Interview with Whisper - WORLD EXCLUSIVE!

dr_warlock · 2021-07-18T20:24:44+00:00

Worth every second. I took some notes while listening to this. There are many subjects to address that could be there own post.

Participants

Whisper: Full of well articulated wisdom from an elder. You just sit at the campfire, shutup and let the elder speak. Hits the root causes from a rational approach that clearly comes from his computer background. Just deep speeches that make you pause and speechless like a hard hitting philosophy section that takes time to process. He mistook the pauses as lost of signal connection lol.

RealJoeDee: A good moderator, good at steering the conversation in the right direction and organizing events, something I can personally confirm from meeting him. He helps create the verbal mediums to express the TRP ideas to compliment the writings.

itiswritten: From private conversation I can tell he has the skill and experience to be qualified for his elevated position specifically with the on the fly speaking skills of GayLubeOil, the youth to help relate to the younger generations with the writing skills to strengthen the message.

These discussions in audio format are a great compliment to the writings. Something you can't replicate with the pen so to speak.

Male Space

This podcast is what I believe the male clubs of the past 1000's of years accomplished. Men of completely different backgrounds and social status came together to discuss a plethora of subjects in depth. No quick long distance methods of contact to remind them to attend just word of mouth and the desire for discovery drew them. Every movement, every revolution, every rebellion, every renaissance comes down to a group of men meeting in common purpose with equal passion undisturbed by women and law enforcement (both of which seek to keep the status quo, discourage change). Math, science, and philosophy in school houses. Politics, religion, culture, at government buildings. Revolutions and rebellions in abandoned sites. Or shooting the shit to enjoy each other's company at cigar lounges.

To really appreciate this drive to meet and discuss you have to look at the living conditions of the far past. All communication was in person or weeks apart via letters, not even a telegraph. No source of entertainment outside public dance performances, an orchestra, or a yearly holiday feast. There was a time you couldn't even read a book to pass the time. Up until the printing press, books were rare handscribed items only the church possessed or the wealthy could afford or even be taught to translate. No cars, just your feet, horseback, or days in a horse carriage. Maybe many show to the meetup, maybe they don't, life pace was much slower and more of an adventure.

Read books on early Christianity like St. Jerome and you'll see that even MEN huddled in secluded deserts to practice piety and asceticism kept in contact to discuss enlightenment via long essay letters written with feathers dipped in ink every couple words with no erasers illuminated by torches and candle light ("burning the midnight oil"). Then sent with no copies where the recipient would respond in essay format and forward the letter they received to others they knew, having multiple arguments simultaneously that spanned years. Read older books 1970 and older before writing for profitability and copyrights and electronics was really possible and you'll notice the much deeper, deliberate, and sincere tone.

The most recent modern equivalent was the internet from early 2000's and before where it was the wild west, not the commercialized repetitive, censored, dumbed-down pile of dogshit the internet has become.

TOPICS DISCUSSED IN PODCAST

1) Subs Origin

RealJoeDee and Whisper were talking about how this place came to be via the collapse of the Seduction subreddit that succumbed to outside pressure to police the tone and material. PkAtheist, whisper, pimpinlarge? And others felt something was off.

"Recognizing something is a lie is not the same as finding out the truth" - whisper

They didn't claim to know the answers, they just knew they had to create an environment that fosters discussion and then innovation would spark. And boy did it do just that. Fucking pioneers. Revolutionary. Look at how young men during the 90's thought about the movie Fight Club, a time before internet and cellphones and identity politics. It hit them hard in the feelz they never could put to words but felt for a long time. The DVD was passed around the country where boys started their own fight clubs to tap into this philosophy the movie presented, the only thing in their lives that seemed to address the shortcomings of society guiding male purpose. That's how TRP was in its formative years: genuine curiosity, share notes, high quality.

Seduction, roosh, roissy, (old) bodybuilder misc forums, they touched on it and started the movement, but TRP forked and tapped into something so much deeper. People often don't come to find out how to get pussy, they come just to hang out and talk shit, be vulgar, and speak freely and honestly without shaming, something not available in most men's lives. Sex is just the medium common to us males that we use to relate.

2) "The best way to know what a girl thinks about you is to touch her"

A picture is worth a thousand words, a woman's reaction to a man's touch is worth a million. Such a simple act validates or rejects everything prior to it in an instant. The mating ritual, which is for WOMEN, is initiated with conversation and body language. A non-intrusive method to gauge and induce sexual interest. But words are cheap, even compliments and promises. It's the ACTION, the sale that matters. And the medium by which a man gets there... is touch. Women are sex. They are reproduction, the fuckee, it's their primary purpose. It's their identity. They are VERY sensitive to the perceived access to their sexuality (ie how, when, and who touches them). Sex is their value as a person. They believe its a gift, a privilege they bestow upon a man as reward for behavior beneficial to the female. That's why a man 'takes' a girl's virginity (Identity & possession). It does not matter if she's a slut, all women tell a story to themselves that they are good girls. Rationalize any and all things that intrude on that self-image. So when you touch her, you'll see how far you've made it in the mating ritual. It's a powerful indicator. With experience you learn how to interpret the reaction positive, neutral and negative.

3) Modern Psychology

There will never be mainstream institutional confirmation of female sexuality that is practical for men (discussed later). Business psychology is the ONLY 100% valid discipline. Everything has already been hashed out, the rest is for politics, deception and page views. Sigmund freud, Skinner, Maslow, Zimbardo, sales, data analytics, are put into practice everyday to make companies trillions (IE facebook, amazon, and apple). Censorship, invading spaces with sabotage agents (forgot actual term), AI bots, search engine algorithms, surveillance programs, etc are all applications of these discoveries with the government and corporations. Any pop psychology that does not involve business and mind control after the 1960's is pseudo intellectual bullshit or indoctrination paid for by government and corporations to report findings convenient to their agenda. They'll even outright lie and obfuscate. They experiment to VALIDATE their agenda, not to discover the truth. Anything 'scientific' involving psychology, drugs, food, race ('minorities'), and the female gender is a victim of this. Think sugar vs fat and carbs in the food guide pyramid for the food industry. Think black statistics in education and crime (America) or Arabs/Muslims and Africans in crime/rape (Europe). Think women literally any in field tech/STEM/CEOs/wage gap/cancer/rape/intelligence statistics, etc. Keeping you unhealthy, divided among yourselves, and men self-crippling themselves and slaving for women is the most profitable and any findings that suggest to the contrary is racist, sexist, 'ableist', immoral or some other -ist.

Female Sexuality? How did neckbeards on fringe forums discover more about female sexual psychology and its practical application in a few years but decades of 'research' by PHDs and MDs with millions in funding didn't find a damn thing? Because men on an individual level seek efficiency in the sexual pursuits however delusional their methods are. From "Hi" to smash in 3 seconds flat. HOWEVER, government and corporations, the entities that fund these studies, have the complete opposite agenda. They wish to make the male sex strategy as inefficient as possible via law, propaganda, indoctrination, and lack of KNOWLEDGE. Creating as many road blocks as possible for profit. Like a toll booth on a highway or license for a business. Completely unnecessary but they want to tax you every step of the way. Media will encourage female sexual liberation but never teach men how to access that sexuality efficiently.The male sex drive is the.... driver of ALL economies. It is what allows women, the leading consumers and financial decision makers, the ability to spend. Men finance and support women directly or indirectly via purchases, marriage, taxes, and critical infrastructure/services. All discourse and business centers around them, caters to them, or made feelz-safe for them.

For more information, look up Edward Bernays and the series "Century of the Self" (Red Pill Video Compilation Nuke), Coca cola and christmas (RPVCN), Debeers and Diamonds (RPVCN), sugar industry, and Rockefellars & medicine, wage gap myth, and "gender studies is nonsense" on the sidebar.

Protocol_Apollo · 2021-07-18T12:38:43+00:00

Good interview.

Would love to see u/HumanSockPuppet and Whisper doing an interview.

Blackshateasian · 2021-07-18T18:28:45+00:00

Long time EC here. Whisper is a goldmine of information and it was great to hear him speak. Thank God he isn't an upspeaking soprano

p3n1x · 2021-07-18T17:41:22+00:00

This is a must-listen too for those on that borderline of "anger" and moving on to being a better version of yourself. Absolute pearl bombs for those needing the evidence to move on into acceptance and harmony with yourself.

Bad habits do not equate to personality.
A personality disorder doesn't mean permanent toxicity or an inability to "change/grow".
That Narcissistic Personality Disorder is what a lot of guys love to fuck (crazy chick sex) and involve themselves with. This will make you understand how she slowly creates false tranquility and traps you over time, while wrecking your self-esteem and turning you into a servant.
Don't forcefully look for that happiness, get better and let the 'good' things gravitate to you. Don't lie to yourself about that ho over there out of loneliness and desperation.

This talk is for those guys that have lost hope or are stuck in a loop with TRP teachings. 51 min mark on is HUGE for anyone looking for solidifying that next "phase" of understanding.

Soooo much more. Bravo!

stoicranger · 2021-07-18T11:15:38+00:00

Part of why the academic fields of psychology and sociology are behind TRP is the fact that they have to consider the ethical part of experimenting. Not ethical in the sense of what's 'good' and 'bad' in regards to mating strategies, but rather in terms of surveillance, participant selection and the consequences of the outcomes. We don't care about that.

i-am-the-prize · 2021-07-26T17:53:46+00:00

31:45

"...we do that on purpose, to stoke that anger [in new members] a little bit, to focus that anger, to create that - in order to build up enough momentum to overcome the deep and abiding protective instinct that men have toward women.... their [mens'] protective instincts are being exploited by women who do not care for them"

that line above, and the post by Horns: https://archive.is/Debjj

"Your wife holds a trump card you don’t want to admit she has, but you both know it. Take her card and burn it. Otherwise, you will fail.That card? Your nuclear family."

Are, for a married man finding RP more powerful than first appear.

Also from HoA's post:

"/u/DrBeaufort, he said this - My internal dialogue was that I would normally never let someone treat me this way, but in this case my infant son and struggling wife needed my help, so I couldn't leave or set any boundaries. I felt trapped."

I had thoughts similar to this, but it was with 4 actual kids in my home and a nasty spouse in my face. My self created prison viz honor and duty were my ball and chain. But what I lost along the way was my duty to myself. RP provides that reminder, you are your longest LTR.

I eventually found my way to a non-sex-centric "FMOFY" statement on my own, and I'll never forget the clarity and concise exchange, knowing in my core it wasn't a bluff. I have never been the same since.

And back to Whisper's PoV: it did take anger to spark me, so do not fear the anger stage, just don't waste it on anything other than making the emotional energy into kinetic for your own best outcome and life.

Thank you all for taking the time to put that interview online.

guywhoisambitious · 2021-07-30T19:28:21+00:00

One of the best podcast episodes of any podcast I’ve ever listened to. If there was only 1 person to represent the entirety of TRP, it would be Whisper. He has great knowledge and wisdom, is able to stay objective and balanced, and communicates his ideas clearly and effectively.

hammerhearth · 2021-07-17T20:24:20+00:00

Whisper is such a class act. As soon as he started talking I knew he was worth listening to. He's my all time favorite here

PepinoSF · 2021-07-18T22:54:54+00:00

Grreat interview. The moment he said academics are behind us because the not experimenting, i started to wander whether secret services are also behind us? There must be some cia handbooks or at leeast instruction on how to take on women and get them to do what the agent wants

sepan5 · 2021-07-18T01:22:24+00:00

Is it available in any podcast platform?

Angry_runt · 2021-07-20T09:35:12+00:00

I didn't listen to this because I don't have time now but I skimmed over other interviews on that channel and I noticed something. None of of the guys in these interviews look like they lift or have an impressive physique.

Now it's my opinion that lifting is of very limited use for raising your SMV, but I was surprised given how much emphasis TRP puts on lifting that almost no one here looks like they practice what they preach.

RStonePT · 2021-07-22T13:06:22+00:00

Cool

MoneyCloudOperator · 2021-07-31T07:37:23+00:00

Great podcast just one question for u/Whisper or honestly for anyone with insight on this contradiction that I’ve come across here.

During this podcast, u/Whisper talked about how women with cluster B personality traits or people who thought they possessed a specific personality were actually just products of bad habits that have been constantly reinforced and that it is possible to change those traits overtime and essentially become a new and better person.

On the flip side, there is literature as well as research backed evidence that women with high n-counts (habitual promiscuity) tend to be poorer women for LTR because they are prone to cheating and infidelity as well as disloyalty.

If we are to accept that bad behavior and personalities are the products of suboptimal habit formation and those habits can be changed overtime, wouldn’t it also follow that women who ride the CC could be reformed into relationship material girls with proper behavioral and habit forming training?

It’s unrealistic to expect most women in this age to be low n-count which means the majority need major reformation in terms of what is acceptable behavior. However, a constant phrase you’ll hear a lot on this forum is that a woman’s past is essentially her present and future actions and that you can’t turn a hoe or a crazy bitch into a housewife.

With all that being said my question is this: would it be better to judge women based on past sexual behavior as an indicator for present and future behavior and assign them a maximum possible rank from the jump (level0=ONS; level1=plate; level2=FWB), or should effort be made to reform the woman and her poor habits and behaviors first (provided that she is being submissive and is receptive to accommodating your needs and meeting your standards) and then re-evaluate whether or not she can ascend to the highest ranking of level3= girlfriend later.

I know that question sounds spergy(because it kind of is) but it’s mainly the contradiction I’m trying to clear up where we say it’s possible to reform yourself as a human being based on forming the proper habits but on the same breath a lot of people say “you can’t turn a hoe into a housewife”.

If the former were true(being able to change based on repeating the same optimal behaviors over time) then wouldn’t it stand to reason that hoes have potential to be housewives? Or is this one of those nuanced areas where because we, as men, lack the solipsism that women exhibit we are more readily and honestly able to self reflect on ourselves objectively and make changes that a women would not otherwise be able to make without the boundary reinforcing stimulus prompting her to think “he doesn’t like when I do that thing, so I’ll stop doing that thing”.

Thanks.

Title	Interview with Whisper - WORLD EXCLUSIVE!
Author	RealJoeDee
Upvotes	80
Comments	41
Date	July 16, 2021 5:07 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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