Read an article by this guy on front page of /r/programming, loved it, looked for more, found this anti-MGTOW article

Lobstermansunion · 2014-04-30T12:36:32+00:00

*I recommend reading the site's disclaimer before taking this guy seriously. He's one of those people who picks on society's easy targets "teenagers, vegans, republicans, libertarians, hippies, christians, people who care about shit, militant atheists, hipsters, snobs, new yorkers, mainers, texans" in order to sound edgy.

I find it remarkable how upset MGTOW makes some people. Since the beginning of time there have been people who abstain from sex, relationships, social norms, and heavy taxation (how is this one even bad?). MGTOW just organizes these people into a specific group and disseminates information to people who make those personal choices. Consider the fact that some of history's greatest people, like Nikola Tesla, were indeed anti-social. Hell, plenty of historical figures died virgins. Its funny how we're seeing all these freedom movements like fat rights, gay rights, women's right, but if men dare to reject shitty social norms (created by advertisers and politicians to further their own causes) then those men need to be shamed. Someone deciding to live within their means, not have kids, not go out on dates, and not respect social norms in no way shape or form harms you. No one needs to lead their lives under your standards.

nigglereddit · 2014-04-30T12:08:47+00:00

Very interesting article.

It's fascinating just how angry MGTOW makes some people. What they're doing has no real effect at all on the author (in fact the whole aim of the movement is precisely to have as little involvement as possible with people who oppose or are not benefical to you), yet look how furious he is about it:

You don't have to dig very deep to find Men Being Angry Because They Don't Know How to Talk To Women

open, misogynistic hatred

There is absolutely no way the person who started this movement didn't do it right after a messy divorce.

you're a coward

a weaselly little backstabbing coward

"I hate women because they didn't give me enough sex or took my kids or didn't shut up when I beat them" territory.

I just don't hang out with FUCKING RAPISTS.

I'm taking my toys and going home

a whiny asshole running off into the woods where nobody has to listen to him anymore

And of course, the irony: MGTOW is exactly about this kind of anger, which comes flooding out whenever a man says that he wants to live for himself and not other people. It proves completely that MGTOW are correct.

DavidByron2 · 2014-04-30T16:00:46+00:00

Feeeeeel the HATE!

Yeah someone has a real emotional problem there and it's not the MGTOWs.

shaurz · 2014-04-30T14:49:09+00:00

I'm frequently disappointed by the political opinions of software developers whose work I admire.

toblotron · 2014-04-30T12:32:10+00:00

He does seem to be quoting some pretty upsettingly misogynist stuff from MGTOW forums - unless he's being dishonest with quotations;

This is right above the headline, "There are new girls coming every day. Hundreds of them," which, wait for it, is met by "see, all women are whores, this is the best use for them anyway."

Not familiar with MGTOW, myself, but I don't think "staying away from all people of a certain sexual/ethnic/religious/political group" - for whatever reason - sounds like a healthy idea at all.

I also read his other article in r/programming, and thought it was damn funny. Here he's so liberal with sarcasm and vitrol, though, that it splashes over on anything nearby. Not a constructive article, I think.

shaurz · 2014-04-30T14:03:53+00:00

He attacks a few strawmen and throws around some shaming language such as "awkward", "uneducated", "backstabbing coward" and "fucking rapists". I have never read this manifesto he is referring to before but I don't think it's representative of all people who call themselves MGTOW. It's just one guy's rant.

I also find that there are two completely separate branches of MGTOW - the forum dwellers and the YouTubers. He seems to be mostly attacking the former, since they're easier targets. I think that forums attract a certain type of character and behaviour and I try to avoid them whenever possible myself. Certainly there are misogynists that frequent such forums, but he seems intent on attacking the messenger and ignoring the message.

He also seems to take great offence that men might chose not to live a traditional lifestyle of dating women, having children and working himself to death. What's the problem? Why such a closed attitude to alternative lifestyles?

He also assumes all MGTOW are bitter divorcees and misogynists. He might be surprised to learn that many MGTOW are young men who have not been personally wronged by a women, have never married or had children, and are just making a rational decision based on risk analysis, personal preferences and their own life goals.

I don't think anybody denies that MGTOW is reactionary. It does seem to lack an endgame or goal, other than to free individuals, although there are some men discussing surrogacy and artificial reproduction technology (since MGTOW would otherwise be self-defeating in evolutionary terms).

Maybe he will change his tune if one of the women he sleeps with in the future turns out to be crazy (eventually you will lose Russian roulette if you play it enough).

knowless · 2014-04-30T14:38:28+00:00

Nothing of merit to address.

phySi0 · 2014-04-30T12:21:39+00:00

I agree that safeguarding yourself against betrayal is cowardice and should be avoided, but don't leave it at that. If you're betrayed, you're mistreated and have done nothing wrong to provoke it. You're right to punish whoever did that to you. Don't believe in taking the high road. Betrayal without consequences is an invitation for more betrayal. Strike fear in their hearts as those who betray you are your enemies.

This does not mean beating them up, throwing acid in their faces or committing murder. It means pursuing them legally or punishing them however else you can within the confines of the law. People need to know that the more people they slight without any good excuse for doing so, the more will one day be there for them at the most inopportune moment.

Title	Read an article by this guy on front page of /r/programming, loved it, looked for more, found this anti-MGTOW article
Author	phySi0
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Date	April 30, 2014 11:00 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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