About women in STEM fields complaining about sexism

Position5hero · 2014-09-25T19:06:25+00:00

"Most guys who help me with the subject have sexual interests in me."

Oh no the horror thirsty betas are bending over backwards to help you

garlicextract · 2014-09-25T18:44:52+00:00

"If I do not understand something, people assume I am not smart and don't bother to explain it to me just because I am a girl."

Oh man, this one had me rolling. As a dude who graduated with an engineering degree, in nearly every rigorous upper-divison class, my thoughts consisted of the following:

75% "What the FUCK is going on?"
25% "Damn I'm going to fail this shit, I have no idea what's gping on"

And guess what? No one bothered to go out of their way to explain it to me, and they probably assumed I was a dumbass. So I sat my ass down, did the damn work, and understood the material. What exactly is this woman expecting? For the teacher to say "Jenny doesn't understand this, so we wont cover it on the test"?

tombreck2 · 2014-09-25T18:20:00+00:00

One of my college professors had us turn in assignments with a 6 digit number we chose that he did not know to promote fair grading of assignments

DRMMR76 · 2014-09-25T23:33:09+00:00

And I noticed something: They all have in common that these girls (apparently for the first time in their lives) do not have a girl-bonus. They got so used to their girl-bonus that the lack of a girl-bonus feels hostile to them.

Definitely noticed the same thing in the Army. They've been shouting the "we can do everything a man can!" line for so many decades, and yet once they're let in they still expect handouts and special privileges. The Physical Fitness test is a perfect example. A 21yo male has to do 42 push-ups to pass, a 21yo female has to do 19. The same male has to run his 2 mile in 15:54. The female gets 18:54. And it's not just the "pass/fail" aspect of the test that matters. Those score translate to promotion points which of course have a direct effect on awards and promotions.

Yet any female you talk to about making the PT test equal will give you the usual lines about the female body being inherently different than males. The fact they can't actually do the job doesn't even matter to them. And the vaunted "we're just as capable as men" lies go out the window when it means they might lose some advantages. You're right that nearly all women go through life with a girl-bonus that rarely if ever gets taken away from them. That's why they still see any sort of male-bonus in any area of life as proof that they're still being held down. Their own bonus has always been there and always will so it's pretty much invisible to them. It doesn't count. "Equal" to them is they keep their bonus and take away males'.

skripklubbin · 2014-09-25T19:16:17+00:00

Being a first or second (and third to some extent) year in a "STEM" major doesn't mean you are in a STEM field. Graduate and get a job in the field or go to grad-school in the field then you can say are "in the field".

Aerobus · 2014-09-26T04:06:49+00:00

1) You feel pressure because you care so much. Detach yourself and you won't feel so pressured. And, whether you feel pressured or not, it isn't my problem.

2) If you don't understand something, you're not smart with regards to that particular thing, regardless if you are male or female. If you can't understand many things, you are a dumbass.

3) This is a reality of life.

4) This is also a reality of life.

NewRoots · 2014-09-26T04:08:34+00:00

I just want to know how I never saw this.

Where did something go wrong, what blocked me from this.

jethreezy · 2014-09-26T04:33:16+00:00

Good analysis, the only thing I'd add is that

2: "If I do not understand something, people assume I am not smart and don't bother to explain it to me just because I am a girl."

This is quite wrong IMO. There exists many resources and avenues to get help when one is unclear on a concept. Essentially all professors in STEM are rational, the majority would like their students to do well, many are quite nice and approachable. Additionally, there are also TAs who could help. Most students don't utilize the office hours of their instructors and TAs, so that's really their own problem. Of course this applies for both male and female students.

bsutansalt · 2014-09-26T10:40:03+00:00

This belongs at /r/Trpofftopic.

Title	About women in STEM fields complaining about sexism
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Date	September 25, 2014 6:16 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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