"Why this fraudster needs help, not prison: Troubled private schoolgirl tricked a female student into sex by pretending to be a man... But is she really a sex offender?" | Yes! Yes, you dumb white knight, she definitely is.

EricAllonde · 2017-07-29T13:02:26+00:00

A classic example of the double standard: journalist (male feminist?) argues that the (moderately attractive) young girl shouldn't be prosecuted and jailed for the sex crimes she committed, because reasons.

Of course a male perpetrator would go away for a lot longer for the same, or even for less serious, crimes.

This is nothing but a textbook example of the usual white knighting that says, "Don't prosecute women when they break the law".

StopStartPause · 2017-07-29T14:11:11+00:00

"Newland, a privately-educated university graduate, rubbing shoulders with Britain’s most notorious living female killer?"

Jesus, the bias. Girls are made of sugar and spice. We can't really punish them when they do something wrong, can we? Espscially not nice middle-class girls; that's just nasty.

"How on earth did that happen?"

She committed a crime and they don't have nice posh-girl prisons, just prisons.

HeForeverBleeds · 2017-07-29T15:23:57+00:00

It's amazing many people genuinely treat being female as a mitigating factor in committing crimes, especially sex crimes. They write these long articles about the rapist's trouble life, when an article just as long and at least just as pitiful can be written about the vast majority of male offenders. I guess it's somewhat of a relief that in this case most of the comments are condemning the rapist

BlindGardener · 2017-07-29T15:08:07+00:00

This could cause an issue for Trans Rights, for what it's worth. FtM trans (Who are about four times rarer than MtF trans) could get charged with rape because they 'falsely represented their sex'.

On the other hand, there's a lot of ways that sort of situation is very different than this one.

On the third hand, if you wear a fucking blindfold to every encounter, you kinda deserve what you get.

On the fourth hand, I'd feel pretty violated in the woman's place.

Iunno. A court case is important for these reasons. It seems complicated.

YuenHsiaoTieng · 2017-07-29T17:10:53+00:00

We can avoid the double standard and still be decent human beings if we change this to, "No! No, you silly white knight, but men in the same situation aren't either!"

ShutupPussy · 2017-07-29T15:04:34+00:00

you are getting mad at a tabloid column. It's like posting condemnable youtube comments and getting mad at them. The entire point of tabloids is to post controversial pieces so people react, click, and share.

former_Democrat · 2017-07-29T15:20:25+00:00

She should just say she identifies as male. That will get anyone a pass in today's world.

thekidracb · 2017-07-29T17:25:19+00:00

She raped the other girl, plain and simple.

_exitus_acta_probat_ · 2017-07-30T09:55:28+00:00

stamping her feet (like a spoiled and petulant child). ‘No!’ she cried out.

I am shocked... not.

LoicyT · 2017-07-30T06:11:22+00:00

Doesn’t Newland’s explanation that both were in fact gay and that they were indulging in role-play make far more sense?

Has that been debunked? Seems like reasonable doubt.

t legal experts point out that when it comes to sex, deceptions are not uncommon. Some may exaggerate their wealth or social standing to improve their appeal, or claim to be single when in fact they are married. Others might choose to lie about their religion. But lies of this nature are not seen in law as sufficient to damage fatally the ability to consent freely. Gender deception, it seems, is.

In recent years a number of cases similar to that of Newland have reached the courts. Yet none has resulted in such a lengthy sentence

Probably because it involves a female complainant.

For sttaight men who have sex with men they think are women, or gay men who have sex with women thinking they are men, I dont think the rape industry cares.

rg57 · 2017-07-29T21:34:34+00:00

No, no, you feminism-addled fool, she definitely is not. There is no "regret rape".

Two people had consensual sex, TEN times, and enjoyed it. That's it.

NOBODY should ever go to prison for that, particularly when their accuser agreed to wear a stupid blindfold the whole time.

Would we even be having this conversation if the "fraudster" was a black man pretending to be white? What if the "victim" was naturally blind and there was no blindfold?

WiseMonkeyGoodMonkey · 2017-07-30T00:06:03+00:00

FYI, there’s going to be a (potentially) wildly unpopular bit to this towards the end. As I read this and I want to take a step back.

First and foremost we have a case where a woman is claiming that she received unwanted sexual contact (or more specifically in this case sexual contact from someone other than was being represented). The first argument I am seeing here is that it was just a lie, and you should not punish a lie like it was a rape. Imagine instead the student on the receiving end had a boyfriend, and instead of Gayle it was another guy pretending to be the boyfriend. Same hoopla ensues. Deception and seemingly erotic fun with blindfolds with end result of tricking her into sex. Suddenly the lie seems more like rape. Lies are trouble legally. Even lies of omission. Having, for example, HIV and not telling your partner can and will get you an attempted murder charge. Example here.

So in today’s world lies that involve sex (whether you agree with it or not) are held to different standards.

Now to be clear, if the article above is to any degree authentic to the facts I believe Gayle. I find it far more plausible that 2 women from less than flexible families/upbringings would be experimenting than I can accept that a woman could spend over a hundred hours with someone and not know they are not a man (much less accept something into the most sensitive part of her body and not be able to tell the difference between a dildo and it’s flesh and blood counterpart – and she had been with a man prior to this entanglement).

Now the easy thing to say here would be “fuck em all” or something to that effect. Claim that situations like these make this just after the fact justice. That we should let her suffer. But that’s only partially right. Here’s the bound to be unpopular bit.

We do need to stand back and let this happen. I feel for Gayle. I think she’s being royally screwed. But I also think that if this was a story about Brian Banks (when that was relevant) she would have been one of the women on the front line looking for as much punishment as could be meted out. Not that she should be punished for that either. The reason we need to stand back and let this happen is because empathy comes from shared pain. Currently, imo, it’s so very easy for feminists to demonize because we have no shared pain points. Their pain is legitimately not ours, and vice versa. And for them to see the damage in what they are doing I genuinely believe it has to start happening to them as it's been happening to us. Women have to go to jail over false claims of rape by other women. Women have to get royally screwed by other women in divorce proceedings and the resultant fight over children. Entitlement does not recognize genitalia, and it will happen. And we need to not jump and point gleefully (as tempting as that might be). We need to let it happen, and open the dialogs to the wounded when it does.

TL;DR We have to let this happen because some are so busy being angry and outraged that the only way to show them that what’s taking place is wrong is to allow that thing to happen to them.

Elopikseli · 2017-07-30T00:30:54+00:00

Why this fraudster needs help, not prison: Troubled private schoolgirl tricked a female student into sex by pretending to be a man... But is she really a sex offender?

The title of the article instead of what op wrote

Actually OP wtf is up with you and putting your own opinion in with the title of the article?

freedomaboveelse · 2017-07-30T02:08:20+00:00

wow, this subreddit is stupid.

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