What should he do/ have done differently?

fruitenvrac · 2015-07-29T23:21:59+00:00

Oh my God. That was horrifying. I just watched it. All of it. Y u do dis, OP?

GuitarsAreGettingOld · 2015-07-30T01:22:58+00:00

Oh dear, the things you do for science...

He is definitely a difficult case. Of course, it's difficult to know how this guy is when there's no cameras around. Let's just assume he acts like this in real-life, too.

He has two main problems:

Other than nerdy betas, he doesn't seem to be intelligent. Nice guy + not intelligent is really hard to work with.
He isn't very likable. He is not unlikable, but unfortunately not likable enough that somebody would want to take him under his or her wings.

Scenario 1:

I agree with /u/a_nus. 3 months wouldn't be enough time.

His body is the least of his problems. But for self-confidence: He could change his body by lifting and hardcore dieting. He would see quick benefits judging from his body type. More than for example a skinny guy with a belly would.

Definitely new clothes. And he has to wear them for the three months to feel comfortable in them. Oh and lose the cap for heaven's sake.

What I'd advice him and practice with him by going to bars and stuff:

Being funny if you are a naturally funny guy and don't go overboard with it is good. Trying to be funny when you are not is awkward. "Like Britney Spears?" Gimme a break. I'd tell him not to make any jokes or puns at all.
Compliments. Don't start the conversation with a compliment. And use two compliments max on the first date. One for looks and one for something you find cool about her. I didn't count how many compliments he made, but damn there were too many. The implied compliments were the most cringeworthy. "...with a pretty girl like you".
You are not a tourist, dude. Yeah, it's great if you show interest in her life and ask questions. But don't come across as if you were a stranger in a strange land with a travel book and a childish curiosity. "Oooh, look there's a beach! Ooooh look there's a playground." The tourist thing is hard to describe.

It's like 40+ tourists who travel to spain and say gracias to a native and then bug them with "do I pronounce this correctly? gracias? Was this correct? Gracias. Better this time?" He has exactly the same aura as these tourists.

I tried to explain this to a friend actually. He somehow gets it, but I struggle to bring the point across tbh.

Ok, we promote playfully touching your date. But sorry, man, you just can't pull it off yet. Go without until you have built at least some self-confidence and social skills.
Conversational stuff. Granted, she wasn't really talkative and gave him little to build on. But when he asked her what her hobbies are, she said "snowboarding"...pause..."listening to music". The pause was her giving him a chance to build on the topic of snowboarding. I don't go snowboarding. But I think I could talk with her for 20 minutes about snowboarding.

He comes across as totally superficial, because through the whole video it seems like he jumps from topic to topic. It comes across as if he wasn't listening. Again, that's probably due to the cameras, but asking question "cool" asking question "really" asking question "right" is not a great formula. It would work for good-looking "bad guys" like the one from goodlookingloser. But he can't pull it off.

He tries to be interesting. His efforts are commendable. Follow-up questions are good, but as I said above, he jumps around too much. (A bit hard to tell because the video is cut obviously).

He is not leading the conversation. I know that anti-trp people have a problem with the concept of leading. But this guy basically tries to make her lead the conversation, so he doesn't have to. Questions too open. This might work with a different kind of girl, but not with her. She gives short answers? You have to talk more if you are not in a situations were you could do something. But don't expect a woman who doesn't want to talk much to lead the conversation.
The "lotion" part surprised me. That wasn't too bad. At least it was doing something instead of just talking.
He should have answers to standard questions. She asks him what he likes to do. "long walks at the beach...with a pretty girl like you". Damn, this guy is killing me. I would go through standard questions with him, and work out answers with him. He should be prepared if she asks him why he doesn't have a girlfriend. And not answer with "they want a guy with a car." . Yeah. And his "I was kind of shy in highschool" and her "Oh, rly?" was the best part of the video.
Another surprise was: "You said your name was Bran?" "Britanny." "Britanny, I am sorry." Calmly enough. That wasn't perfect, but I know guys who would have had a heart attack if they got her name wrong. Props.
Smile, but don't laugh nervously. "hehehe"..."are you wearing underwear? hehehe" "gnarly hehehe" "pretty awesome hehehe", "it's weird, hehehe"
Don't ask her "how are you" all the time. It's like he wants to hear her say "I am fine because you are here." As if he doesn't want to make sure that she is fine, but wants to get validation. Not good.

I think I could come up with more stuff, but I am tired.

One takeaway is that he does have some moments where he doesn't come across as a total creep. I would try to make a video before the shoot with another girl or in any social setting and show him where he messed up and where he did alright.

Scenario 2:

A real problem. He should find guys who are above his level concerning social skills, but he will have a hard time finding them. That is, guys who'll want to hang out with him.

The way I did it was banding up with a beta friend of mine and we worked on it together. And read a lot of PUA stuff. Thanks pua. And lifted, of course. And then when we were more confident and socially adept, we started to hang out with a friend we had known since elementary school. He introduced us to his other friends and everything went uphill from there.

Whether he can do something similar will be make or break for this guy.

I wouldn't even recommend trp to him. He isn't ready yet. He has to start with the basics. Lift, clothing, basic conversational skills, education, buying a car and going out more (instead of talking about how he likes going out). Just look he says "cheers", bumps glasses with her and then puts the glass down without drinking. And talks again. This guy doesn't go out much.

DAE think she looks much better during the "date" than in her xxx videos?

TL;DR: I think I will write novels someday.

chazzALB · 2015-07-30T00:55:19+00:00

Found a new favorite sub.

alreadyredschool · 2015-07-30T14:15:24+00:00

Let's change this: Scenario 1: You get 50.000€ to give this guy advice to get him on track to having success with women that aren't being paid to f*ck him.

Without the money I wouldn't bear being around him for longer than an hour. I would make him approach 10 people every day and have some conversations. Basic work out and grooming, that stupid make over you see on TV all the time.

Scenario 2: I would push him to do more porn.

wombatinaburrow · 2015-07-30T04:26:22+00:00

Good god, that poor boy. I wanted to buy him some sessions with a sex therapy worker.

Ocean_Squeeze · 2015-07-30T00:29:49+00:00

For three months, I'd just force him to keep rewatching the video... over and over again.

LeGrandDiableBlanc · 2015-07-30T00:43:00+00:00

Scenario 1: To the FUCKING gym, bro. Since I only have 3 months, I'd run him on a course of steroids. After an hour of gym time every day (light yoga/stretching on off days), I would take him to a mall every night for an hour of cold approaches. Finally, at the end of each night I would talk with him for an hour about what he learned that day, and give him tips dependent upon how he behaves. I would also have him read one book per month. Month 1: Models by Mark Mason, Month 2: The Rational Male Year 1 by Rollo Tomassi, Month 3: Sex God Method.

That's about all I can do in 3 months.

Scenario 2: Pretty much the same thing, except less intense. I would try and set him up with sustainable, positive life habits. Gym 3-4 times per week, find him a social hobby to do 1 time per week, cold approaches for two hours every weekend. I would expand his books to include The Meditations by Marcus Aurelius, The Myth of Sisyphus: And Other Essays by Albert Camus, Bang by Roosh, and others. I would also have him start working on furthering his career.

RojoEscarlata · 2015-07-30T01:00:56+00:00

My advice would be to bail the whole thing, not amount of money (I guess he got paid) is worth to shame yourself by being filmed fucking some random whore.

If he did this for free, I would slap him around or being so damn stupid too.

I'll have him getting laid by hotter girls in those 3 months, is not that fucking hard.

Chigibow · 2015-07-30T11:13:36+00:00

oh god. oh fuck. I couldn't watch more than 2 minutes of that

heres a great video for all you PPD men!

http://www.pornhub.com/view_video.php?viewkey=544305429

scrantonic1ty · 2015-07-30T21:31:06+00:00

Can someone give me a tl;dw? I can imagine, but are there any cringe gems in there?

GridReXX · 2015-07-29T23:44:49+00:00

That made me hate sex.

Now I have to refresh my brain and watch a cable television series to remember that it's not supposed to be like that.

a_nus · 2015-07-29T23:17:01+00:00

Scenario 1: 3 months is not nearly enough time for someone to change their personality from anxious and awkward to confident and outgoing. I'd give him the basic general tips to increase social confidence (improve eye contact, talk to more people [girls], body posture, etc.) But as I said, 3 months is not enough time to really internalize confidence. For this scenario, I'd honestly just tell him to have a few beers beforehand or take a bar or something.

Scenario 2: Make him identify the mistakes he's made in the video. Give him the basic starting tips of improving self confidence (again, there's a lot to this which is out of the scope of this post,) and take it from there. Gauge where he's at in a years time.

[deleted] · 2015-07-29T23:12:18+00:00

Oh Jesus. If I had gotten to him before the video came out I'd just tell him not to do it. It's a bad idea for a variety of reasons. If he was that desperate to get laid he should just hire a prostitute.

After the video came out... idk. I've never even made it to the end before so I don't know what his response is.

Title	What should he do/ have done differently?
Author	GaiusScaevolus
Upvotes	4
Comments	25
Date	July 29, 2015 10:43 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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