downright frightening statement.

Imthere · 2016-08-03T08:25:58+00:00

Women get paid like men when doing mens work.

Mothers work less, and don't get paid to be mothers.

Those two sound bites explain the wage gap in a way that's memorable, and hopefully easy for feminists to understand.

AlwaysABride · 2016-08-02T21:07:08+00:00

So long as she’s getting the work done, her supervisors will think she’s doing a good job.

Yes. Full Stop.

The author uses that statement to explain why the "wage gap" in business (standard hours) is greater than in science (set your own hours).

But you don't need to parse the statement. The statement is true of all employees, of all genders, in all industries, regardless of standard or flexible schedules: So long as she’s getting the work done, her supervisors will think she’s doing a good job.

That's the end of the story. Supervisors don't really care about the specific hours you work, the number of hours you work, your gender, your haircut, your attitude; all they care about is whether or not your doing the work you were hired to do (and more broadly, whether or not you bring more value to the business than you cost).

splodgenessabounds · 2016-08-03T09:14:13+00:00

The highest-paying jobs disproportionately reward those who can work the longest, least flexible hours...These types of job penalize workers who have caregiving responsibilities outside the workplace. Those workers tend to be women.

This would approximate to a reasonable description of the way things actually are, were it not for two words: "disproportionately " and "penalize". These are weasel words, words that seem to be merely descriptive but which are actually unnecessary, emotive and pejorative.

Don't believe me? Read the text again, but delete the word "disproportionately". Then it becomes "The highest-paying jobs reward those who can work the longest, least flexible hours" which is simply a statement of fact (and I should bloody well hope it is too).

Without the catchword "disproportionately", the allegation that it's (mostly) women being "penalized" becomes highly questionable - since it's simply a matter of rewarding those who work the longest, least flexible hours, there is merely a reward not a penalty and thus no-one is being penalized.

Remember also: when a woman is off work and at home looking after the baby or young children, someone needs to be out there doing as much overtime and working as many unsocial hours as possible to bring the bacon home. Guess whose job that is? (rhetorical). Guess who cops the boo! unfair! Muh WAGE GAP!! Patriarchy!!! blame? (rhetorical).

iHeartCandicePatton · 2016-08-02T18:25:24+00:00

Well, that's surprising to see from Vox

thrway_1000 · 2016-08-02T18:48:42+00:00

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IMPatrickH · 2016-08-02T19:53:00+00:00

I've been trying to make a strong economic argument for paid paternal leave with respect to closing the gender wage gap over on this articles cross post in /r/economics since yesterday:

https://www.reddit.com/r/Economics/comments/4vny6w/the_truth_about_the_gender_wage_gap/

I wasn't too aware of /r/mensrights before seeing that this article was posted over here but I think that what I've been advocating for, economically, is of interest to the subscribers of this sub.

Archibald_Andino · 2016-08-02T22:33:42+00:00

It fascinates me how these articles always compare the averages and not a true apples to apples comparison. They know they are diliberately misleading to promote their agenda because no one would really care if they said the truth, "equally qualified women are paid ~$.97 for every dollar a man earns, the difference is likely due to negotiations".

UndecidedThrownaway · 2016-08-03T02:13:11+00:00

I saw this because based Milo posted it on Facebook, Vox needs to be quick to correct the record because people are seeing this garbage HAHAH

eixan · 2016-08-03T10:02:24+00:00

As Goldin put it in her speech, "The gender gap in pay would be considerably reduced and might even vanish if firms did not have an incentive to disproportionately reward individuals who worked long hours and worked particular hours."

This right here is why people accuse the feminism of being a socialist movement. I hear hear this shit coming out of people's mouth as if it'says cheque. Why the fucking hel should companies subsidize your childcare choices?

Yes I realize that the article does argue later that women are exspected to do more childcare. But this sentence is clearly judging these companies for wanting workers who work more flexible hours

grasshopa · 2016-08-02T18:17:20+00:00

Great article.

_deathvader_ · 2016-08-02T18:23:14+00:00

Maybe all the stick figure drawings will finally help these feminists understand the "wage gap".

Title	Pay gap explanation by Vox
Author	James32015
Upvotes	21
Comments	59
Date	August 2, 2016 6:04 PM UTC (10 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
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