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That's fair. Some people prefer being called allies, others prefer other terms. It's just semantics in this case.
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I appreciate that view a lot. I actually agree with you that calling any person an MRA is an inclusive, non-sexist thing. I like that, so I feel you.
My point is that I don't care. Not only with regard to this question (because we're already derailing the point), but the overall movement (or any movement).
To relate to the OP, part of what I personally find so uncomfortable about online feminist spaces is the rigid guidelines surrounding political correctness and speech. For example, she is not a disable woman, she is a "woman with a disability". The spirit of the message gets lost, and any progress toward tangible, actionable change gets traded in for a loft discussion about sociolinguistics, ivory tower sexism, and a bunch of crap that doesn't affect the actual problem.
What I find more comfortable about MRA spaces is that, typically, fewer people get triggered by vocabulary. There's a popular female subreddit where you are removed for using the term "bitch," even if to describe yourself. I don't see that kind of behavior in MRA spaces, and it makes it easy to focus on the spirit of a message, not the delivery.
So, in the end, I guess you're technically right, but I'm not personally interested in divisive terminology. A woman who supports the men's rights movement can call herself an ally if she wants, so long as she's supporting and encouraging the movement.
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May I ask you why you only responded to this part of my post?
Why didn't you respond to the OP by sharing your experiences?
This is actually highly relevant to my OP:
Your behavior oddly is becoming a recurring theme with you specifically. Think about that, for a sec. I've started to recognize you in my threads and comments not as someone with interesting, constructive opinions, but as a man with a fanatical devotion to nitpicking my posts.
Now, there is another user who often does this. In fact, he seems to be considered a slightly abrasive, possibly disliked poster. However, he has never responded to my comments rudely the way you do. Every time he has responded, I genuinely and truly learn something new because his beliefs, no matter how controversial they might be, are presented clearly and constructively.
Let me put it this way. I'm a regular poster in feminist groups because, as someone who disagrees with women's movements, I love starting chats that help me learn why people do what they do. However, there are a few women whose usernames I've started to recognize, and I half-heartly anticipate their irrelevant comments about HOW I said something vs. WHAT I said.
This is largely why I stopped regularly posting in a popular female subreddit called AskWomen. I could not even ask a question about women's experiences with domestic violence because some SJW with green hair and a bullring cannot stop xerself (lol) from "educating" me about the problematic nature of calling it domestic violence because that's sexist.
So, sure...I guess you're right. But, uh, what matters more? Having a fun, insightful discussion that changes someone's mind (as the above guy often does) or being male equivalent of a hairy-armpitted, flannel-wearing caricature of men's rights?
Do you want your username to be associated with interesting, if controversial content like the guy I mentioned above? Or are you okay with being considered technically correct, but having people audibly sigh, "ugh, buffdad is at it again."
Chill, dude. Let's have a fun, collaborative talk instead of preaching to the choir with ivory tower myopia and bullshit.
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There ya go. Thanks for your time, but I will no longer be personally responding to your vitriolic pedantry. I'm an MRA, but not a SJW.
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I wasn't aware that men's struggle in current society is a contest. There isn't anything to "win" because reality and fact exist eternally from my ego, but even if this were something someone could win...I promise it wouldn't a SJW like you who plays word games and only selectively responds to style, not content.
Again, to relate to the OP, you took a page from the feminist, SJW playbook, and you use Oppression Olympics ™ and pointless pedantry to skirt philosophical discussions.
I made the mistake of expecting you to act like a MAN because I value intelligence and stoicism.
If you ever (and I mean this genuinely) feel like you need to talk to someone about why you let your anger at society and insecurity with yourself turn you into this juvenile mess of resentment and vitriol, PM me.
I used to be you, and someone like me made it clear that no one cared about my point because I myself didn't even care about the point. I cared about being right, and that's the reason feminism got us into this mess.
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All four of those things are SO similar to my experiences that I could have written this myself.
When you're modmessaged, banned, and downvoted, what's your reaction? Do you feel resentful and defensive? Do you feel compelled to prove yourself right?
Personally, I get so disheartened because I am genuinely in those spaces to learn and discuss. If I were there spewing misogyny and hatred, then I'd understand, but I've been removed and banned for 100% polite, judgement-free things. For example, I mentioned that one of the fetishes my clients enjoy is "sissification." My comment was removed because the name has "sissy" in it, and apparently some men's neutral use of the term "sissification" is offensive to trans people who don't want to be called sissies.
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