Something within TRP "guidelines" I feel that I struggle with - Hypocrisy.

CopperFox3c · 2015-05-19T12:02:14+00:00

Women are the gatekeepers of sex, men are the gatekeepers of commitment. A female sexual slut is equivalent to a male emotional slut.

If you ran around every weekend telling every woman you met that you loved them madly, wanted to have their babies, and would do anything for them forever and ever ... do you think they would have any respect for you? No, they would think you were a weak man. They might use you of course for a free dinner or two, perhaps make you a beta orbiter and get you to buy them stuff or do tasks for them. In other words, they would use you, just like party girls get used. Two sides of the same coin.

Is that fair? Is it right? Maybe, maybe not, for either side. But sexual mating strategy is amoral. It has kept our species alive for millenia. It is neither good nor bad. It simply "is".

Varrian · 2015-05-19T11:30:49+00:00

You are not judging them, you are vetting them for a possible LTR. Just like how women have a long list of qualities for a man they want to marry, you have one of your own.

Finding a long term partner is a huge investment of time and resources and should be done with extreme prejudice. It is not hypocrisy to want what you find attractive in a partner. Remember, that they have a choice to accept or reject you too.

Hypocrisy would be telling you that I should be able to marry/date the peak of the opposite gender and they should want me even though I am substandard. Wait, where have I heard that before?

Cyralea · 2015-05-19T13:23:05+00:00

However, how can I judge these girls for being party girls when I myself am out on weekends enjoying myself?

Because you're starting with a faulty premise, that you are equal to women. Creating a separate set of standards for biological realities is the logical thing to do. Note how we don't let women fight men of the same weight class in MMA or sports.

Women lose value by being promiscuous. Men gain value from doing so (to a degree). It's easy to be a slut, it's hard to be a stud. These realities create a set of separate standards.

I wrote about this a while back, discussing the disparity in detail.

thewrightstuff88 · 2015-05-19T11:28:21+00:00

The people on PPD are using shame tactics and making you feel self conscious. They feel threatened by those ideas that are simply the truth but basically want to condition you into thinking its "wrong," just like how some cultures say if you masturbate you'll grow hair on your palms.

Their arguments are emotion based and only work to shame with no basis in truth. Deep down, all women know that it is bad to be labeled as a slut or whore by society, hence LMR and all that fun stuff. With men, you are considered a man among men if you manage to spin some plates consistently. Its even been shown through field reports that women are more receptive to a man who has a beautiful woman on his arm because that woman will wonder what is he all about.

Anon_Dutch · 2015-05-19T16:06:17+00:00

Hypocrisy may be simply defined as claiming one thing, but doing something else. Setting different standards for different people is not hypocrisy, it is a double standard.

Double standards are not the bad thing that feminists have convinced us they are. We would harshly judge an adult for pissing their pants in the middle of a store, leaving a puddle of urine on the floor. We would not apply the same standard to a child, or a developmentally disavled person, or an elderly person. That is a double standard and it is a good thing.

I insist that my girl shave her legs, yet I don't shave my own legs. This is not hypocritical, I never claimed that shaven legs are universally a good thing, only that they are a good thing for women. That is a double standard and it is a good thing. Could you imagine men with shaved legs or women with unshaven legs, it wouldn't be a pretty picture.

One of my favorite quotes of all time is from my high school latin class; "Quod licet Jovi, non licet bovi" - What is allowed of Jupiter [the Roman god], is not allowed of a cow. This was in the context of a child asking why his father was allowed to do things that he was not. Even the Romans knew and accepted that double standards are a normal part of life, to be understood and accepted, not denied and condemned.

Men and women are different. That is not an opinion, but a biological fact. We are different not only physically, but also mentally (psychologically and intellectually) in part due to differences in upbringing, but in part due to the physical differences (hormones, etc). We are all equal in that we are all human and equally entitled to human rights, but that is where the equality ends. Despite all the emphasis on diversity these days, feminists still insist on denying our differences. Accept and embrace our differences, what is good for the goose is not necessarily good for the gander.

MattyAnon · 2015-05-19T12:27:30+00:00

However, how can I judge these girls for being party girls when I myself am out on weekends enjoying myself?

Ideal male reproductive strategy: fuck loads of women, share resources with the select few who are definitely raising his children. Male difficulty: not knowing if her children are his.

Ideal female reproductive strategy: fuck the best genes, gather as many resources from as many men as possible. Maybe all from the same person, maybe it's an AF/BB split. Female difficulty: knowing if he'll commit future resources.

While these are genetic evolutionary factors, we feel these things intensely at an emotional level.

So ideally for us: bang lots of party girls and settle down with a virgin. Ideally for them: bang lots of AF dick and settle down with a beta provider. But betas don't want party sluts, so they pretend to be asexual for the beta to look as high value as possible. This is easy, because she's not too attracted to him in the first place.

There is no hypocrisy here. There are competing mating strategies that are different for men and women. Do not let the current egalitarian feminist rhetoric persuade you that men and women are the same. It is simply not possible for all men and all women to realise their ideal mating strategy at a genetic or emotional level, and those ideals are different between the sexes.

Most women and a few men can have it pretty good, but not all. There are only degrees of compromise for them and for you.

Go out... party... fuck sluts... but don't marry one and don't feel hypocritical for it. And don't marry that virgin unicorn of your dreams either, because she knows that the way to get you to commit is to pretend to be vastly more innocent than she really is. Endless r/deadbedrooms stories about that particular dynamic.

GuitarsAreGettingOld · 2015-05-19T11:36:55+00:00

I have both seen and heard first hand experiences of what party girls are capable of and some of the stories don’t even shock me anymore.

So you know they wouldn't be a good choice for an LTR because of their party life.

However, how can I judge these girls for being party girls when I myself am out on weekends enjoying myself?

Do you think you would be a good choice for an LTR despite your party life?

If yes, then where's the problem?

From what you have seen they are damaged by their lifestyle. You are not.

thenarrrowpath · 2015-05-19T18:03:37+00:00

Its easy to be a slut, its hard to be a stud. Its simple as that.

-Golden · 2015-05-19T11:22:10+00:00

Its not hypocritical because men and women are different. There's a myriad of differences.

For starters, men want to fuck as many women as we can, women want to fuck the best men they can. Men hunt, women gather.

We don't desire women who hunt, that's not complimentary to our abilities. If we both hunted who would nurture the child?

Men don't desire sex with other men, we desire feminine traits in partners.

Now, apply this to bars.

Men desire women who only want the best men. Selectiveness is feminine. Girls at bars have lots of partners, so they are less selective. Therefore they are less attractive to men.

LibertarianLibertine · 2015-05-19T11:32:47+00:00

You dont judge them, party girls can be fun. But you seek different qualities in your ltr. Theres nothing wrong with that.

I would say though that some ltr material likes to party from time to time, theyre just heavily outnumbered in that scene.

dr_warlock · 2015-05-19T20:59:17+00:00

Lurkers and undercover bluepillers, notice how even though he directly questioned one of our main philosophies (men =/= women), the mods allowed it. Think about that.

rpscrote · 2015-05-19T21:13:04+00:00

Men and women are different. It's why you don't really give a shit what she does for a living

ScholarInRed · 2015-05-19T12:49:31+00:00

Ireland has a massive drinking culture, as I'm sure you know. I also think it's a RP country in some ways - at least in rural areas, the women all study Home Economics, the lads all study Engineering and play sports.

However, how can I judge these girls for being party girls when I myself am out on weekends enjoying myself?

Because you are a man and that makes a difference. Men are naturally polygamous. Women are hypergamous but are more attractive the lower their partner count, ie the higher their selectiveness, is.

wantonton · 2015-05-19T15:09:08+00:00

This analogy may or may not help, but it does help me put this issue into perspective.

You have two people of roughly the same age and monetary resources.

Person A obtained all of his/her economic ability via trust fund. A has no real education, no skills and doesn't work. A has several mansions, a private jet, an extensive car collection and a huge yacht. A has no idea how much they cost, A just keeps spending and lets the accountant worry about it all with no apparent inclination to alter that lifestyle or attitude in the slightest.

Person B has wealth, but wasn't born into it. B worked hard to get into a prestigious university with enough scholarship to be able to afford it, since mom and dad's resources were limited. While there, B worked hard to maintain grades and extracurricular activities while also working to make money as resources were very limited. After graduation B worked hard for others for a good number of years learning the trade. After some time B either started an new company or rose through the ranks of the exiting structure to come out on top. Everything B has, including several very expensive homes, a personal jet, nice cars and a yacht are the result of years of hard work and purchased with the exact knowledge of how the fit into the financial picture. B only buys what B can afford and always puts the bottom line ahead of personally gratification.

I see a huge difference between those two people. They have/do many of the same things, but I bet they aren't even a little bit alike. As far as potential as a spouse, most people would be much better off marrying B as opposed to A.

In order for you to be a player, you have to spend a lot of time working hard and developing skills and interact with others with a constant eye as to the future. For a woman to be a party girl whore, she just had to be born beautiful and willing to spread her legs. She likely has no idea that her time is limited.

MentORPHEUS · 2015-05-19T15:36:16+00:00

The "hypocrisy" is in the defining. The party girl, who is ONLY a party girl, would make terrible LTR material. This does not rule out the existence of an otherwise good woman who likes to dance at raves sometimes, but lives a responsible life overall.

Consider yourself: Obviously you don't consider your "party" recreational activities as a defining characteristic of who you are, or a descriptor of most of your waking activities. A responsible man who goes to raves etc for recreation is NOT hypocritical for wanting a responsible woman who might/might not do the same for recreation.

This is one of the times when using and understanding E-prime is helpful. E-prime is english without the verb to be in its various forms; it forces users to use tangible descriptors, rather than abstract labels to describe others.

On this topic, spending much of your free time "partying" WILL put you off the date-able list of many LTR-worthy women. This becomes much more important by your late 20s.

trpMilo · 2015-05-19T17:56:51+00:00

I think if you dig into WHY you don't want to date a party girl, you'll realize it's just an extension of the sexual promiscuity argument. Party girls sleep with more guys and put themselves in the sort of compromising, drunk situations that you wouldn't want your GF to put herself into.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-05-19T18:28:45+00:00

I'm mostly German, but maybe have 25% Irish blood in me. Have spent plenty of days drinking beer in Irish Pubs so I know a little about the Irish ways.

Compared to Germans the Irish have a far more decentralized culture.

In many ways the Irish are closer to the Africans in that Game is played on the micro level and there's less of the overall hierarchy to consider.

So while some guys might pursue objective measures of Power like money, the non-hierarchical cultures reward Game alone.

The Irish can tell Tall Tales and manipulate with skill so be great at that.

As for the Shit Testing... um... they're Shit Testing you...

thredditsowaway · 2015-05-19T19:36:24+00:00

ALL women have the same AF/BB urges. ALL men have the urge to sleep with as many young, fertile women as possible.

There are party girls with promiscuous pasts who have legitimately developed the capacity to control their urges. There are also over-protected girls who have only avoided promiscuity due to lack of opportunities with high-value men... and of course have never had the chance (or need) to learn to control their urges.

You can't argue with statistics (that promiscuity = bad for marriage/LTR) but there are always exceptions to the rule and it's important to get to know her rather than just make assumptions about her based on her past, lest you wind up with a sheltered religious girl who suddenly feels the need to "get it out of her system" a month after the wedding.

Dev_on · 2015-05-19T12:06:52+00:00

Problem is too many younger types in the anger phase for your view.

Don't judge them, can't be mad at them, and yes, you are probably doing the same thing...

Not really the point though. If you're looking for an LTR, you want her to meet standards, and the anger is misplaced. it should just be a vetting of party girls... They were the ones you vetted for when you were just out for kicks

H42 · 2015-05-19T13:43:01+00:00

Many guys are confused by the terminology of these 3 words:

Equal

Same

Identical

Those three words have similar meanings, but they are definitely not identical definitions.

Men & women are not the same.

Men & women are not identical.

Men & women have equal rights.

Remove the terminology confusion and the feeling of hypocrisy vanishes.

XanderWaterman · 2015-05-21T16:38:15+00:00

Don't worry about it, do what you want.

Title	Something within TRP "guidelines" I feel that I struggle with - Hypocrisy.
Author	RichieFinn
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Date	May 19, 2015 11:03 AM UTC (11 years ago)
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