My Experience as Being direct VS indirect

atifhere · 2018-04-07T10:22:29+00:00

Sex for women is mostly validational. You might be making her wet by telling her how badly you want to fuck her, but in that way she have already gained what she wanted and now there is no need for her to fuck you.

There is no right answer to it. You have to approach her and set the context that the exchange is sexual in nature, and nothing else. You don't want to be her friend, you are only interested in her sexually. But at the same time you have to make her know that not any girl can satisfy you, and she would be lucky to do so. And she gotta fuck you hard to prove that.

All this don't have to be conveyed through direct words. Its through your frame

1dondraper · 2018-04-07T09:34:33+00:00

People read "don't show your interest" and "don't chase" as instructions to be a shy, aloof asshole who just drives the girls away with his stupid games.

This isn't bad advice, but you have to be a double edged-sword. Focus on yourself and your amazing life and also showing uncontrollable sexual interest towards your girls. Constantly keep them guessing.

TheOriginalBigApp · 2018-04-07T14:08:13+00:00

It's amazing how effective it is when, after the initial pleasantries and small talk becomes boring, you directly ask "wanna fuck"?

[deleted] · 2018-04-07T12:19:01+00:00

That article covers a lot of what is discussed on this thread. What is apparent though is the initial reaction you get from a woman should dictate how you proceed. Having a girl say she wants to take it slow or worse “be friends first” is her way of keeping you around as an orbiter and any guy who buys into this bullshit is blue pill as fuck. But as the article suggests it is also about how the guy communicates with the girl. If he approaches with caution then he will probably get the above mentioned response by default, but if he makes it very clear from the start his intentions are sex then the girl could respond positively based on her initial attraction toward the guy. So you are correct. Be direct and cut your losses if she’s just not interested. No big deal. What you’re looking for are the ones who are.

smirk_addict · 2018-04-07T17:37:12+00:00

Great post but I don't think it's a one size fits all kind of a thing though. I'm a muscular black dude. If am dealing with non black women, going direct works for me once i've established some attraction. Or just having social proof. But i've had some women literally run away or make a defensive posture. So I have to able to "disarm" them first. If people perceive you as non-threatening or you are exactly someone's type then I think going direct is best. RSDTyler from real social dynamics always goes uber direct. But there is nothing threatening about his demeanor being a shorter balding white guy. No offense. If I did, or just went direct caveman I would get tasered or maced. You got to calibrate.

Still though, terrific post.

dustman83 · 2018-04-07T15:32:18+00:00

Very interesting article with some good points. With my experiences, I have tended to get better outcomes when I hide my cards. Women are truly messed up in the head and want to figure things out themselves. Its like they perceive you as high value if you don't let them know you are sexually interested. If you're telling em you want to knock boots right out of the gate, they'll most likely lose attraction to you since you have already validated their ego. Women always want what they can't have as well.

This direct tactic probably works the best at the club around closing time though when all the vodka crans, cosmos, and AMFs have kicked in.

bluedragon2388 · 2018-04-07T14:40:31+00:00

What would be an example of direct vs indirect?

Just something to wrap my head around

Fedor_Gavnyukov · 2018-04-07T17:45:12+00:00

god these comments are autistic as fuck. obviously he's not coming up to girls saying "hey wanna fuck?", although it can work in certain situations. he's talking about being direct by making his intentions known and showing he's interested. instead of approaching like an autist he's approaching like a man.

GameAndGains · 2018-04-07T14:57:59+00:00

I’m surprised they even published that article.

It could be on the red pill side bar.

Why wasn’t this information taught in school, I will never understand.

ninoamatore · 2018-04-07T12:05:42+00:00

Men want to excite women. Women want men to excite them.

I think here we are talking about beta-men and beta-women. For alpha-men and alpha-women the situation is the opposite: Women want to excite men and men have more important things to do than to excite anyone.

ChadTheWaiter100 · 2018-04-07T17:07:48+00:00

Please provide an example of “being direct.”

How direct are you- do you walk up to a girl and say I want to fuck you? Do you introduce yourself and then say it? Do you just say something like - you have a nice ass? What’s a specific example? I’ve considered this approach based on some extremely suggestive looks I’ve recieved from women that I don’t even know.

StanDando · 2018-04-07T16:14:08+00:00

Direct vs indirect is an interesting debate, until it is resolved through experience. The above is false advice. Let me give a scenario. Say a man posts his experience of having much better results with direct versus indirect game.

For the first phase, when he was an economics student say, he was indirect in his approaches. It is hard yes, it takes a lot of investment to grow and to apply, and rejections can be a big let-down.

After he graduates, he gets an assistant-level job in a department of a prominent risk-management company. He still goes out and meets women, and he still uses indirect game. But the longer he is in the job, and going through the ranks, the less he feels the need to be indirect with women. Eventually, he just cuts out the game altogether, and approaches women asking to fuck them.

What has really changed here? He has gone from using game to not using game. He has also gone from a student to, eventually say, a CFO of a market-leading subsidiary, making upwards of 70,000 per annum. What has really changed, is his financial status. Now when he approaches women, they actually Do want to fuck him.

We could also paint a simpler scenario where the guy has been rich all his life, and the reason that he resorted to game in the first place is because he was very socially inept. That's not a criticism - its just what several who come to me for advice are like. Once they fix their social weaknesses, they instantly become more successful with women than the most experienced and skilful master out there - through money and social status alone.

Back to the poster - this is false advice; if you could just get sex by going up to women on the street and saying 'nice shoes, wanna fuck?', then no-one would be here talking about game.

When I share my 'secrets' and skills with other men, it is because I know that if they worked for me, theyll work for them. Therefor, its valid advice. If I'm Charlie Sheen and I give men the advice 'just go out of your door, turn left, find the first woman you meet, say hello, and fuck her', it's going to be useless for almost 100% of people reading it.

Im not busting your balls mate, its just bad advice. Even though I really like how you frame it as a male confidence thing, where we should all be honest about our sexual needs. I completely agree with that.

randomperson123321 · 2018-04-07T15:05:11+00:00

Seriously, the majority of people here should at some point realize a very simple fact...

Being indirect, manipulating and playing mind games are approaches used by weaker people in order to gain power and control over someone stronger. They are feminine traits, used extensively by women. That's just it.
Seeing through all these and calling them out is the most masculine approach, and gets women all wet.

samraat65 · 2018-04-07T16:30:22+00:00

how to apply in highschool:

fortuitousmonk · 2018-04-07T16:36:02+00:00

I was raised British which is a totally indirect communication style.

Fact is true too, sometimes being direct is very effective to open the door. However, you have to be direct when you want it. There's something to be said for indirect communication keeping the bullshit afloat.

As a man more or less terrified of commitment, to me being overly direct with any one partner would mean the worst -- life-and-death consequences :P

I have made out with random women before asking the question exactly as follows, "I'd like to have three kids some day, can you have three kids? Would you like to have three kids with me?" on one occasion that led to a make-out within maybe 2 minutes of meeting.

I have no idea why that works, but my Uncle gave me that advice and I thought it was so hilarious I felt like repeating it when out. Women usually take a moment or two to sincerely think and then they usually come back from their brain noggin' and say, "OK".

420KUSHBUSH · 2018-04-07T17:31:38+00:00

Being direct is when you don't care about the outcome and just take the risk of going for it. So be direct

fischbrot · 2018-04-07T18:11:41+00:00

hi there. care to share a sentence or two about your personal cave man style journey?

thanks for the insights ...

cheers

Captain-coldblood · 2018-04-08T03:07:11+00:00

Always always always be direct and be bold. Good post thanks for sharing.

Zormut · 2018-04-07T13:03:01+00:00

What are the changes you applied to your game that made it possible?

VickVaseline · 2018-04-07T19:09:11+00:00

I read an interesting article about this lately that made sense in regard to this:

https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/insight-therapy/201308/what-do-women-really-want

"Even watching sex among Bonobo monkeys stimulates physiological arousal in women."

Sublime!

danoranika · 2018-04-07T21:27:16+00:00

This is why not jerking off is good for game. Uncontrolled thirst can be a problem but skillful eye contact communicating primal lust captivates bitches.

luciagarcia8818 · 2018-04-07T22:10:07+00:00

So, when you stated your intentions clearly led to a clear development unlike an insidious approach?

STFUIDGAFUCK · 2018-04-08T12:56:52+00:00

Great post. Been thinking about the idea of being direct and show your intention early on. Do you have any example of you being indirect early on VS now being direct with the girls about your intention?

How exactly do you make it sexual early on and be honest with your intention?

Thank you !

zealanderx · 2018-04-08T22:31:32+00:00

But look OP-

You are cutting off the portion of women in which are the top 3% of women with this approach. When you tell a girl you barely know, first date status that you just, "want to fuck her"... you are in a way taking away all of your power.

The highest quality woman only fucks with men who can fuck women as hot or hotter than her. The highest quality woman screens man to be screening hot women for a quality, character and intelligent woman. By going direct just because this girl is cute, she knows you aren't shit. When you can show a woman that you are very sexually interested in her, that you are an aggressive and direct man... BUT you are also very carefully screening her to look for reasons not to fuck her, this is when your game sky rockets.

So as of now, you are screening out for girls who are just DTF, YOU AS YOU ARE RIGHT NOW- jn my opinion the equivelant of an AFC for cute girls. You are doing this rather than finding what in my opinion what the Red Pill is all about-

Getting the highest quality women,

If you are trying to get down and fuck a girl before you demonstrate your value, show her how cool you are or whatever... and she's down to fuck, this girl isn't shit and I wouldn't waste my time. You shouldn't either, if you want great things from a woman who can add value to you.

iSwallowedTRP · 2018-04-09T19:27:03+00:00

To echo your point, i noticed if I went to a club with my frame being, “escalate, escalate, escalate”, I’d hook up every night.

Do you have any suggestions or could you provide examples of the dialog in your last day game cold-approaches (failures and successes)?

potato_wizard123 · Sun Apr 8 0:24:26 2018 UTC

What the fuck? Are you guys serious? I am new to theredpill so forgive my ignorance of how y'all do things here.... But the way you guys talk about women make you sound like angry, basement-dwelling, borderline autistic creepos.

Maybe meet some women irl? And spend some time listening? Instead of assuming you know what they're thinking? Women are all different, just like men are. You all are making some pretty sweeping generalizations about an entire gender.

Don't y'all have mothers? Sisters? Damn, show some respect

Title	My Experience as Being direct VS indirect
Author	Yonski3
Upvotes	406
Comments	89
Date	April 7, 2018 8:36 AM UTC (8 years ago)
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