I never had as many problems with women as with men

dat_guy_11 · 2016-09-13T18:50:07+00:00

What OP is trying to get at is that the BP men are not just an epidemic for women and dangerous to themselves they're are equally as dangerous to us men as a whole.

Just using a recent TRP post as an example one man was complaining that he was changing after taking the red pill and that he's friends became unsupportive, he attributed it to the crab in the bucket mentality. What OP is alluding too is that BP men are so widespread that most of his problems aren't with women but having friends that are positive and of equal value. Not specifically financially but friends who have worth aside from just getting pussy, friends that he can share life with.

This is not wrong because as humans we are social creatures, having a couple of close friends that are male who innately understand your struggle and are actively working on themselves is getting harder and harder. Op is now a man but he's forced to interact with boys, fundamentally this just doesn't work. His mind and their minds operate on two different levels and one can't be emotionally healthy without a good support system.

Essentially as OP elevates through life by becoming a man. He's finding that his problems with women have been auto corrected but the biggest problem has revealed itself, it's hard to form relationships with BP men because they don't want to elevate because they don't find anything wrong with their current situation.

kjs537 · 2016-09-13T18:19:57+00:00

Isn't this rant exactly why the Red Pill stresses valuing yourself and self improvement? The Red Pill isn't about women suck but that people are unreliable and all the fantasies we have in our head about people we think we can trust are not true and they are not going to be there for you when you need them the most. The Red Pill is about valuing yourself and being ok with going at it alone and not putting your hopes and dreams into people who will not be able to live up to your lofty expectations. All you can do is put high expectations on yourself and work your ass off everyday to live up to those expectations. The shitty friends you had will fade into the background and you will attract the right supportive people into your life when you put faith in yourself and not others. New people in your life become complimentary to your life goals and not your whole life which what happens with blue pill thinking and living for others and not for yourself. When you learn to love and value yourself you don't have time to waste on shitty relationships in general not just with women.

magikmausi · 2016-09-13T21:41:49+00:00

This sub tends to hate women too much. I'll tell you that some of my fiercest supporters and cheerleaders have been women.

Women, as sisters, friends or mothers, will fight far harder for you than most men will. That's the truth. If their mothering instincts kick in for you, they will go apeshit protecting you.

HAL-9OOO · 2016-09-13T19:43:31+00:00

I come from the old school perspective that a man's word is his bond, and a handshake is clad in iron...

But this is a fools notion in todays world, I can not tell you how fucking angry it makes me that a man you made a deal with will suddenly reconsider the deal or worse yet tell you he discussed a done deal with his wife and he wants to change it.

It's fucking disgusting. It's like trying to do business with children.

You do get the real deal high integrity men though, but it's getting rare.

CasualCocaine · 2016-09-13T19:24:28+00:00

Its because most of the men my age (20's) are fucking pussies. They have no responsibility, and they are turning into privileged little girls. They think flaking is cool (makes them more wanted), they gossip and back bite, they fear confronting a problem, etc. They are quite literally turning into women. Im glad I woke the fuck up a couple years ago, cut the trash out of my life, and starting working/school. Fuck partying when you can be grinding and making something of your self.

statface21 · 2016-09-13T23:31:05+00:00

BP men are worse then women

TrumpRules2016 · 2016-09-13T17:57:51+00:00

This is actually a very interesting post that has me thinking right now.

_TheUglyDuckling_ · 2016-09-13T20:09:53+00:00

Mangina = Woman, maybe even worse.

Stythe · 2016-09-13T20:41:56+00:00

Most men are useless nowadays. The best thing you can do is be your best self, uphold the morals you choose and live the way you want while learning to filter others for similar qualities. You do attractive t those who are like minded, but you will also attract shitry people. That's where holding onto your own morale comes into play. It's so you have a point of reference when decided who is worth your time.

HectorHerisson · 2016-09-13T23:01:49+00:00

Blue pill is a western epidemic and its most defining attribute is a lack of integrity and honour. That affects other men probably even more than it does women. Sons are raised without a father or by a blue pill father who fails to pass on these basic qualities.

We could talk a lot more about it in RP circles but I think it would be pointless because everyone and their dog already think there is something wrong with modern man, even if they can't identify the cause. We talk a lot about women and their shortcomings because the mainstream puts on women on a pedestal, girls are made of sugar and spice and everything nice and all that bullshit.

King_Webb · 2016-09-13T23:09:31+00:00

Three type of people in this world. Women. Men. Men who behave like women. Pussies, Dicks, and Assholes.

kremer5 · 2016-09-13T23:24:18+00:00

that's an issue of culture, not of men

KumonRoguing · 2016-09-13T23:28:15+00:00

As you reach higher and higher it will only become harder. Men are competitive, and when you are dealing with lowly blue pill ones they will do anything to undermine your success.

YungBoi16 · 2016-09-13T18:44:30+00:00

I agree 100%. Its better to have 5 real best bros then 100 fake ass friends.

MK_D · 2016-09-13T18:10:30+00:00

As I interpret your post, you seem to be saying you're doubting TRP because your relationship with women is better than your relationship with men?

If so, you are misinterpreting TRP values. We don't hate women and value men as lords of wisdom.

TRP is about understanding the relationship between females, alphas and betas.

AlerioX · 2016-09-13T21:20:41+00:00

Like I always say: treat bluepilled men like women. Neg them and don't take em serious. And friendships with bluepilled men are useless just like friendships with women are (mostly) useless. They won't be there for you when you need them the most.

Falc0n16 · 2016-09-13T19:00:54+00:00

This is a prime example of a ''clueless'(as Vankatesh Rao defines it in the Gervais principle) struggling to fit within the ''loser'' social dynamics and norms.

Achieving the state of amorality that defines a ''sociopath'' frees one from the trivial and empty social norms like ''having values'', ''keeping your word'',''respect'' and ''justice''. It makes you see the all those social constructs for the bullshit they are and allows you to manipulate them in your favor.

You should expand your dissmissal of the social construct of love, that the TRP mostly focuses on, to all the others.

If there is a path to success in this world ,I believe this is it.

Overkillengine · 2016-09-13T21:24:40+00:00

The Myth of Male Brotherhood is a hard one to let go of. It's a comforting belief.

Comfort is the Enemy that wears the face of friendship.

Never forget that everyone has their price. It is wisdom to vet ceaselessly and associate only with those whom have a very fucking high buyout point.

darkhindu · 2016-09-13T21:48:10+00:00

OP a lot of what you're saying is what Jack Donovan talks about in his book The Way of Men.

aanarchist · 2016-09-13T21:28:24+00:00

that says a lot about the company you keep, and about who you are as a person.

slothsenpai · 2016-09-13T22:16:15+00:00

Sure, I got bullied by guys growing up at school but during my 20s, it's mainly guys that have been supporting to me than women. Even the alpha/badboy types etc are more friendly towards me, they respect me (due to me having muscles), I can open up to them emotionally and they wouldn't judgement. Some women honestly give you the dirtiest look if you approach them or try to speak to them, they flatout ignore you or give you that look to "fuck off", they lose respect if you show any weakness/quirkiness etc. That's just my experience but if I'm being biased, women are a lot more vile to guys below their level than guys actually are towards guys below their level.

machimus · 2016-09-13T23:05:19+00:00

"The children now love luxury; they have bad manners, contempt for authority; they show disrespect for elders and love chatter in place of exercise. Children are now tyrants, not the servants of their households. They no longer rise when elders enter the room. They contradict their parents, chatter before company, gobble up dainties at the table, cross their legs, and tyrannize their teachers."

-Socrates

Make no mistake, it's always been like this. Don't blame it on a "shitty generation". Young guys have always been immature.

Ascended_One · 2016-09-13T23:09:24+00:00

A retarded title but I see your point - and I agree with most of it! It's something I've realized just recently too.

razormachine · 2016-09-13T17:58:05+00:00

You go on and on about flaky man, and yet you are the one who requires support?

WTF?

[deleted] · 2016-09-13T19:03:34+00:00

I'm glad your generation is full of men with no values who are flaky and lack the general qualities of a man.

That will give me room to operate, and fuck the women of your generation while you boys cry.

MTGOW and RP do not belong in the same sentence. They might both be prompted by the same realization, but the conclusions are totally different.

TheElite3740 · 2016-09-13T22:03:15+00:00

I've never had problems with men, only women.

Inb4 'are you gay'

aazav · 2016-09-13T23:02:18+00:00

Well, I don't date men, so that's not an issue.

G_Petronius · 2016-09-13T23:41:07+00:00

I think the whole MGTOW/RP perspective

There isn't a MGTOW/RP perspective. RP is male sexual strategy. MGTOW is checking from the sexual marketplace entirely. There might be some shared observations among the two groups, but that's where the similarities end.

Sure you can be affected by it if you had trouble with a woman, a breakup, basically anything...

You're not "affected" by an analytical framework, you either study it and determine that it's correct or not.

I feel the men of these generation have no values. They worship pussy and get pussy whipped easy, they are flaky and lack the general qualities of a man or someone who is on the way to that. Try to reflect that for a minute.

What should we reflect on? this elementary TRP covered in the sidebar.

Ive never been more flaked then by BP friends, they are the most unrealiable and unstable people ive ever met. Now that i have kicked out all of them i realize what an epidemic this really is. Were dealing with a generation of buthurt, boyish and immature for life men that run away from the path to become something better.

Again this is a basic RP observation, covered in the sidebar.

I see now most of my success with women comes from my character and my values and my point is if you wanna be a feminized, flaky and unresponible guy that hides behind "game" you will always be someone who will never overcome the gap between a boy versus the man.

As above.

If you become a man most of the problems you face with women will be automatically adressed. And its really not about women.

Read-the-sidebar.

And then ask yourself how many of your friends are really your friends. Do they practice a lot of negative talk? Do they place pussy over an evening with you?

Rtfs.

The fact that this thread is at +88 indicates there are at least 89 of you cunts who haven't read the sidebar and think this is innovative material. Read-the-fucking-sidebar.

Title	I never had as many problems with women as with men
Author	MK_D
Upvotes	91
Comments	59
Date	September 13, 2016 5:51 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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