There is no Friendzone!

VasiliyZaitzev · 2017-04-27T13:10:16+00:00

There is a FriendZone because there are guys who women will not bang but want to keep around for resources or "just in case".

Whether a guy who finds himself friendzoned is going to stick around or walk the fuck out of the friendzone is his individual choice. This is why I tell younger guys that they need to think HORIZONTALLY, not VERTICALLY. There is a group within the larger group of women who will dig you. OTOH, if you keep plowing investment into that One Special Girl^TM who is NEVER going to bang you, then at the end you get to be her...Orbiter in Chief. Who the fuck wants that?

You are correct about guys not sexualizing the convo early. It's lack of abundance and fear of rejections - what if their One Special Girl^TM rejects them? Oh, noes! Oh, woes! And that fear only gets worse the more a guy invests in a girl. So better to make your move early and find out, one way or the other.

Terdmuffin · 2017-04-27T13:22:54+00:00

That's like saying jail doesn't exist if you don't break the law. Just because it's your fault you're there doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Phoenixtorment · 2017-04-27T12:00:04+00:00

Conclusion: The friendzone DOES exist.

MisterRoid · 2017-04-27T17:49:05+00:00

The Friendzone does exists, but it's a way for the girl to offer the guy to be a beta orbiter that validates her, because she is not attracted to him. It's not genuine friendship.

Of course, you never have to enter the Friendzone. It's better to decline the offer of "friendship" and walk away with your dignity.

fagment · 2017-04-27T12:39:01+00:00

You are only partialy right. Sorry to say that, but I experienced various sides of this scenario. You don't always put yourself there. Period.
I friendzoned girls before, which I knew were interested in me but I didn't find them attractive, friendzoned myself because of insecurity and got friendzoned pretty straight forward even though I sexualised the conversation from the get go.
Saying that the friendzone is a place where you put yourself is just not entirely true.

Blacklabellogics · 2017-04-27T19:54:17+00:00

Men tend to categorize women into 2 sets: A) Would Fuck B) Would Not Fuck

Women tend to categorize men into 4 sets

A) Would fuck now B) Would fuck later to extract resources post-wall C) Will not fuck but will extract resources D) Get the fuck away from me

If you sense that a woman has put you as B, C, or D, leave.

bostonbob1987 · 2017-04-28T16:59:28+00:00

This post is good in the sense that you should recognize that you being in the "friendzone" is something you should simply refuse to be a part of. If you are attracted to a girl who is not attracted to you, move the fuck on, analyze the mistakes you made, and work to fix them.

However, this post ignores how women tend to manipulate their orbiters into remaining orbiters. They keep just a hint of sexual attraction / flirting sufficient to make the orbiters think "maybe I have a chance." This is deliberate. The most egregious thing they do is actively try to sabotage the orbiter's romantic relationships. I have witnessed that multiple times.

moargainz · 2017-04-27T15:07:06+00:00

Something interesting I discovered about friend zones is that they can be a powerful reverse tool.

For example, I've had a number of female friends that I genuinely valued just for their friendship - no ulterior motives, just someone to talk to about anything with for their female perspective on things.

I'd usually call them "sis" to make it clear I saw them just as friends.

Every single one - I'm not trying to humble brag, this was annoying and devastating - has turned out to not at all have wanted to be sis, they wanted to get down. Sometimes I didn't find this out until years after the friendship.

Point being, this isn't some guaranteed reverse psychology trick to get your one-itis, but try it out for yourself.

chaosmech · 2017-04-27T17:33:18+00:00

To put my summation on things, both comments and post:

There is a friendzone, or more accurately, a BetaZone^TM. Women categorize men into Alpha and Beta. You will fall into one of these two categories, unless you're hideous and cringeworthy, in which case you'll fall into the OmegaZone (aka the Untouchables).

However, you don't have to stay in the BetaZone for this girl. You will (probably) never move from the BetaZone to the AlphaZone... to her. But you can make yourself more attractive (in many ways, most importantly in the physical realm), and then move on to another women who will immediately place you in the AlphaZone (until/unless you show yourself to be beta).

I think we should substitute BetaZone for FriendZone because it's more accurate.

LightSkinKen · 2017-04-28T01:23:54+00:00

I have 1 simple rule:

IF SHE MAKES YOUR DICK HARD SHES NOT YOUR FRIEND.

if "YES": Go talk to her and let her know what time it is.

If "NO" : Go build a new circle with 3-4 hot girls men will drool for. Enjoy these women as a window into the other side, learn, respect them, laugh and connect on like interests.

So in short you're gonna drive yourself insane if you're constantly making "friends" With women.

ptisn1 · 2017-04-28T03:11:03+00:00

This guy is right on point.

If she's not into you, move on.

newName543456 · 2017-04-27T19:37:41+00:00

Friendzone does exist, but it's so easy to avoid it might as well not.

If you make actual advances on the girl instead of pussyfooting around, you won't land in a friend zone. If she doesn't fancy you, you might be labelled a creep instead though.

Mr-Ed209 · 2017-04-27T19:57:35+00:00

The friendzone fascinates me, having been there more times than I care to mention.

When I was a BP pseudo feminist I used to buy into the crap that the 'friend zone' was just used by bitter men to describe women who wouldn't sleep with them.

However, it's simply not true. Most real 'friendzoning' happens when you are 'courting' a girl who is interested in you and during which time you display weak behaviour - e.g don't make a move soon enough, don't present enough challenge. Her sexual interest dies but she still values the validation she receives from the guy and will keep speaking to him until a stronger guy enters her life.

This is where things get dicey. Both parties are in a situation they don't want to be in. The girl now knows the guy is interested in her but doing nothing about it, which lowers her interest. The guy then still pursues her oblivious to the fact that he has demolished any interest she had in him. He's not been an asshole or done anything bad to her; but her biology is screaming at her that this guy is weak. As a result her only easy way out is to say she just wants to be friends.

And then worse things can happen. If the guy hears the 'ljbf' and decides gracefully walk away, she often starts to think 'maybe he's not weak' and decides to reach out to him again. The guy is confused by it and usually works out what is going on too late. By the time he gets the courage and realises what he needs to do, the girl has often found someone else. Ensue drama, que classic hamster excuse 'what because we can't fuck we cant be friends ugggh guys!?!?'

I've been on the bad side of this and yeah it's pretty awful. Never tell me the 'friendzone' doesn't exist or that women aren't to blame at all. The best way is to avoid it is from the beginning, by getting intimate with girls quickly within 1-3 encounters.

AragornRF · 2017-04-28T00:21:45+00:00

There is only two state of mind for girls - Fuckable and Non Fuckable.

The so called Friendzoned guys are Non Fuckable. Its simple as that.

PhishPhan700 · 2017-04-28T13:49:42+00:00

The friendzone definitely exists. It's just a matter of whether or not allow yourself to stay there.

Hardstyle_Shuffle · 2017-04-27T14:51:07+00:00

LOl, all the guys who are "friendzoned" downvoted this, this post is legit , you don't have to stay there but you choose to, just let her go if you couldn't get her, stop being nice to her and be there for her when she needs someone, yes, some girls you might like won't like you back no matter what but you will never get a chance with her by becoming her friend, real life is not like in the movies

TheRedStoic · 2017-04-27T17:36:57+00:00

Not really. The friend zone is a state of placement. It exists.

Whether you choose to stay there or not is something else entirely.

Conflating/confusing/mistaking the two only leads to a denial of agency on either direction. The person being friends zoned or the person friends zoning.

Keep them separate. They are.

2comment · 2017-04-27T21:44:00+00:00

You're basically right about men doing it to themselves but women always know what's up. They might play ignorant but they always aware dudes don't just do things for her out of the kindness of their hearts.

Call it friendzone, beta orbiting, whatever. All the same rut in the end. The important lesson is to get out of these transactional relationships with women, even hookers would be a better investment, at least you're guaranteed action.

[deleted] · 2017-04-27T22:07:48+00:00

good luck trying to convince them of your theory.

I once said that Lies dont exist and boy was I laughed at.

The reason why you will have a hard time bringing your point through is because of the "we have a word for it so it must exist" mentality of people. They cant get their heads around, that something we can describe and express with words does not really exist!!!!

To be honest, it is hard to get ones head around. Why would we use a word to describe something that does not exist??? damn thinking makes my head hurt!

Spoopsnloops · 2017-04-28T02:14:03+00:00

It's just a state of mind where guys place themselves.

I agree with that, but at the same time it's also evidence that the friendzone does exist. It's the "I look at you more like a friend," and the guy's acceptance of that. It's a literal friend zone. You're the unfuckable friend.

It literally exists. Just don't put yourself in it and you won't have to deal with it.

Peter_B_Long · 2017-04-28T16:49:15+00:00

Friendzone = Orbiter.

There ARE orbiters.

Fat_SMP_peruser · 2017-04-28T11:45:28+00:00

I was a clueless loser who got friendzoned by this chick I was into. I was practically a creepy stalker, I found out all about her and showed up at things where I knew she was going to be. She resisted but then let me buy her things and she'd tell me all about her travails with other men and cried on my shoulder when her latest fling didn't end up with commitment. Looking back I guess I friendzoned myself. But people would assume we were more than friends, she'd tell me to stop cockblocking her by hanging around so much at parties. I didn't know it at the time but this gave me some social proof and some of her female acquaintances started pursuing me. I wasn't really into them, I was into her and I guess that made me more attractive to them because I didn't pay them much attention. I was starting to do some reading of some pick up material and get more of a clue about how social dynamics work and I ended up sleeping with a lot of her female acquaintances. I wasn't some master manipulator, I'd just get some courage from a bottle and get all handsy and tell them I couldn't help myself around them. One of them even said "But what about friendzone chick? Aren't you two a thing?" I just told her we weren't exclusive, which was technically true since we weren't a thing at all.

So long story short, it is possible for a friendzoned loser to use the situation to his advantage to gain access to a social circle.

Edit: If you read my post history you'll see I'm talking about massively fat women if that makes this any more believable. There is a whole culture of "bbw bashes" and dances and social cliques of fat women. They are extremely suspicious of what they call "creepers," men who just want sex and then just disappear never to be seen again. Any unfamiliar guy on the scene is probably a creeper in their view.

SasquatchMcKraken · 2017-04-28T17:18:31+00:00

You're either a guy she wants to fuck/is fucking, or you're one of her girlfriends. There is no middle ground. If you're a dude and you're one of her girlfriends, you're in the Friendzone. There's nothing imaginary about it.

ricenoodlecombo · 2017-04-27T17:21:40+00:00

The red pill is for neckbeard faggots. You're all angsty whiny bastards.

Title	There is no Friendzone!
Author	Mr_Talent
Upvotes	23
Comments	59
Date	April 27, 2017 11:34 AM UTC (9 years ago)
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