'So, who's the extremist here?'

Liam_Banks · 2014-05-30T14:36:34+00:00

For whatever it is worth to you, I find your site to be - by far - the finest example of men's rights advocacy out of the entire movement. I have considered myself an MRA since 2000, and I've read every major site associated with men's rights, from Angry Harry, to Men's News Daily, to AVfM, and many others in between.

Yours is consistently the most well-researched, the most professionally presented, the most adultlike in tone, and the most compelling in its arguments. It's been said so often in this subreddit that it hardly bears repeating, but nevertheless: Feminists are trying desperately to smear CotWA with hysterical buzzwords, wildly inaccurate labels, and misleading association with false flags and malicious trolls because there's no other possible response to the case you make other than concession.

Consider it a compliment to your ability to make arguments, and a tacit recognition of the merits of your position, but above all - please keep doing what you're doing. You have more admirers than you know.

sillymod · 2014-05-30T14:29:57+00:00

I talked to the other mods. We agree that your post/message is important enough to be stickied. I hope people take the time to actually read it.

PierceHarlan · 2014-05-30T14:41:01+00:00

Frankly I consider COTWA to be one of the least aggressive blogs out there addressing issues concerning men's rights. It really is telling how deeply people have fallen into their dogma when they can shamelessly label it as a hate or extremist blog.

tankerton · 2014-05-30T15:08:15+00:00

I don't typically read Men's Rights content outside of reddit. I've been lurking in this community (and many other viewpoints of gender politics to assess their actions for myself) since around Thanksgiving or Christmastime. This type of information is critical for anything meaningful to change about the way we talk to each other. It is a calculated, well cited, and well written piece. The outrage of the claims is taken in turn and is released in a well thought out blog. Many of the posts in /r/MensRights that happen when Men's Rights related issues aren't in the news are anecdotal venting sessions. Reddit is realistically one of the better outlets for less formal venting sessions about being a victim of the injustices that /r/MensRights are sensitive to, but it also garners a lot of attention as the main forum for the group.

Let's hope that more /r/MensRights posters take on the more formal etiquette of your blog on the sub.

You've won at least one new reader with this blog, particularly due to the sticky, and let's hope that this particular blog entry gains some noteworthy readership from those recently interested in gender politics.

thatnewballsmell · 2014-05-30T14:32:30+00:00

I don't follow COTWA as much as I probably should. I do remember a few years after dealing with my own false accusation, coming across the old site on blogspot. Seriously, I wish it had been around a few years sooner. It's incredibly informative and is in no way a "hate" site. Just wanted to personally say thanks for keeping that site going for so long.

2014-05-30T15:46:51+00:00

You are doing amazing work, OP, keep it up.

Grubnar · 2014-05-30T19:19:22+00:00

By the way, whomever popularized the term “rapey” deserves a special place in purgatory.

Indeed!

GnarlesSagan · 2014-05-30T20:13:01+00:00

Labeling things as extremism and hate speech that clearly aren't is a sign that your message is threatening to people. And equality only threatens those who have the power to oppress. Labeling us as extremists and violent people is just their attempt to silence us, and it's just a sign that they're afraid of what equality truly means. Just keep making your points, and do not threaten anyone or use ad hominem attacks and eventually we will be heard. The feminists are making this easy for us by taking their bubble-bred bullshit into mainstream, and they're starting to get shut down (like the trigger warnings on college campus fiasco).

Edit: As someone who was falsely accused, but wasn't charged because her friends caught her lying, I know how devastating a girls words can be. And this was 10 years ago when the problem was less pervasive. I have actually been frequenting your blog for months and I think it's a level-headed response to those who claim that false rape accusations never happen. Never flinch, stand strong and stare the beast in the face, and she will collapse. Keep up the amazing work, and thank you.

totorox · 2014-06-01T10:06:21+00:00

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Valerie_Solanas

According to Robert Marmorstein in 1968, "she has dedicated the remainder of her life to the avowed purpose of eliminating every single male from the face of the earth."

Ti-Grace Atkinson, the New York chapter president of the National Organization for Women (NOW), described Solanas as "the first outstanding champion of women's rights" and as "a 'heroine' of the feminist movement"

"Another NOW member, Florynce Kennedy, called her "one of the most important spokeswomen of the feminist movement."

Norman Mailer called her the "Robespierre of feminism."

So...who's the hate, terrorist group again ?

Legolas-the-elf · 2014-05-30T15:03:51+00:00

With respect, I've seen you post this link a couple of times, and each time, it's been a particularly uninformative headline.

"COTWA was right" and "So, who's the extremist here?" don't say anything useful in isolation and they are easy to overlook. Something like "RAINN and NCHERM, two of the leading authorities on sexual assault and college risk, are now voicing the same concerns that we are" would be much more eye-catching.

Have you gotten in touch with anybody from these organisations? Some kind of official link would boost your credibility significantly.

SarcastiCock · 2014-05-30T15:38:22+00:00

Every article I have read on COTWA is a great example for others to follow. Always a very reasonable viewpoint without descending into hyperbole.

DavidByron2 · 2014-05-30T16:52:00+00:00

I guess I'm not an extremist but I'd aspire to being one. The problem is you're taking on board the feminist "definition" of extremist.

When a feminist uses the word "extremist" they don't mean it the way everyone else does. They don't mean someone who takes the values and ideals of the movement so seriously that they are willing to go the extra mile for it. They don't mean someone who takes the ideology to it's logical extent regardless of social disapproval. They don't mean someone who refuses to compromise if that means giving up their beliefs and the values of the movement. They don't mean someone who will risk being arrested for their beliefs.

They mean someone who opposes the movements goals but pretends to be part of it.

The reason feminists use the word entirely differently is because they have to explain away why their extremists (in the normal sense) publicly hate men. If their extremists hate men, that means the whole movement is about hating men. So feminists have to deny this. So they have a sort of schizophrenia about it. Oh the leaders of our movement (leaders are usually extremists because of their dedication)? Oh the leaders of our movement are all not really part of our movement! Except they are. But they believe totally different things from the movement.

It makes no sense at all but I guess they've said it so often people just believe it.

What would happen if other movements had "extremists" the way feminists claim the word means?

The vegans and vegetarians would be led by people who ate meat or were cannibals.

The NRA would be led by pacifists who hate guns.

And the MRM would be led by people who hate equality or hate women.

It's a simple lie. Feminist extremists mean the same as with any other group. They are people who believe in the ideals of the movement and don't compromise. When feminist extremists -- leaders -- say they hate men, they are saying that is the ideology of feminism in it's purest form.

anunusualname · 2014-05-30T17:22:20+00:00

I know I'm not supposed to leave a comment that just says "awesome" but, "awesome". Keep it up.

2014-05-30T18:51:06+00:00

Keep doing what you do. I'm just here to fight SJWs.

MRSPArchiver · 2014-05-30T13:52:35+00:00

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SwanOfAvon22 · 2014-05-30T17:38:56+00:00

Well-written, lucidly argued and unimpeachably moral. Kudos!

MastaBlasta925 · 2014-05-30T21:10:57+00:00

I also read the open letter from NCHERM that was cited (and recommend it as well), and this is what seems to be unfathomable to people in the extreme of both MRA and Feminists. Most important distinction in the argument that I think defines core MRA beliefs on this particular topic.

"Any person has the right to their autonomy, and the self-determination to claim it if they have been victimized. We cannot give that to them, and we cannot take it away. But, victim’s self-labeling does not make the person they are accusing a perpetrator."

Feeling like you may have been used or taken advantage of is your own right, and nobody should be able to tell anyone else how to feel after a sexual experience. What women, in this argument I mean the vocal majority of feminists in particular, need to come to terms with is that having negative feelings about a sexual act does not make it rape or sexual assault after the fact.

vonthe · 2014-05-31T13:12:42+00:00

The use of victimhood as a weapon has been building for many years. It will take many years to subside. All we can do is push back against it with reason and truth.

You, sir, have done and continue to do that. Keep up the good fight.

LemurTech · 2014-05-31T17:43:15+00:00

It's a superbly informative, well-reasoned, and well-researched blog.

Kelmian · 2014-05-31T02:41:05+00:00

Spray and pray is a useless and inefficient tactic when diagnosing illness or disorder or even characterization of species.

A Case by case basis search is slow process that takes bodies, time, resources, skills. How much data does it take for one human to collect for one to determine a group is a hate group or to make determinations of motives?

There are cognitive limits and declarations have been made without scope.

In Summation: A novice lumberjack goes to a dying tree and sees infestation. In return he burns the whole forest down without checking the health of any other tree.

Title	'So, who's the extremist here?'
Author	PierceHarlan
Upvotes	141
Comments	44
Date	May 30, 2014 1:52 PM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/mensrights/comments/26vhb1/so-whos-the-extremist-here/
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