Christianity and the red pill

long-lostfriend · 2014-11-25T01:17:37+00:00

Actual biblical marriages (not the "man up and marry that slut" message we hear from the pulpit far too often these days) are Red Pill marriages.

There are actually a lot of verses in Proverbs warning young men to stay away from the kinds of women that are reviled here as well.

AreYouAware_ · 2014-11-25T02:02:26+00:00

I'm growing a fascination with religion ever since diving into TRP. You're correct in your observation. Men have known for thousands of years what women's nature is and where it will lead to if unchecked. Religions like the abrahamic monotheist variety have this nailed down, each in their own ways.

That said, buying into any religion's metaphysical narrative based on little more than the writings of politically motivated desert dwellers, seeking to secure a grasp on their own power, is yet another blue pill to unplug from. Religion is a powerful force of social control, keeping the meek in line. Around it though, lay many levers of power available to that those who profess to believe. Are you using that power, or is it being used on you?

I think the subject of how to game using piety would be rich for exploration.

ColdEiric · 2014-11-25T01:21:46+00:00

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DougieTheCaker · 2014-11-25T04:33:06+00:00

Christianity: We are all sinners and can be saved only by the grace of god / acceptance of Christ

TRP: We are the way we are and woman are the way they are and it is neither moral nor immoral but here is a strategy to best deal with it.

nopbeentheredonethat · 2014-11-25T03:03:30+00:00

The red pill and christianity share some beliefs, but are at odds on some points.

The biggest dissonance arises from AWALT/AMALT. Christianity would teach that there can be (and are) good men and good women. Although it's not how you think.

Christianity teaches that all people are pretty freaking evil from birth. This is tied to an idea called original sin. I'm not going to get into that here. But suffice it to say that according to the Bible, everybody is really freaking wicked, and is only looking out for themselves.

If there is a God, and if He redeems evil people (which the Bible says He does), then in His divine omnipotence, He could make an evil person not evil. The Bible talks about this in a lot of places using various language, but you may have heard it from John chapter 3 when Jesus uses the phrase "born again". Paul describes this spiritual/moral transformation as being as radical as the difference between a dead man and a living man. And all Biblical authors are in agreement that a very small minority of people genuinely undergo this transformation. So statistically speaking, Christianity would say that ALMOST AWALT and ALMOST AMALT.

Also, the Bible emphasize placing the needs of others above your own - totally counter to the red pill. However, the Bible is clear that a husband should be the head of his household and the primary decision maker of his family.

As a christian, I believe the Bible over TRP philosophy. So I place my wife's needs ahead of my own. I try to do what's best for my wife. Now consider: is what's best for my wife a healthy marriage in which I'm the captain, or a marriage in which I'm a doormat and she's constantly running around like a chicken with her head cut off? So putting her needs and interests above my own is neither red pill nor blue pill. But the TRP certainly gives some helpful practical advice regarding how to be a man and take charge of a family for your own good, your family's good, and to honor God.

RedOnArrival · 2014-11-25T01:27:47+00:00

generally, we stay away from religion, politics, or other hot button areas as our goal is the improvement of each individual and our collective understanding of sexual strategy, and not reconciling Red Pill theory with each aspect of life (the instances of this tv show or song is RP as SHIT posts are getting annoying).

That said, I think the basics of Christianity are actually very red pill while a lot of blue pill tenets have been added on in its organization (the church) and in modern times. For instance, take the "turn the other cheek" lesson. It's actually a great lesson in holding frame in the face of the mother of all shit tests - the face slap. the modern interpretation is to be a doormat and let other people slap you around (literally and figuratively) like a little bitch.

In reality, turning the other cheek would have required the person to hit you with the back of their right hand or the face of their left hand, both of which were widely considered debasing to the person doing the slapping in those times (you struck someone with the back of your left hand only back then, or you were the bitch, for whatever reason). by turning the other cheek, you were essentially challenging the person to publicly claim bitch-status or fuck off, and keeping it on your terms.

there are a lot of instances of this where the message of the parable/story has been morphed into some blue pill ideal. I'd like to think this was by mistake, or accident, but I know the people who rise to power in these organizations are all too often benefiting from the BP masses they create to think otherwise.

BluepillProfessor · 2014-11-25T02:56:10+00:00

Dalrock discusses this at length.

I think Christianity is the original Red Pill. Genesis Chapter 3, The entire Song of Songs, much of Proverbs, Corinthians Chapter 3, Peter Chapter 3, and quite a few other places suggest that the man should lead and the woman should submit.

The woman's duty is to respect her husband. Now we know a woman who respects her husband fucks her husband. A man's duty is to love his wife and provide for the family. Pretty damn Red Pill if you ask me.

Year_Of_The_Horse_ · 2014-11-25T02:46:02+00:00

I know a lot of Mormons who have very RP relationships with their wives. Men definitely have higher status in that religion, but women are still valued highly as mothers and wives. Women get taught from day 1 that their value lies in their ability to be a good mother and wife. They inoculate them against hypergamy from a very young age.

I know they would never admit it, but most of them don't really believe in Mormonism, they just like what it does for them, and it is utterly forbidden to speak out against it anyway. It is the fastest growing religion in America, their leadership takes the long view on becoming more dominant in America - outbreed everyone, place their people in positions of authority, and send their people to areas ripe for conversion.

I don't believe in religion, but they definitely have a functional system that is thriving, whereas mainstream America is in decay and steep decline. And a lot of that success comes from understanding the nature of women and the necessity for any society to suppress women's hypergamous instincts.

RockTurgidson · 2014-11-25T04:19:21+00:00

Religion is Blue Pill as fuck. TRP is literally a reference to The Matrix metaphor about unplugging yourself from a collective delusion and seeing the world for what it is. So, how the fuck can taking part in the world's longest running series of structured delusions -- created for the maintenance of power by the few over the minds of the many via dangling the fear of death in their faces -- ever mesh with TRP?

thereddespair · 2014-11-25T20:01:27+00:00

Christianity, the religion for sheep. Oh god it even promotes the idea of people being herded sheep.

The thing is, people can exist where they use christianity to move their own interests. From church leaders using this as pressure in public affairs through withdrawal of funds to condemnation.

Its how you use it, as it is a tool.

trplurker · 2014-11-25T09:27:44+00:00

Ok firstly people need to separate out Old Testament from New as they addressed distinctly different things. Old is a gigantic collection of verbal traditions and parables that were passed on from generation to generation amongst the various tribes of Mesopotamia. They originated in a time before writing and served as a form of teaching similar to what we observed amongst the native Americans. The stories each held some lesson or historical element that was passed from the older generation to the younger ones. They were never meant to be taken literally. The books of Moses had at least eight different authors who's creation spanned centuries. Most of the old testament was this way, parables combined with historical references as observed by an ancient and primitive (by modern standards) species.

New Testament stuff was the collected letters and writings of the followers of a very charismatic religious figure who was hell bent on fixing what he believed was a decadent and morally corrupt society. It is all interpreted and coaxed into creating an artificial worldview that focus's on piety and submission to a central church authority. This is the result of several campaigns of "reinterpretation" that happened several centuries after aforementioned religious figures demise.

So what we get is very hard core "life lessons" from the old testament. Lots of rules that benefited those people and lead to a successful stable tribal society. Some may not apply to our current modern technology infused world while others are universal.

nopbeentheredonethat · 2014-11-25T16:46:50+00:00

In no way what so ever is Christianity more RedPill than any other religion.

Submission to the Lord, to the church authority, having your most intimate behaviour dictate to you by religious dogma and tradition that has no bases on reality, Is the antithesis of living a like a free man!

I rather face the hard truth, than embrace the folly of religion. I do not need to be told what to do or what to think to apply RedPill teaching in my marriage.

ColdEiric · 2014-11-25T00:55:19+00:00

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foldpak111 · 2014-11-25T08:02:43+00:00

Religion is a bit of a plague.

If you're christian, you believe in stoning gays and ostracizing those who have sex before marriage (99.9999999% of the population).

If you're Muslim, you believe flying planes into buildings is Allahs wish and that Jewish people are evil.

If you're Mormon... well then, see you on Kolob.

Don't really care what she has to say, she's a Christian, and is therefor a crazy person.

TimeHo · 2014-11-25T01:02:37+00:00

The story of the prodigal son is pretty red pill if you stretch it a bit. When Helen Hypergamy comes back from spending all of her 'inheritence', and Marvin MGTOW tries to point out how she was living compared to how he has been doing the right thing all along. Marvin then proceeds to get shamed by their father Sky Daddy.gov.

Title	Christianity and the red pill
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