The abuse excuse

brunt2 · 2012-03-20T17:17:15+00:00

he didn't convince lawmakers with the intoxication argument because it's now deeply political, no longer about logic. Most lawmakers in these areas are feminists as are politicians wanting to win more votes from women. If only men began voting as a group on strictly male rights grounds.

avoiceformen · 2012-03-20T18:54:36+00:00

"Dershowitz also argues against expanding the definition of rape to include intoxication. He points out that, unless the drink was drugged or force-fed to the woman, it wasn’t rape, because while she may not have been in her normal state of mind, she chose to drink the alcohol and is therefore responsible for whatever she did while under its influence."

There is already legal precedent for alcohol intoxication meaning nothing. If you get drunk then commit a crime you are still responsible. Intoxication is not an excuse as you decided to put yourself in that state. There is a double standard here but it is not purely gender.

If a man were to become drunk, consent to sex with a sober woman then charge her with rape I think it would be dismissed as it should be. It should also be dismissed if the genders are reversed.

However, if a woman were to become intoxicated and commit a crime she would be charged. I don't want to get into whether or not there would be a difference in sentencing. I just think that a woman would have a hard time using alcohol as an excuse to break the law.

duglock · 2012-03-20T17:17:58+00:00

Can't wait to read the book. Logic arguments are always the best as the overwhelming majority of feminist theory is based on emotion.

Snooves · 2012-03-20T16:30:56+00:00

I'm completely shocked. Something good from AVfM. I'm ordering the book right now. Good job OP. Have an up vote.

dermanus · 2012-03-20T21:25:07+00:00

My favourite:

Her attorney defended her against the assault charges, saying that she was suffering from PMS at the time of the incident. Dershowitz, clever man that he is, pointed out that the judge accepting the PMS defense would also be obligated to revoke the woman’s medical license, since it would be an absolute disaster if she started exhibiting symptoms of PMS during an operation.

Although this is pretty good too:

[...] just like blaming pornography for rape and child abuse, is “like blaming oxygen for pyromania.”

mantasradzas · 2012-03-20T19:53:09+00:00

I'm not particularly fond of Dershowitz because of his stance on Israel

Ghee_Buttersnaps_ · 2012-03-20T23:10:13+00:00

That guy is like the MR Jesus Christ.

RodKingsley · 2012-03-20T20:26:19+00:00

Ah, thank you. I'll put this on my to-read list.

TheMagicUpvoteFairy · 2012-03-20T21:13:44+00:00

A round of applause, please, gentlemen. This guy is full of win. Well, really, anything that allows people to get away with impunity is full of win.

Il128 · 2012-03-20T19:33:26+00:00

I've been waiting for this article for my entire life.

Title	The abuse excuse
Author	avoiceformen
Upvotes	108
Comments	30
Date	March 20, 2012 2:35 PM UTC (14 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/MensRights
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/MensRights/comments/r53pc/the_abuse_excuse/
Archive Link	https://theredarchive.com/r/MensRights/the-abuse-excuse.1025586 https://theredarchive.com/post/1025586

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