Problem with MRAs

bam2_89 · 2014-02-18T12:49:20+00:00

There is a reason househusbands are not viewed favorably: men did not evolve to maintain the hearth while women went out to provide.

I agree, but it's still a feminist double standard, that we're talking about here. Feminists are the ones who portrayed housework as the most oppressive and horrible form of slavery in existence and now they're saying that men, who do it, get off too easy. Feminist stupidity in new dimensions.

zyk0s · 2014-02-18T18:43:29+00:00

You know you won't be able to convince women to go back to their traditional roles. Not legally at least, all the money will still be spent on trying to get more women into STEM and management positions. MRAs simply say "then remove our legal obligations too". No more unilateral child support or alimony, no more selective services, no more "women first".

The reality is that a tiny minority of ugly, masculine women decided that them straying from the norm and the expectation they conform was oppression. So we changed the laws to make everything equal (for them only of course) and everybody who bought into the bullshit became miserable. More often then not though, the misery is pushed from women unto men as much as possible.

Now the bell curve is present in men too and there is a corresponding minority of wimpy, feminine men who, under the law of equality, should have just as much right to bitch about their plight as 60's feminists. And we should allow them, even encourage them. Why? For men's benefit in general, of course!

Yes, them whining about not being able to stay at home is not going to get them laid, just like writing all that hatred did not get Dworkin her prince charming. But it will hopefully change social perceptions and we can hope to have a truly equal (and equally miserable) legal landscape. Imagine if it gains traction, the women will learn they can't count on finding a man who will be masculine and a provider, just like men learned post-feminism that they can't expect a home cooked meal. It's already happening, just look at Japan, men are giving up and the "respect" for their choice is dictated by a majority, a majority who's already acting like that.

In that completely equal landscape, the winners will be the smart men and women who embrace their respective sexual templates. And very likely, when the artificial incentives stop, most people will have to go back to traditional gender roles.

Don't fight it, there is no "problem" with MRAs they are the natural response to a misguided ideology and a necessity to get us back on track.

lillojohn · 2014-02-18T10:40:11+00:00

POst this in men rights. OR can i xpost it?

Hirudin · 2014-02-19T02:13:44+00:00

The problem with MRAs is that a significant subset wants to play the victim card instead of removing it from the deck. This subset doesn't want to get rid of the ridiculous amounts of freebies available to women, they want to share in it too. They don't want to get rid of the absurd logical contortions feminists use to get their way, they want to be able to use them as well.

Feminists want society and the government to be their daddy and unfortunately a lot of MRAs want it to be their mommy, when instead they should be insisting that everyone grow the fuck up.

JohnPeel · 2014-02-18T23:20:28+00:00

The difference between the two is one of pragmatism vs idealism.

We agree that there are problems but do not believe they are necessarily solvable. I won't shit on MRAs for what they're trying to do though.

richardnorth · 2014-02-18T15:01:51+00:00

TRP and Men's Rights: stay in one long enough and you will naturally join the other, it's inevitable.

luxury_banana · 2014-02-18T14:27:46+00:00

I think most of that is just pointing out the double standard as well as the obvious observable truth that feminists and almost all of today's women say one thing but in reality do or believe the exact opposite.

SlickJamesBitch · 2014-02-18T22:04:34+00:00

males should act like men - whether or not it is convenient.

I wouldn't say it's a moral duty for men to act alpha.

rebuildingMyself · 2014-02-19T08:14:51+00:00

As an avid MRA follower from back on the day, I can tell you this:

If Feminism is a society-wide shit test, then MRAs are attacking it one way while we at TRP are attacking it another way. How do you pass a woman's shit test? Agree/amplify, ignore, etc. MRAs are doing agree/amplify, we at TRP are ignoring.

MRAs says, "yeah it sucks for women. Men shouldn't have to do it either!" them watch the Feminists hamster their way out of the fact that they know that their experiment relies on massive wealtg transfers from men to women. Afterwards, nothing gets accomplished, but it is important that there be pushback against Feminism. No ideology should have the privilege of being immune from criticism.

Unfortunately, Feminism has the government, academia, and the workplace by the balls so it's nearly impossible to leave their frame entirely, similar to being locked in a marriage with a divorce-rape bomb strapped to your head, we've lost our power. The alpha male in the room is the government and its strong fucker indeed. But not all is lost.

To ignore these shit tests, look at our options. Taxes are being taken out of my check and going to pay for the latest feminist social engineering experiment, to my detriment most likely? Fuck it, I'll move overseas when the government can't garnish my paycheck anymore.

Western women are shredding the social contract between husband and wife, and empowering themselves with divorce-rape? Fine, I just won't get married to a western woman.

You want to live a life style that most men find very unattractive for LTR material? Go for it. Slut it up, enjoy those donuts, get massive school loans for a shit degree, but prepare for the eventual Spinsterhood. It was your choice, so accept the consequences . nobody is shaming you or oppressing you. They are ignoring you, which to a woman is far worse.

dregofsociety · 2014-02-19T12:30:55+00:00

Mensrights has feminists mods. I personally think its like the whole matrix trilogy; designed to keep the system functioning by being a false hope of activism for the few who are awakened. For all the whining about the same thing, there never seems to be a solution or even united action plan available to correct it. SRS is WAY more effective and organized than Mensrights. The only thing Mensrights does, is piss you off.

down_with_whomever · 2014-02-18T12:43:50+00:00

men did not evolve to maintain the hearth while women went out to provide.

In spite of being here in TRP I don't give much credence to this kind of argument, about what people "evolved" to do. Only because it's ever so easy to justify a bunch of bullshit this way.

Scientific arguments which aren't based on any real, rigorous science are so easy to throw around abuse because they rely on abstract assumptions. After all, it used to be just "scientific fact" that blacks could never be as smart as whites.

Title	Problem with MRAs
Author	bam2_89
Upvotes	27
Comments	49
Date	February 18, 2014 9:42 AM UTC (12 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/TheRedPill
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