How necessary is a good face?

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IllimitableMan · 2014-09-13T23:39:58+00:00

You have to do leg work if you're less attractive. You have to approach girls rather than have girls approach you. Girls wont whistle at you or offer you their number or anything like that, you don't get easy mode, but if you slay shit tests, hold frame, and are humorous/flirty you can close and get play. It works differently, you get less invitations to approach, flirted with less (or never) and blah blah, but that doesn't mean you can't get play. You're a man, you hunt, whether the prey is asking you to come and fuck it because it's seen you're a silverback with attractive genetic markers or whether you have to infatuate her with solid frame, sharp wit and no fucks given, you can still close and get play.

Being attractive is like having every door on the street open to you, and you can walk into whatever door you like, but if you fuck up, you're back out on the street. Chicks are more receptive to you off the bat when you are attractive, but that doesn't mean you can't go and fuck it up. The unattractive equivalent is when all those same doors are closed and you need a key just to get into anywhere. You're not hot so people don't have a reason based on observation to let you in, they need a logical reason, they need to see some status, or otherwise like you psychologically (you're funny, you're interesting etc.) For a literal example, think of how discriminant bouncers are at bars and clubs. Charisma, confidence, having your shit together and a sense of humour are the key (pun intended) for unattractive guys. Your face ain't getting any prettier. Small guys, you ain't getting any taller. Needle dicks, you're not getting hung. It is what it is. Accept it and work on what you can change instead of mourning what you can't like a little bitch.

Nobody said physical attraction didn't matter, you can make a girl who doesn't expect to like you, like you. To give a really polarised comparison, say you've got a naturally athletic guy who is really unconfident. Chick sees him, before she's spoken to him she expects to be swept off her feet, places her expectations high and is dreaming of fucking him. She talks to the guy and the more they talk the less she likes him. He has no game, he fails shit tests and blah blah. She feels let down, her expectations were high because "OMG HE'S SO HOT!" and but he doesn't get the lay because he's all effeminate, nervous and saying dumb shit. Guys like this need chicks to be drunk so all the interacting doesn't matter and his body can do all the talking. Now imagine a guy who is slightly out of shape, hasn't got well fitting clothes and blah blah, your average guy. Her expectations are low. Except this guy keeps her on her toes, dismisses her, teases her and really plays with her emotions. When she throws shit at him, he handles it unfazed like a boss. Guess who's getting the lay? Chubby mc bad fashion is. Why? She had low expectations and he surpassed them, not only that but he had masculine energy and knew how to play the game with her. That's attractive.

Of course if a guy who's swole as fuck and has the same game/confidence as the chubby guy came along, she'd be off with him and you'd be left high and dry because bitches take the best that they can get, but luckily, most guys have next to no game. Just like intelligent and beautiful women are rare, guys with good game who are ripped to fuck are rare. Most people who are smart/interesting neglect their looks, most people who are good looking neglect their brains, people try to cruise through life on ONE THING, but you should be trying to master both to get the best of both worlds. That's the kind of shit that really puts you up there, we're talking the top 1-2% of men. Try to be as attractive as you can with what you have and make your game a part of your personality (naturally flirty/witty) rather than come off as some try hard PUA and you'll get results.

People get too caught up on looks. Fit/good looking guys get butthurt when they get no play because they've got the personality of a door mouse and ugly guys act like they're condemned for eternity because they're ugly or simply average/below average. Play the hand you've got, work on improving your weaknesses, you're only as vulnerable as your weakest area. When you can't improve your weakest area any more, do your best to play it down

As for fucking tinder, there is no way for hoes to see other than from your pics if you're high status/attractive, which is why looks are so important on there. Unattractive guys should not be using fucking tinder. We know text game is shit for attraction building, texting is for logistics. I'd be interested to see whether an ugly guy who has a picture of him with a widely recognised celebrity (eg: charlie sheen/obama) on his tinder profile would get play based on that, seeing as, despite ugliness, it implies high status (he's connected to famous people.) I'm willing to bet bitches would put out thinking our ugly friend is some kind of stepping stone to better things. Someone try photoshopping themselves (convincingly) with a famous person and let us know if you get more hookups.

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wheyapartment · 2014-09-14T00:59:45+00:00

Face absolutely does matter. It's the most critical physical feature when it comes to attraction. You're not going to fuck 9s and 10s unless you yourself are a 9 or 10.

This is based on my personal observations. I know alpha men who are unattractive and alpha men who are attractive. The hot women flock to the attractive guys. The unattractive alpha can still get a lot of pussy; just not anywhere near as hot.

PersianDj · 2014-09-13T20:32:57+00:00

Most necessary!

You will get away with doing shit avg lookers can't even dream of!

But since its out of your bounds , no need pondering over it.Focus on optimizing other areas.

Red_King_Rising · 2014-09-13T20:00:18+00:00

Your face is what it is. If you have a great face, good for you. If not. Don't worry about it, there isn't much you can do to change besides diet, exercise and good grooming. Anything other concerns are just your insecurities talking. Ignore them. Either she likes your face, or she doesn't. There is no more thought required than this.

[deleted] · 2014-09-14T02:26:01+00:00

One common mistake people make when calculating facial aesthetics into the equation is that having a killer body also improves your facial aesthetics dramatically.

If you're a guy who can reach below 10% body fat, you'll have far less facial fat and hence a masculinized appearance. Assuming you have at least decent symmetry you should be fine. All that hard work you put into your body generally shines through as superior skin tone and facial aesthetics in the end anyhow, and yes it makes a big difference.

I've got a completely fucking average face, but when im in top condition I have chicks that practically stalk me when I go out at night. When Im in shit condition, this doesnt happen despite the relatively insignificant differences in my bodies appearance in terms of actual numbers (8% bf vrs 14% bf, constantly lifting and making good progression vrs generally lazy ass couch potato lifestyle lifting half assedly 2-3x a week, body size of roughly the same size).

There is a tipping point in physical aesthetics where women become highly interested in getting penetrated by you simply because your athletic conditioning.

whatsazipper · 2014-09-13T22:36:10+00:00

If face were of utmost importance we'd have a massive male cosmetics industry and men would be exchanging tips on how to manage their face.

Instead we talk about lifting weights.

It delivers results.

TurgidMeatWand · 2014-09-13T18:26:42+00:00

Everything matters, or works in tandem with each other. If you have lots of money or a really nice physique, being a butterface isn't a huge issue.

If you're ugly, just find a hairstyle that frames your face well and pay more attention to skin care.

Icecoffee965 · 2014-09-13T22:28:35+00:00

Really depends, on my opinion.

Would you rather bang an ugly chick with an amazing body (Lucy Liu ) or a 10/10 chick who has several wheelbarrows, completely out of shape?

I guess most guys would choose the 1st option, and girls would be the same. But we can agree to disagree

C_D_O · 2014-09-13T21:37:44+00:00

http://heartiste.wordpress.com/2013/07/22/study-dominance-not-looks-predicts-mens-mating-success/

The study linked really should be sidebar material. Not only because it shoots down the bullshit blue pill "you're just getting sex because you're handsome!" trope, but because its one of the better studies on female-male selection. Most studies in this arena have been survey models which are inherently prone to fault (self reporting etc)

updock · 2014-09-13T19:52:29+00:00

On tinder, it's probably 95% of meeting attractive girls. In the real world it's probably only like 75% of what matters.

anonlymouse · 2014-09-13T21:18:38+00:00

Possibly more than anything else, although I've seen guys with horrible faces (and decent bodies) with hot girlfriends, so it's not an absolute deal killer.

Also, talking with some of my female friends about what makes certain guys (such as Benedict Cumberbatch) hot - it's their facial expressions. A number of them told me they thought their friends were crazy thinking he was hot based on stills, and changed their mind immediately after seeing video of him.

NYJets7 · 2014-09-14T02:32:18+00:00

It matters, definitely. You can dress like a millionare and have killer gains, but if you look like you are legitimately ugly it makes it harder.

aTweetingBird · 2014-09-14T05:57:18+00:00

Having an attractive face is a bonus, but if you have a great personality or a great sense of humor, it can really change the way others "see" you. Years ago, I was set to work a shift with a new coworker that I hadn't met yet. When I saw him come in, I kinda flinched a little. He had hair that was kinda crazy, and generally wasn't the type of guy I'm attracted to. But as we spent more and more shifts together, I grew to really like him. He was charming and he was really funny. I ended up going out on a date with him, which if someone had told me that a minute after I had seen him, I would have thought they were crazy.

cooltrip · 2014-09-14T11:24:33+00:00

Nothing

Beauty is a female attribution.

KarmaEnthusiast · 2014-09-15T04:43:18+00:00

I've been complimented heaps of times about random parts of my body but I still don't get laid. It's not as simple as having one versus not having it. You're looking for validation for why you can't get women and in my opinion this is toxic towards actually getting them. You are looking for an ego shield to go "Oh well it's because of my face, not because of x, y and z, I can't change that so I'll stay in my hole". Good luck to you man, we all get our time.

[deleted] · 2014-09-13T21:13:14+00:00

as long as it doesn't look someone caught your face on fire and then tried to put the fire out with a hammer and knife, you're fine

favours_of_the_moon · 2014-09-13T21:13:47+00:00

Don't look for excuses.

Your face is fine. Just do your thing.

DoctorWelch · 2014-09-14T00:02:12+00:00

If you're talking about approaching on the street or getting looks from across the room then face is of utmost importance. Also a good looking face will definitely help in other areas as well, but I think it is just one of many factors. It just so happens to be one you can't control as well as many others.

It is definitely a factor that limits and makes things more difficult, but it's not nearly as important as if you were a woman. It can be overcome by being stronger in other areas.

CruiseCruise · 2014-09-14T00:24:55+00:00

Bottom line, looks matter, but they're not the only thing that matters.

Anybody that says differently is trying to manipulate you for some reason or justify why they feel like a loser.

whatsazipper · 2014-09-13T20:55:28+00:00

A good face is an asset in all areas of life. People trust you for no reason, they like to interact with you, they're friendlier in general; in short, it helps open all social doors. There's no doubt about it.

However, if you want to make a woman horny, muscles trump face. It's best to have both, but there's no doubt if it were one or the other that jacked body trumps handsome face.

As with anything, maximize what you have, take good care of it, improve it. Facial aesthetics, once your body fat is low and your skin clear, are unfortunately something that's mostly genetic.

What makes a handsome face is pretty much all bone structure and proportions. These will not change, but can be hidden by fat or bad skin.

Interestingly enough, for men, I think it really comes down to the structure and proportions. I was in a car accident and ended up with scarring, and beat up nose, but I still regularly get compliments for my face. So be careful with insecurities - you might not even be assessing the right criteria to begin with.

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idontcareifyouburyme · 2014-09-13T21:56:07+00:00

My face is 98% in alignment with the Golden Ratio. Within the last 3 years I gained a lot of weight (100 lbs) and now losing (75 lbs). I never really appreciated what things were like when I was a good weight but I do now. It's really not fair. Since I've been losing weight, not only do I get a shit ton of compliments, people just like to gaze at me and smile. When I was younger I always wondered why people stared at me. When I was overweight people tried hard not to look. Now, people gaze as though they're looking at a prince in a Disney movie. Just yesterday, a girl who looked like Janeane Garofalo (who I've always thought was actually pretty fucking hot) offered to let me cut her in line (repeatedly)... in the express lane... Also, people who don't normally say hi say hi. Girls (and some guys now that I think about it) blush and flutter their eyelashes when talking to me. Which is cool because it gives me power (and it's easier to persuade them to things). I guess a good face can disarm someone. I definitely see that now. Honestly, it's a completely different experience, brother.

beepbeepwow · 2014-09-14T02:39:10+00:00

Have you seen Jay-z or Usher?

Title	How necessary is a good face?
Author	TitanLooksss
Upvotes	20
Comments	72
Date	September 13, 2014 6:17 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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