I always thought I was alpha until graduation of college.

Baylien2 · 2014-12-11T20:16:55+00:00

Welcome to the real world where shit isn't given to you, it's earned.

tombreck2 · 2014-12-11T20:04:04+00:00

You're back at the bottom. Now status is no longer given to you (being on a sports team or in a frat). You have to earn your status(backstage passes, VIP parties, free tickets to events) through befriending high status men and learning from them. Then the women will follow and eventually you can become a high status man.

JakofClubs · 2014-12-11T21:13:15+00:00

Exactly, in college it was easy to have a social life with nearly zero effort. College is the best day-game venue in the world. After college, day-game means going to libraries, co-ed sports, shopping malls, joining clubs, etc. You're going from a looks-based, "free pass" because of athletics & frat game to a game that involves talking girls up and one of the largest challenges is meeting them in the first place. America offers very little social life outside the bar/club scene. There are no more barn dances, ice cream socials, etc. Some guys go so far as joining a church.

CastratedBetaOrbiter · 2014-12-11T22:58:08+00:00

30+ girls by age 23? I'd say you're doing better than 99.9%+ of guys already.

I also find it hard to believe that someone like you would have trouble meeting women. This sounds like a brag thread.

reddiforlove · 2014-12-11T23:05:30+00:00

You weren't alpha, you were in the lucky sperm club, though there is some overlap between the two.

That you're realizing those hard truths about yourself on your own and showing enough humility and intelligence to try to correct them says a lot. The good news is that your natural state of being was enough to get you in almost 3 dozen vaginas in under a decade, that is nothing to sneeze at. There is definitely a bright future for you if you continue down the rp path.

Reading some of your responses here, it seems like you think jealousy and other forms of mental weakness are valid excuses for not doing what is best for yourself in the long run. The most important thing you can do is realize that paying your dues now by "getting scraps," is the only way you are going to be able to set yourself up for getting the prime rib in the future.

Most guys your age who are trying to have it all immediately will crash and burn, and will end up setting themselves back in life, and paying those dues at an older age. You meet a lot of these guys in post-grad education.

Also, don't choose between building friendships and learning how to be a lone wolf, dedicate yourself to being versatile. That "wolfpack mentality" of using other guys as a crutch is what got you here in the first place, you need to learn to stand as a man on your own, but building friendships is also extremely important. Basically, it all boils down to breaking this association you have with needing other guys to get girls. A social circle is a powerful tool, but if you end up moving or all your wingmen get married, you're going to be SOL if you don't know how to get girls alone.

Onemanwolfpack23 · 2014-12-12T08:33:26+00:00

Life is more than the job you have, the women you sleep with, what you own, how much money you have. Your problem is you are constantly measuring yourself against other people's standards. What do you want? Why do you want it? What is wrong with the options you have now? Bang older women, work on yourself. Don't dedicate yourself to getting pussy that is just a different form of putting it up on a pedestal.

GolfEnt · 2014-12-11T21:45:37+00:00

Even the greatest pack animal needs to know how to be the lone wolf from time to time. You're making too big a deal out of not having your boys around. You're alone, rock it, go up to some bitches and chat it up.

omgimbackagain · 2014-12-11T22:00:06+00:00

Really good honest self reflection. Kudos to you.

omanisherin · 2014-12-11T23:19:09+00:00

Regarding developing personality: Being younger and fresh out of college, you will find personality grows with life experience pool (not the same as charisma).

I recommend becoming an experience junky (always try new things), do community service where you interact with the public (better understanding of the range of the human experience), and reading books that have ideas you have never encountered (Shambhala-The-Sacred-Path-Warrior ISBN-13: 978-1590304518). <- Chogyam has closed for me several times.

NakedAndBehindYou · 2014-12-12T00:30:21+00:00

Do the same shit that everyone else in TRP does: lift and get fit, learn how to hold frame, learn game, build self-confidence, etc.

monsieurhire2 · 2014-12-12T02:46:23+00:00

Dude, you'll be fine. You're young, athletic, tall, and have a high-paying job? You've actually gotten women? You're several thousand miles ahead of 99% men your age. Athletic and academic achievement required hard work and character, now all you need is polish.

My suggestions: start reading on a wide range of subjects and become informed about as many as you can. Take up various hobbies. Learn a foreign language. Learn to dance. Make yourself more interesting. This should be fun. Also, don't worry if X or Y girl reject you; plenty more where they came from. They're just practice.

Movonnow · 2014-12-11T20:28:05+00:00

I realized I have no personality, and lately have been getting used by women. Dates and drinks no success. I thrived in a wolfpack mentality with my boys and now that I don't have any it seems women are eating off the weak link.

You are the kind of superficial guy I've been hating during my whole teenage years. Thanks for your message. I was right : those dumb asses with big muscles and girls really are no one. (Nothing against you in particular)

But anyway, I know how to decelop one's personnalité and you know hot to build muscles, lets trade knowledge ;)

Nerf_Circus · 2014-12-11T22:43:09+00:00

I've found that reading a book out loud helped me find a personality, a voice. I'd recommend it for anyone who has had this issue. It helps to get things out, which will make it easier for you to find that character that has been repressed inside of you.

boscoist · 2014-12-11T23:16:58+00:00

Really? only in the 30s as an athlete/frat guy. I did nearly as well as a fucking shut in engineer. I did learn to lone wolf after missing out my freshman/sophomore year mostly. TIL frats teach bad game that works only while in the frat/banging sluts.

dinkle_bergg is right though, you need to have a couple shows in common with most people so you can have an easy connection.

Most importantly you have to stop being a pussy when you go out alone. Do you dress well? A lone guy in a t-shirt won't get noticed ever, a well dressed man in a button-down will be much more successful when approaching women and has the side effect of intimidating the shit out of men as well. The beta boys never step up when you make a move on their "friend."

word to the wise, don't buy girls drinks at the bar, dates should never consist of drinks, meal dates should never be fancy places or chains. Always choose local good food that is convenient for you.

Ududude · 2014-12-12T00:05:43+00:00

How do you dress?

Do you honestly have no hobbies?

You're probably in a city. Get into the music scene.

watersign · 2014-12-12T01:44:57+00:00

well are you trying to get laid or trying to find a meaningful relationship?

jerrytheman1998 · 2014-12-12T03:57:31+00:00

Don't do any of the shit you talked about. Fuck the idea of getting women for now, focus on YOURSELF. Workout. Make money. Get a cool hobby. Particularly a hobby that leaves you with something to show for your time and effort.

cheesymold · 2014-12-12T04:45:31+00:00

Alot of bad advice. The fix is simple. You have to become your own self sustaining wolf pack aka you. While people may not advocate this approach. I would hands down go solo. I've pulled countless hot women by my own swagger. The problem is you don't have it right now. How do you get it? Workout before you hit the night scene. Feeling good and horny is half the battle .Warm up socially with other loners or approach strangers and be open to and non judgemental to the people you speak with. After warming up you'll lose the fear and will free to express yourself to ... that hot chick you want to fuck. You will then get laid. Source : me I'm awesome and Ive gone through what you have. Good luck and take action soldier.

Seuguh · 2014-12-12T01:08:17+00:00

Damn, some real shitty advice in this. Don't suck up to nobody and learn to be your own man. WOlfpack this, wolfpack that. Fuck that, be the one man wolfpack and get people attracted to who you are. Why do you have to be in a pack anyway? just do your own thing, fuck being at the bottom of the pack.

Your boss can put you in your place by pulling out a credit card?? You're measuring yourself by the amount in your wallet, not the content of your character. Learn to be the savage wolf too savage for a pack. Hang with the old heads and bond a bit, but always leave very early because you have to go do something "lift, finish reading a book, somebody to go visit" etc. That will make you seem high value. "He's too cool to be measuring dicks with the bosses all the time, he's got his own shit to do".

dinkle_berrg · 2014-12-11T20:39:52+00:00

Well, if you want to help shape your personality, my advice to you is to consume content. Find a netflix series you enjoy, and watch episodes at your leisure. A new favorite series of mine is called "lily hammer".

Also, read books. If you live in a larger town or city, chances are you have a good library nearby, especially if you are in a city. Rent books for fucking free, then read them. Or, if you're like me, buy them and build your own library.

However , media related content isn't the only kind of content you should peruse. In addition to programs, movies, podcasts, articles, and books, you should try absorbing experience from events. Try something new. Start cycling , learn a language on duolingo, do a sport with a ball, go to events. The last one is big. Try and get out there. Perhaps a concert you'd like to see, or a big night at a nearby hangout. Bring a buddy...or don't. Just consume content, interpret that knowledge and then you'll find yourself a more cultured interesting person as you reiterate what you've learned in your own special way.

The main idea here is to culture yourself with a variety of media. Find hobbies, become opinionated, make friends , and see where it takes you. Good luck.

hur1n · 2014-12-12T21:26:04+00:00

I have a high finance job which is key but only older women see its value not girls my age.

From an RP perspective, how is that key?

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Title	I always thought I was alpha until graduation of college.
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Date	December 11, 2014 7:51 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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