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"Needy men on the rise"

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March 8, 2014
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Title "Needy men on the rise"
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Upvotes 61
Comments 57
Date March 8, 2014 1:27 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–][deleted] 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

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[–]1PaulRivers10 52 points53 points54 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I like the part where the dating dynamic is oh-so different now than it was five or 10 years ago.

I suspect it is for her.

She's gotten older - and so have all of her friends. 10 years older than she was before.

When she was younger, more alpha-types were interested in her. Now that she's older, the only guys asking her out are the remaining betas. She tells herself "guys have changed", not acknowledging the reality that it's more that she's hit the wall, and yes - alpha men are less attracted to older women.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 58 points59 points60 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

When women write an article about relationships, they should be required to add "in my life" at the end of the title.

This article would be "Needy Men on the Rise in My Life"

Other recent articles would be:

  • Men Have Too-High Beauty Standards in My Life

  • Why Can't Women Have It All in My Life?

  • Too Many Men Cat-Calling in My Life

  • Why Have Men Stopped Cat-Calling in My Life

... and then these articles should be published in private diaries, discussed the next day with girlfriends over tea, and stay out of the media.

No one cares. Not every article needs to be about you.

[–]robesta 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Well said.

[–]Pushnikov 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nice observation.

[–]mydadispeterpan 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I also have a hard time believing anyone is beating down click bait's door. She's rather unpleasant looking.

Yeah, my first thought.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 37 points38 points39 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

This is what the world looks like from the cock carousel.

[–]Gfresh405 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I see your point. But you can't deny her's as well. As women have become more masculine, men have become more feminine.

[–]Humankeg 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I agree with this. There has always been push over guys in the work, but these days we are really experiencing what it's like when a large percent of the male population is like when raised by single mothers and no real father figure. I would absolutely agree that needy men are on the rise.

[–]Endorsed Contributornyrp 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Right. And because so many men are feminized, girls are choosing not to settle with them, thus more time on the cock carousel.

[–]czworooki 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Fuck the study, me and my friends know better".

[–]Gfresh405 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

today’s 20-something women are more focused on climbing up the career ladder and getting a decent salary by the time they’re 30, rather than worrying about how to ‘bag a man’.

Something tells me that's not going to work out to well for them when it comes time to find a man.

[–]christiefrontdrive 29 points30 points31 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Nothing will attract a quality alpha male to you like spending your life suppressing what he likes in women and exaggerating what he doesn't.

[–]Knight_of_autumn 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Hahaha, you can tell she's been out of college for a while. For every girl I know who is studying a worthwhile field I know ten who are going into teaching, boring office desk jobs and whatever the heck a psychology/philosophy/arts degree is going to get you these days (probably work as a waitress or store sales)

[–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Teaching is socially useful, at least.

[–]Knight_of_autumn 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Only if they are not teaching more boys to become BP men.

[–]watersign 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

lets just say, alot of cats are going to be living the good life in the future!

[–]Endorsed ContributorrebuildingMyself 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

lets just say, alot of cats are going to be living the good life in the future!

Bitching at the door hoping they'll sneak out when she opens it.

[–]watersign -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I like animals and think that more cats ought to live a better life. I'd rather the cats be pampered and well-taken care of than have half my shit taken away

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]Endorsed Contributor30303030303030 15 points16 points17 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

wait a second...

So women are not attracted to men feminism created?

we’re more worried about how to ditch the needy men asking us out

shocking

[–]Sufferix 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link

Is this the expression of male desire without frame? There's something currently on the front page talking about how men want to be needed. They're essentially asking to be needed instead of making themselves needed. I feel this sometimes too, and I feel really weird about it; almost guilty. I want my girlfriend to need me like crack for everything.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (27 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Sufferix 9 points10 points11 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

It is natural for men to provide, and to like providing, it's just the current societal structure is not conducive to that desire or the happiness that should come from providing.

The reason I suspect I feel guilty wanting her to need me is because I've been told that women should have their independence, that wanting to be needed is a female desire. I've learned however that wanting to be wanted is feminine, wanting to be needed is masculine.

Elucidation will not come. You can figure the implications in your own time.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]Sufferix 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Hyperbole mixed with your projections does make it seem like that.

[–]robesta 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

I agree with OP. I think you're looking for constant validation. Also, if she needs you for everything, she won't appreciate anything you do to help her, she'll expect it.

[–]Sufferix 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

The expectation would be set if I did everything per request by her.

[–]robesta 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You're assuming rationality from women. Good luck with that.

[–]_social_caterpillar 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

Men want a woman that worships them.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link

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[–]_social_caterpillar 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

No. Every time I want to make a statement I'm not going to write a novel that accounts for every single exception and variable there is. I'm not writing a research paper, I'm making an observation. If you disagree that's fine. Downvote and move on.

[–]JohnPeel 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

it's a new account and his first ever post in TRP.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]_social_caterpillar 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Educate yourself

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link

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[–]_social_caterpillar 18 points19 points20 points 12 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link

A woman with high SMV needing you is hot.
A woman with low SMV needing you is clingy as fuck.

A man with high SMV being sexually forward is hot.
A man with low SMV being sexually forward is creepy.

Make sense?

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

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[–]_social_caterpillar 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

Pathological neediness means mental/emotional problems and unmet needs from childhood. That lowers SMV in my book.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

So....an all around package is something to aim for eh?

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's exactly what my girl is!

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]_social_caterpillar 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Correct, but SMV is relative.

If I'm at a stage where I have complete abundance with women, and I have so much experience with them that I can see through their bullshit, then my SMV is way higher than hers. At that point even though she might have high SMV compared to her peers, I'll see her as being clingy as fuck because mine is way higher.

A needy cheerleader is an antisocial geek's wet dream. A needy cheerleader is clingy and annoying for the high school quarterback who can get anyone. The cheerleader's SMV didn't change at all. But its comparison with the male's is what makes the difference here.

[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Totally legit. If you guys ever experienced clingy needy girls, when just met, from an early point on: NO THANK YOU.

Emphasis indicates why this was even stated at all.

[–]watersign -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

If the girl is a 7 or higher, she is not considered clingy

[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

By stating this : You have no respect for yourself. Step your inner game up bro.

[–]watersign -1 points0 points1 point 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Lol..i dont really believe this but most guys will put up with a clinger if she really hot. i personally wouldnt

[–]1rporion 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, look at the age range she gives...

"Where have all the good men gone" is the battle cry of women the wrong side of 30.

They exhibit the exact same behavior when they are no longer in control.

The thing is, even someone who is mostly beta learns from his experiences in his 20s and knows that its not forever anyway, so why bond?

[–]MattBoBat 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

She should write another article documenting her failures to secure a real relationship from the Alpha's she's been fucking off Tinder/OkCupid like she mentioned. The Ol' Pump and Dump, no wonder emotionally needy men are the only ones who would take this bitch.

[–]_social_caterpillar 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

She was kinda right with the article, until she got all empowered at the end and conflated betas with all men/masculinity in general. She seems to only have the SMV to be pulling betas which explains her bad experiences.

[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link

Caterpillar, what is SMV ? (Im Noob to Red pill)

EDIT nevermind...just inferred it

[–]_social_caterpillar 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Sexual market value. Sounds all technical but it's something everyone constantly evaluates on a subconscious level

[–]Furyk_Karede 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The needy man epidemic has been rising in recent years. How do I know this? Because my friends and I have dated them. 

Because this sample is significant in size and quality.

.... a study saying that it takes only three dates for a woman to update her Facebook relationship status, and five dates for a man to do the same. Um, sorry, but who exactly are these “74 per cent of 18-35 year olds"....

This is weak evidence against her argument supported by a much larger and more diverse group.

In my experience / my friends all have similar experiences / my friends have also told me

No one cares, failure to address the fact that she and all her friends are becoming less desirable with age.

So, to those women who are still trying to make three average dates into a legitimate relationship, please stop.... ....Why don't you join the rest of us independent, millennial women and leave the neediness for the men?

"I'm unable to be competitive on your level, please come over to mine."

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]watersign 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link

From the comments below the article:

The ultimate post-feminist definition of a man - needy! To all British men out there, know this. The world is full of beautiful, slim, feminine, relationship orientated, honest, worth knowing females. You can build a future with any of them. Just bear one fact in mind. None of them are British. So start planning and start leaving. You know that you know a guy or ten who is dating a great woman who is not British. He is doing the right thing. This never used to be the case but it is now British women have cornered the market in ultra destructive feminism, oval body shapes, and the reduction of femininity to the point of invisibility. Don't waste your time.

The sad thing is, you could replace "British" with "American", "Australian" or "New Zealand" or any other English speaking country with this and it'd be the same thing.

[–]1FloranHunter 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

This would be far more depressing if I hadn't already swallowed the red pill. Almost devastating, depending on how fast my rationalization shields popped up.

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