Intersections: Groups of Alpha men vs Groups of Beta Men

MonkeysOnARock · 2017-10-22T22:19:02+00:00

step 1: dont bring that shit up step 2: ??? step 3: profit

whatsthisgarg · 2017-10-23T00:12:04+00:00

I have not experienced that, actually quite the opposite.

Next day she apologizes, but I'm still heated.

What the hell for? I think the problem is you and your reactions. And to start it all off, your actions:

So I step in and defend my son in a way that crushes her argument

You didn't crush her argument, she's going to continue to think whatever shit she wants, and I have no idea why you would engage in this way. Yes, "defending" your son, but let him learn the hard way not to have these stupid conversations. (Maybe he learned from you to have these stupid conversations?)

Just laugh this shit off. I just had a conversation with another guy about his Blue Pill friends calling him out and I described where I was talking stuff about Women drivers, no survivors! and got laughs instead of derision.

Read that post I linked and get back to me.

realcockadock · 2017-10-23T02:38:14+00:00

i agree with this. in my experience , a group of alphas can enjoy events/gatherings by having a mutual understanding of " each man is a ruler of his own domain " , and since everyone is on top of the game , no one is trying to compete, because there is no need to. enter a group of beta males , who subconsciously feel the need to live a never ending dick measuring contest of sorts, causing discomfort and problematic scenarios for all. "an alpha doesn't get in dick measuring contest, because the only dick that matters is his."

trplurker · 2017-10-23T12:48:01+00:00

A few things, first is that your wife was doing her job as your social manager and trying to pull you out before you did damage to your, and by extension her, reputation. That is why she messaged you instead of talking to you, she wanted to be supportive while also preventing bad shit from going down. Women are far more attuned to social signals then men are, that shit is a genetically built in super power for them. Don't be angry at her for doing her job, accept the fact that you misread the social situation and could of damaged your public image, which is something you want to keep. The reason you don't see these kinds of situations with groups of RP men is that, again, women are able to read the social cues and knows there is no danger to your reputation.

Women are women, they will follow their instincts and one of those is to protect their social value at all costs. Your social value is an extension of hers, the fact she was willing to help protect yours shows that she actually values and respects you.

The proper action wouldn't of been to argue with a harpy in a mixed and potentially dangerous situation, instead it would of been to call your son over using some mundane excuse, shift the subject and then when it's safe explain to him that he's future to try arguing with those women and to better protect his social image.

SgtBuchanon74 · 2017-10-23T04:02:03+00:00

I've just told her that if it is a beta event, I'm not going.

And you wonder where the fuck your son is getting this shit from? This has nothing to do with a beta group, and more to do with your son making an honest mistake (that he probably learned from you). Betas usually submit. Bottom line.

physicalbitcoin · 2017-10-23T03:27:42+00:00

Beta event. lol.

I've wasted hours of my life debating with idiots. They say arguing with a fool proves there are two. I would shut down conversations like that by shrugging and going "Yeah, I'm just minding my own business". If they persisted, I'd say "Hey, lets keep it light and frothy." If they still didn't stfu, I'd tell them it was wonderful meeting them but I had to go practice guitar at home.

I try to never take bait and never waste loosh on anyone. This is Westworld.

Bkblul · 2017-10-23T02:16:42+00:00

How old is your kid and what did he say. Might be time to teach him to keep his mouth shut.

What was there to gain by bringing it up, I find the best balance is when nothing is said. A submissive woman shouldn't need to be told to be submissive...

Herdsengineers · 2017-10-23T02:24:37+00:00

watch fight club with your son. explain the metaphors, the antifeminist msgs, then explain the first rule and why it's important.

fastnail · 2017-10-24T12:36:51+00:00

Chuckthundercock, These feminist moms who have captured their blue pilled beta cuck provider are attempting to shame your son into blue pilled beta cuck provider mentality...good on your son he can see through their feminazi bullshit and has a great red pilled dad to back him up.

Unfortunately, you are both a rare species.

Bambam22bam · 2017-10-24T13:38:01+00:00

You shouldn't be teaching your son to get in arguments like this. Especially in public. Especially with feminists. And you certainly win no points by "crushing" her argument. In fact, when you left, you probably left with a little more of a reputation of being an asshole (not in the good "game" way), which is not good for anyone.

Read 48 laws of power. Think as you want, do as others. No good will come to your son's life by training him to be some martyr for TRP principles. Look at society. Look where general consensus is going. His life would be a lot easier if You taught him manners and to know when to keep his mouth shut. Best to lead by example on that one.

coluorred · 2017-10-23T16:01:19+00:00

LOL! You upset the female social matrix and her standing in it. This particular event had a beta stink to it, so the prevailing female social matrix idea of conformity to it was to accept feminist BS. Your son was the brave lad stating that the FI emperoress has no clothes on. They wanted to believe in the FI so he was refuted by their ego investments in perpetuating their system of female superiority.

Have your son say whatever he wants, but be aware of the social dynamics of the female social matrix. Next time you want to point out the emperoress has no clothes do it in a more covert way using game skills and use the FI PC language to your advantage. Invoke feelings and not logic.. logic just upsets the hive.

FerrusMan · 2017-10-23T15:35:43+00:00

My young son gets into what is a very RP debate with one of the moms<<

I think you need to have a sit down with him over this, and how much of a waste of time this is for both him and whoever he is arguing/talking with. A good life lesson on what happens when you argue with idiots, or how you cannot convince someone about red pill. (they have to discover it themselves more or less)

The other thing, you are allowing your frame to be broken when surrounded by the beta party. Agree and amplify is the usual go to when in doubt of how to handle something. "Your still heated", sounds like when we read this, "your still butthurt". Not trying to insult you are make you mad, but that's how it reads. Your refusal to go to another beta party...you don't know how to handle the shit tests? Maybe throw out some example shit tests you are dealing with.

I've never minded going to a beta party. The IOI's alone from all the women are worth it.

Abnull · 2017-10-23T17:47:22+00:00

I would expect you wife to be more attracted to you after seeing you compared to these betas.

Remember, you hold the frame of the situation. If your wife is normally submissive, she will also submit to your emotions. Maybe you are the problem?

It is not impossible to dislike beta guys, not because they are bad and lazy people, but because they remind you of what you used to be.

I don’t know, I don’t know your situation. But I do know that you as the leader, define the context and how your wife should feel. If you don’t enjoy hanging with betas, nether will she.

MentORPHEUS · 2017-10-23T19:09:32+00:00

My young son gets into what is a very RP debate with one of the moms about women's roles and how toxic feminism has ruined the prospect of women who don't want to work.

Really? This reads like TRP Fanfic.

stop upsetting people, I'm being loud.

"Honey, you're losing frame and starting to Talk About Fight Club!"

She follows of course with kids in tow and we go back and forth on the way home which just turns into me ending the conversation.

Discussing this while the matter is still heated and with the kids in the car? Leadership fail on a few more levels here.

Beginner level: Provoke or antagonize a fight and leave a "beta group" in ignominy. Advanced level: Maintain frame, steer the "beta group" toward the direction you'd prefer (and that they'll find they already agree with) using the Socratic Method.

BIGPAR · 2017-10-22T22:41:29+00:00

What would you consider a "beta event" and an "alpha event"?

slickmizzle · 2017-10-23T23:47:50+00:00

Stop being such a chode and allowing these "toads" to effect your mood. By arguing with your S/O you ultimately lose the shit test. Ignoring is the best method usually.

waldo888 · 2017-11-26T16:52:57+00:00

I think shes letting you know that you are degrading yourself by entertaining a discussion with these people. And you are/were. Smile and laugh it off you're s/o was covertly telling you that these people need to be handled with kid gloves.

Title	Intersections: Groups of Alpha men vs Groups of Beta Men
Author	chuckthundercock
Upvotes	39
Comments	36
Date	October 22, 2017 9:58 PM UTC (8 years ago)
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