_This whole subreddit is made because how hard is it for men to build a relationahip with women from any kind so men do not have any control in the relationship that requires a woman except their mothers or family member, This huge lack of feminine roles in men's life will cause people to assume that if it's hard to have any kind of relationship with women ,it will be harder to make any one with HVM men but it's actually wrong, men can build an easy friendship with any men from any social class or value which is a good thing that keep low value men stable but when those low value men started to bash or hate HVM to win the empathy of women they caused a change that will eventually damage the low value men's ability to socialize cause then the only one they will be able to interact with are low value men as well, maybe the "pick me" boys are one of the example of what I said, a bunch of low value men that hold men accountable but worship the ground women walk on.