The Manosphere is obsessed with self-improvement. Feminists don't even know what it is.

lifeInCHI · 2014-04-03T11:58:56+00:00

I think the biggest issue women have with men self-improving is that we're not doing it in alignment with their desires for the world.

FaithfulJinn · 2014-04-03T14:48:01+00:00

Women's worth is based largely on their physical appearance so why would they have a concept of true self-improvement? A woman's social status and ability to manipulate people and get special treatment and attention are a direct correlation of her physical looks.

Also women tend to get so much validation every week whether it be from drunk guys at the bar or thirsty dudes on plentyoffish or okcupid that they don't feel the need to improve. Even ugly girls with nice bodies and chubby girls with cute faces have tons of suitors waiting to take them out on dates.

Women just don't have the motivation or the need for self-improvement.

Hyooge · 2014-04-03T18:55:28+00:00

For all the self-improvement I see here, such as guys telling each other to take up hobbies and skills, I never read of feminists talking about what women can do to become a better person through something that requires genuine persistence and effort. It is all "want, want, want", "men must do this", "men must do that so we feel equal". There is nothing I see apart from complaining, and yes sometimes TRP has complaining threads but guys are doing something about it.

There is a whole lot of "be happy with who you are, people will respect and love you regardless" with feminism and fat acceptance etc (which all lump together in one big pile of laziness) but there is nothing like that in the Manosphere. No one is perfect and we can all improve in some form or another. There is zero bullshit here, whereas there is tonnes of feel-good-bullshit on places like Tumblr.

I saw a video of a teenage girl spouting why she loves feminism and Tumblr etc, and she said the reason she doesn't go outside is because she has a "general anxiety disorder". So she doesn't do anything to conquer her fears and uses her insecurity and pussiness as an excuse to why she doesn't meet and talk to people. For the record, she was not particularly attractive, self-harming and having zero self-esteem probably doesn't get much, if any attention from boys. Therefore why in the actual fuck does she think she can make general assumptions about all men when she sits inside all day on the internet.

tetertot · 2014-04-03T11:22:34+00:00

I find self improvement to be one of the most rewarding experiences. My toilet flange broke the other day and i thought it was going to cost me a fortune to get a plumber over and fix it. Did some research. Found the rite pieces. Fixed the bastard for $20! Equivalent to bringing a 8 back from the bar and fucking her. It was wonderful! lol Long live TRP

GayLubeOil · 2014-04-03T18:16:09+00:00

Women are so privileged in the anglosphere that they see no need for improvement.

mgtow4ever · 2014-04-03T14:29:46+00:00

Men age like fine wine and women age like milk. Mans worth always increases with time and females decreases with time.

Women are born with a intrinsic value and men aren't. If you compared this to a card game Women get a royal flush at birth and men have no hand at all.

As women age her value simply decreases because her looks, her breeding capabilities simply get worse. As men age their financial and abilities to do things increase with time aka Self Improvement. Women rarely have to do anything to garner attention to find a mate while Men have to do everything. Just look at the animal kingdom.

Its why women sexuality is objectified and Men are objectified on their success.

Xein · 2014-04-03T15:47:04+00:00

One thing I can't wrap my head around though and maybe somebody can give an explanation.

Women have to know on some level that their attractiveness is their best asset, right? Feminists can deny it all they want but when you are out in the world, it's the hot women that get preferential treatment. So why don't women work harder to optimize their attractiveness? It seems like they are willing to do everything except work for it. They'll buy flattering clothes, bras, makeup, creams, jewelry, pay hundreds to get their hair done.. but going to the gym and eating healthy is OUT OF THE QUESTION. Don't they understand that being fit and healthy would massively impact their lives?

Ryokurin · 2014-04-03T20:08:33+00:00

It's fear. Fear of leaving them behind, of not falling for their tricks. And if you aren't careful they'll try to sabotage your progress behind your back.

I used to know this one girl when I was still extremely blue. She was OK with the things I was doing for self improvement when it was seemingly random things. But eventually I moved on to bigger things, like taking a improvisation class, being more assertive and firm, lifting weights, calling her out on various things and so forth. I even tried asking her out which was the mistake.

Now she assumed that it was all for her, and from then on she was totally against it. I was turning into a horrible person, I wasn't who I portrayed myself to be and no one in the group really liked me anymore Because I was still pretty blue I sat there and took it for a long while, even believed it for a bit, but I kept going, and I finally caught on to the pattern and dropped contact. She was the person who changed, or at least showed more of her true nature. because she slowly did similar things to other people in the group. Now most people tend to leave her alone (which she blames on me. They all did it on their own, and I really don't talk to anyone who was around back then anymore) Even though I did know I had to leave it did kind of break me for a while, but now looking back the only thing I would change was cutting off contact months earlier than I did.

Looking back at it, self improvement became an issue because I slowly got the guts to be more assertive and less codependent. The men she chose to be around her were all passive and would let her walk all over them, and slowly but surely I was starting to not allow that. Even worse I was starting to influence the others to improve. I became a threat which scared her, so I had to go. So officially to her, I hate her because she refused to date me, when in reality I left because I got wise to her gas-lighting and narcissism and could no longer tolerate it. I don't hate her, but I don't want absolutely anything to do with her. As far as I'm concerned she no longer exists.

whatever6 · 2014-04-03T10:32:54+00:00

Women innately know their worth is something they are born with. Their worth is their womanhood, but to a much larger degree their attractiveness. The hotter she is the more she is worth. This is why self improvement is a completely foreign concept to them. A man can go from zero to hero with self improvement. A woman has what she has and it depreciates with time. The only self improvement she can do is get a boob job.

No matter what woman from what era. The older generation of women just appreciated men more.

Teeth_of_Lions · 2014-04-04T03:20:09+00:00

In order to self-improve, one has to be able to admit to themselves that something is fucking wrong - with themselves. Feminists believe that something is wrong...with everything else.

_Sharkbait · 2014-04-03T14:07:43+00:00

Read this somewhere: Women love men for their strength, but men love women for their weakness.

Self-improvement is foreign to women because we, as men, do not put value on it in women. Women, on the other hand, want their man to be a winner (or more accurately, they want to find a winner to be their man) so self-improvement is the best way for a man to prove his worth to a woman.

There is no fault in women for lacking the concept of self-improvement. This is simply the nature of the man/woman dynamic.

mr_throwz · 2014-04-03T10:15:32+00:00

Women of the older generation were of a different caliber. By my mom's generation (she's 60) they were already spoiled, entitled princesses. How quickly things changed, literally in one generation.

cooltrip · 2014-04-03T15:47:35+00:00

Ask those feminists if they prefer a born-Alpha who doesn't need to worry about self-improvement at all, or a born-beta who needs a lot of self-improvement.

This is why women don't know what self-improvement is; they prefer men who don't need self-improvement because they already were born improved.

Cycix · 2014-04-04T00:11:19+00:00

I totally get this but what do you mean by women are "hard-wired as beneficiaries rather than conquerers?" That doesn't really make any sense.

Menadian · 2014-05-19T12:08:57+00:00

Allso they have turned it the opposite direction: Instead of doing hard work to not be obese, some try to rape society to make it commonly accepted that men should be turned on by fat girls (actually nearly are committed to).

Title	The Manosphere is obsessed with self-improvement. Feminists don't even know what it is.
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