Does prostitution ruin the sexual power structure?

ernestbelfortbax · 2014-05-29T16:03:38+00:00

Lets ponder on the theory that if we fucked only prostitutes would women actually stop acting like schizo freaks on LSD cocaine?

Yes. Prostitution lowers the sexual market value and bargaining power of women, thus feminists criminalize it (or rather men who pay for sex with prostitutes) - and most women support this.

It's the same with feminist attempts to ban porn and to raise the age of consent. It also explains rape hysteria as an attempt by feminists to deter young women and men from engaging in casual sex.

Feminism is really just a sexual trade union for women.

http://historyoffeminism.com

HAMMURABl · 2014-05-29T15:34:35+00:00

yes, definitely. if i would "go my own way" (disregard women), i would for sure consider visiting hot prostitutes from time to time. thank god i live in germany, so no probz here.

the effect of prostutition IS noticeable here. women, particularly women past 25, do in the most cases know that their time is running out. this is partially because men past 30 who are still single have the option AND the money to visit prostitutes, so for a women to hit 30 and still be single really sucks here.

gohammer3 · 2014-05-29T15:52:25+00:00

Man this sub is getting overrun by whiny low test motherfuckers.

mtndewlover · 2014-05-29T16:15:05+00:00

Yeah. I feel all the people talking about how the idea of this sub is to become the best version of yourself and have sex come as consequence. It isn't the main objective; which is a touch counter-intuitive.

But, you're not wrong. I live in Vietnam, and women here know that they have to offer enough to make a man abandon his whoring ways, or no dice. That said, if we only fucked hookers, all women would just become hookers (or rather, hookers of the formal, rather than informal sort).

Edit: also, this isn't to disparage marriage or LTRs. That this sort of thing sounds offensive just means that we in the West have either misunderstood prostitution or marriage.

needathrowawayplease · 2014-05-29T16:16:35+00:00

| I try to conversate with them and approach them but 99 % of all women are fucking stupid, boring, horrible conversationalists that don't know right from left and are completely inconsistent all the time.

There might be something wrong with you or your approach to life if you don't enjoy conversations with any women.

Have you considered that your expectations are too high? In terms of what you expect to get out of a social interaction or conversation?

| I have a hard time faking interest like most men do.

I don't think most men are faking interest. Maybe some are, but not most. Perhaps you need to learn to find enjoyment in small things.

| Red Pill theory tells men to go their own way while at the same time telling them to change completely who they are and lose their dignity along the way

Red Pill theory doesn't tell you to go your own way or to change who you are. RP is descriptive, not prescriptive. RP tells us why X causes Y, it doesn't say change everything about yourself to be as X as possible. That's a decision you make for yourself. Some men are naturally X from birth, some can become more X without a lot of effort, and then are some guys like you who try to be X but are incredibly unhappy doing so.

Dunno what to tell you.

jelloba · 2014-05-29T16:18:34+00:00

This is the weakest post I've ever seen here.

Junkis · 2014-05-29T15:28:28+00:00

It exists in other cultures so that would be a place to look as far as prostitution and its effects.

It seems contradictive to me that Red Pill theory tells men to go their own way while at the same time telling them to change completely who they are and lose their dignity along the way.

I don't understand your idea of losing your dignity though... actually ever since this stuff I feel more dignified. Why shouldn't I if I am more confident, physically stronger, socially smarter, etc. I'm a musician first and foremost and that hasn't changed one bit. I don't think you should be trying to change yourself for women, I'm new but that doesn't sound alpha.

Alpha is one messed up keystroke away from Aloha

aguy01 · 2014-05-29T18:22:48+00:00

Sounds like you're a virgin. I think fucking a prostitute really is a good way to lose your viginity. There's nothing special about virginity and the quicker you get experience the better you will feel and the quicker you will make progress towards bedding women with game. That said, you don't need to go to another country to do it. There is undoubtedly a large ring of prostitution in whatever country you live in, and thousands of men are safely banging them every day without any consequences. Just do some research on your country and go for it.

catsinmyunderpants · 2014-05-29T19:03:33+00:00

This will be blunt, but I still love you.

So much pressure is being put on us men to be physically attractive, socially gifted and confident.

No, my friend, it is a privilege to be able to achieve those things as a man.

I realized that I don't really want a relationship because I would have to change so much about myself in order to accomodate for some fucking female that I don't feel honestly likes me for who I am.

This is because you still buy into the happily ever after romantic love sold by Hollywood, et al. You do not have to become someone else. You just need to have your shit together. That is attractive and women will want to be with you. By having your shit together, I mostly mean: have a decent career that pulls in decent money, be reasonably healthy and fit, have some control over your emotional state. That's about all you have to do and you don't have to nail it perfectly. Just making an effort is a great start.

I just want sex, but women are holding out on sex like they are defending the fucking Fort Knox.

Of course they are. And it is because you just want sex. They sense your desperation. It robs them of the thrill of pursuit knowing that they are in control of the situation and that bores them. You need to be someone who has his sex drive more or less within his control.

I try to conversate with them and approach them but 99 % of all women are fucking stupid, boring, horrible conversationalists that don't know right from left and are completely inconsistent all the time.

Inconsistent, perhaps, although quite predictable once you understand them. But interest is where you find it. If you find women boring, it is for two reasons. One, you relate to them as though they're men with pussies. Women are not men. Don't try to relate to them as though they are. Although it's not often spoken about in PUA circles, women do have strengths and positive qualities of their own. Just don't expect them to be your new best guy friend with boobs. And secondly, it's because you're not attractive to them. When a woman is attracted to you, her feelings will drive her to do whatever you want, just so that she gets to be with you.

I tried to do game, implement Red Pill theory and other stuff but I realized I am just too stubborn and proud to change, so I act aloof and completely ignore them and don't put any effort in talking to them and I have a hard time faking interest like most men do.

Aloofness is transparent if it's not genuine. Let's be honest here; you are angry from being rejected for sex and you're sulking. That's neither aloof nor sexy. Brother, distance yourself from their rejection. That shows confidence.

I decided I will probably go to amsterdam this summer and have sex with a hot prostitute that doesn't play stupid shit games.

Good luck with that. This will likely only solidify your stance, because prostitutes are the epitome of fake. You will not have the connection that I can sense that you seek. You'll just become even more bitter about women.

Lets ponder on the theory that if we fucked only prostitutes would women actually stop acting like schizo freaks on LSD cocaine?

No, because all relationships have inherent transactions. It's just far more obvious in the case of prostitution. But, try marrying a woman and then lose your job and play video games all day without showering and see how much she feels like sexing you up. Clue: not at all.

Here is what to do:

Make friends and hang out with them in real life. Girls and guys, both.
Lift weights. You'll feel better about yourself, because it releases all kinds of good neurochemicals.
Jerk off every time you feel like your frustration is going to make you explode and you hate everyone. But not so much that it takes the edge off your drive to do things. Once a week, max.

plasticsleeper · 2014-05-29T15:33:50+00:00

you can fuck as many prostitutes as you want, it may kick the want for intimacy to the curb (most likely temporarily though) but it wont fill the void of having actually earnt a sexual partner.

you'll have to be patient and just keep on trying I'm afraid, also it's easier to get big headed about yourself rather than see where you're wrong and change

by the sounds of it you're also talking to women who aren't in your preffered environment ergo, you'd probably speak to the guys around you in those environments and feel the same way, or maybe it's you who's not good at convo. maybe it's your drive for sex that makes your convo shit when you talk to girls

jsl2837 · 2014-05-29T16:06:31+00:00

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What is this?

Jabroni12345 · 2014-05-29T16:36:48+00:00

"They" aren't going to change. "They" just are.

As much as you might not want to hear it, it's you who needs to change.

thepillwastaken · 2014-05-29T16:17:14+00:00

Prostitutes do nothing to prepare you for the real world challenges of attaining and spinning multiple women at the same time.

Your sexual abilities may actually suffer since you will never get good feedback on your performance (a regular girl just won't fuck you again if you are bad).

Zero work put in allows the infiltration of the beta mindset.

Addiction to the availability will take away any hunters mentality and destroy any dominant traits you may have ("i don't think this girl will fuck me, i better not go for it. I can just call my whore later for sex")

Hookers are for guys who can't get laid. Period. Red Pill guys do get laid or they shouldn't be here posting questions like this.

If losing your dignity means that you are not able to acquire plates and spin them, then you are not RP.

bhsWD96 · 2014-05-29T15:55:10+00:00

You make a few valid points, but I think that TRP is more about improving yourself and your life for yourself. The PUA stuff is more or less just a sub-section of the drive for self-improvement rather than the overall goal.

In the end, it all boils down to respect. The sexual aspects of the alpha/beta are all about the ability to command respect and that ability is built from the respect for yourself you gain from self-improvement.

Do it for yourself, not some girl.

jakethesnake76 · 2014-05-29T15:57:13+00:00

It seems contradictive to me that Red Pill theory tells men to go their own way while at the same time telling them to change completely who they are and lose their dignity along the way.

PUA's are the opposite of us MGTOW's ,we take women off the pedestal where as they try to put themselves on a higher one, both work it's just a matter of what you are after.

2014-05-29T16:42:48+00:00

Dude.

Split yo paragraphs up

That is all

Axotl · 2014-05-29T19:17:40+00:00

If you don't want to change or accept responsibility for your shortcomings, TRP isn't for you. You have a gift in realizing that it's all in your control to change for the better, yet you want others to change for you. This will not happen and you will be ostracised in society, as a bitter and potentially dangerous man.

It's widely believed that accepting TRP is extremely difficult for the vast majority of men at the very start, so I recommend you hang in there and just work through it. It's normal to be angry and bitter.

The philosophy isn't going anywhere so if you choose to turn your back on it, take some consolation in the knowledge that you can always change your mind. The clock is ticking though.

billiegoad · 2014-05-29T17:51:28+00:00

Bro you just have to come up upon someone in your league or below. And throw a lot of darts at the wall to see what sticks, i.e. hand out business/personal cards after a brief convo. Don't get all Rodger on me now. But you're right. You get into a relationship and gone are your friends and family. It's all about keeping her entertained 24 7 till she's threw with you. And forget marriage. You have no idea what a shit train that is. See /r/killmarriage for more on that topic.

You say you want sex? Shoot for the older women. I mean older ! Kids are grown up. Husband doesn't pay any attention to them anymore or they're recently divorced. They're flattered to have a young man pursue them sexually. Even if what you're packing doesn't quite make up for the fact she's had 2 or 3 kids. Otherwise they are the gatekeepers of the sex. You keep pursuing girls your own age and 1. They're looking for baby daddies and are probably pursuing the alpha males or 2. You'll be raising someone else's kids. Beyond all that strippers are a safe alternative. Once you get to know a few who knows.

Ironhigh · 2014-05-29T17:40:08+00:00

It seems contradictive to me that Red Pill theory tells men to go their own way while at the same time telling them to change completely who they are and lose their dignity along the way

You change yourself to accommodate yourself, it's not losing dignity, it's in fact the exact opposite.

apackofwankers · 2014-05-29T18:53:27+00:00

What the fuck is it with you Americans? You imagine that if prostitution were legal, your whole sexual dynamic would change.

You haven't done the slightest bit of research on this, have you? You probably don't even know that prostitution is legal in Australia, Germany, Holland, and many other countries. You probably have never slept with a prostitute.

If this is your proposed solution, do some fucking research first. Take a vacation in Mexico or Dominican Republic, or Amsterdam, fuck as many prostitutes as you can, THEN consider writing about prostitution as a way of solving the problem you have with the sexual dynamics in your country.

if you dont do a little research, you are a whiny little bitch, AND an ignorant-as-fuck American retard.

Title	Does prostitution ruin the sexual power structure?
Author	catsinmyunderpants
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Date	May 29, 2014 3:17 PM UTC (12 years ago)
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