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Washington Post airs a hit piece on the manosphere, Roissy gets a shout out. "Often, if not always, 'game' involves reducing women to sexual targets, rating their attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 10, and deploying techniques like 'negging' to get a girl to notice you."

Slutlord-Fascist

May 28, 2014
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Title Washington Post airs a hit piece on the manosphere, Roissy gets a shout out. "Often, if not always, 'game' involves reducing women to sexual targets, rating their attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 10, and deploying techniques like 'negging' to get a girl to notice you."
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Slutlord-Fascist

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Date May 28, 2014 7:58 PM UTC
(12 years ago)
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[–]FortunateBum 38 points39 points40 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

Can someone clear something up for me?

Isn't PUAHate an anti-manosphere site? Don't they make fun of PUA? I don't know it that well.

If that's the case, it seems blatantly incorrect to say Elliot believed or practiced any of the ideas within the manosphere.

[–][deleted] 46 points47 points48 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It is.

Facts don't matter though when you want to do a hatchet-piece with the following agenda:

  1. Associate the man-o-sphere with serial killers so:

a. Mainstream people will make that association;

b. Men not in will be discouraged from learning more.

It may have the opposite effect of attracting more people who are curious about what is being talked about here.

[–]puaSenator 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Yeah it's the equivalent of the blue pill sub. Basically a bunch of chides gather and bitch about people trying to learn game as an attempt to justify their shitty sex life. These people literally obsess over the manosphere and really don't contribute anything of value other than their bitching. But it seems like this shorter was also subscribed to and followed many of these PUAs he hated, so the media is trying to mean he was a fan of them rather than an opponent.

[–][deleted] 22 points23 points24 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yeah - people don't understand that puahate is the complete opposite of PUA. These guys are fully convinced the shit doesn't work, that RSD / mystery / etc all the big dogs of the dating industry are complete fakers, their infield is hired models, etc. And while I'm sure many of them are scams, I cannot think of a more BP place. They are literally posts like "Hey so my friend is fucking girls left and right now after he's been trying to learn PU for 1 year. Help convince me that this cannot possibly be the case so I can continue to believe only rich guys and models get girls."

This idea that he "turned to pickup to solve his problems instead of therapy" is false. His primary hate was aimed towards men who were successfully practicing PU, whether naturally or not. That's why there's 4 dead dudes.

[–]nrjk 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

There was an article on some saying the reason he hated men is because he hated women.

I would've read it, but my mind didn't feel like doing gymnastics.

[–]sinalpha 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I pointed out that Elliot was anti-PUA in another forum. Downvote brigade chimed in. Why let facts dictate the discussion.

[–]RedPillJohnny39 points40 points41 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I had to stop reading after the writer stated that the manosphere is not to blame band then proceeded to blame it!

[–]B_Campbell 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Pretty much all the articles start out. "To be clear, we're not saying all manosphere are serial killers. Ok here's why they're all serial killers."

[–][deleted] 30 points31 points32 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's getting to the point where it is illegal to have a non-feminist opinion.

Interesting, in a sad way, that a HuffPo piece about the most hated websites in the world that was linked to from the original article mostly attacked sites that cause feminists to get their granny panties in a knot.

A quote from that other piece:

[One site] belongs to a sketchy and unreliable group of shaming Web sites that “out” people for offenses they didn’t commit — see Cheaterville, et al.

Cheaterville calls people out for cheating, which is apparently unfair to women.

[–][deleted] 13 points14 points15 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Shit's rough out there.

I'm going out for cigarettes.* You guys should all do the same.

*I might be back, I might not.

[–]sting129 27 points28 points29 points 12 years ago (15 children) | Copy Link

once again people freak out over the idea of "negging"...why is that? All it means is that when you see a beautiful women you don't treat her like her shit doesn't stink. And women respond to it, obviously.

[–][deleted] 23 points24 points25 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Call it "teasing" and all of a sudden bitches start nodding their heads in agreement.

[–]B_Campbell 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

Yep. Look at every single female profile on any dating site and there will always be a section on how much the girl "loves sarcasm" along with a picture of her at Macchu Piccu and running in mud somewhere.

[–]nrjk 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

And photography and scrapbooking.

[–]Senior ContributorSkorchZang 21 points22 points23 points 12 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link

Blog bitches are obsessed with negging for the same exact reason that causes that approach to work so well on them. It gets the inner bitch huffing & puffing.

Very often it's also the only tactic in the PUA arsenal that she has somewhat been able to comprehend, and get properly offended by (not for a lack of trying, but how do you get offended by a dude building rapport or sexy male body language... not exactly easy is it, but she knows she should be offended because this stuff is teaching men that she's not that smart, that all her girl buttons can be "hacked" by a clever man). So they would like the world to think that PUA = negging.

Women are beyond any male reproach (because vagina). The effect of someone daring to do so outta the blue is a jolt to her entire worldview. Someone recommending to do so, to jolt her worldview and therefore cause attraction to build, is a jolt to her fragile ego that can't deal with the whole notion that both men and her attraction to them aren't things she has under her rational higher femmybeing control.

Plus it's really easy to claim negs are "verbal abuse of women". All women without exception are special, they must be treated with respect at all times and are to be worshipped by men, in case you didn't get the femmimemo. Anything less is abuse, especially if a woman's feeeeels are somehow hurt by a man.

[–]1FloranHunter 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

Plus it's really easy to claim negs are "verbal abuse of women". All women without exception are special, they must be treated with respect at all times and are to be worshipped by men, in case you didn't get the femmimemo. Anything less is abuse, especially if a woman's feeeeels are somehow hurt by a man.

I'd like to take this time to point out that this is supported by at least one study: people (men and women) cannot tell the difference between egalitarian and misogynistic men - they are both viewed as misogynistic. So yes, to a woman, not treating her as superior to men feels the same as being mistreated.

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

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[–]1FloranHunter 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

https://uwspace.uwaterloo.ca/bitstream/handle/10012/6958/Yeung_Amy.pdf?sequence=1

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think that also ties into the solipsist frame of mind a lot of women get into. Because they're unable to really empathize with what it's like to be anybody other than themselves, they don't acknowledge the preferential treatment they've received their entire lives (this is especially true of western women) and thus perceive a lack thereof as nothing short of abuse.

It really isn't hard to see the hamster turning if you think about her point of view from a solipsist mindset.

[–]HitlersCow 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You know something is seriously wrong with our collective conscious when not giving preferential treatment is considered sexism.

[–]anarchopianist 14 points15 points16 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

You insensitive prick, there are probably over 10,000 oppressed women being asked if they shop at thrift stores right now! /s

[–]shooter212 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

she didn't even get the concept of it right... the example she used is just a flat out insult. a neg is more of a backhanded compliment

[–]1bradyo2 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

I noticed that - her example was on a par with using "you look like a bloke".

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

In all fairness, women aren't expected to nor are they required to have any game whatsoever to function in the sexual marketplace. How could you expect her to properly understand (and thus example) any potential function of it?

This is akin to me trying to explain and give examples of the clusterfuck of mental gymnastics that is 'cultural appropriation'.

[–]spitfire7rp 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

To be fair being a straight up asshole works sometimes. I was at a party this weekend and a guy I don't like's g/f asked me how many people I thought she slept with my reply was" IDK a lot?" She tried to kiss me later on a rub my nipple with her b/f there but somewhere else. Shes a diseased whore so I wanted no part of it but the point remains.

[–]1bradyo2 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, there's a difference between saying that to someone you know (albeit don't like), and a random stranger though. You wouldn't have gotten that reaction if you went to a random girl in a bar and said "you look like you've slept with a lot of people"

[–][deleted] 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

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[–]anttyk47 12 points13 points14 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because we're an enemy, attack attack attack

Meanwhile hotbabe is playing her field

[–]nrjk 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Because men thinking things is bad and in need of reforming. /s

[–]knitro18 points 12 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link

'He get's called a beta by someone else, but called himself an alpha!!!'

Can't explain this one. No chance the clinically insane person had a less than lucid understanding of terminology.

[–]1bradyo2 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Dude, he knew the word "Alpha" so that means he's an advocate for PUA, TRP and MRA. Don't you know anything? /s

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 33 points34 points35 points 12 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link

They want to blame the manosphere, because it's easier to blame us than to blame feminist, "empowered" single mothers who are raising effeminate, fatherless boys who never learn how to become a man, and then suffer extreme lack of self esteem, self worth, and self identity when they turn into young adults. Roosh was right. If this kid was taught how to be a man by a father (who apparently never had time for him), he's a much better adjusted young man today.

Look at what all of these mass shooters have in common: they're all feminine shit-bags who have not only no concept of relationship with women, but are general social retards all around.

A woman can raise a boy, but a woman cannot raise a man. Only a man can do that.

[–]shooter212 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

+1

[–]nrjk 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Yeah, all the articles on his "toxic masculinity" failed to mention that the dude was not masculine in any way. Maybe his masculinity was toxic because there was none present or it was corrupted by, oh, I don't know, a culture that celebrates femininity and derides many things masculine.

[–]Bakkie 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link

All you guys who fathered a man child, take heed.

If you are not around to raise him and he turns out to be effeminate, lack self esteem,lack self worth and self identity, its now YOUR fault not the fault of the empowered feminist single mom

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 19 points20 points21 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Married women blow up marriages and families 70% of the time, and take the kids and leave the father. And the main reason given is she's unhaaaaapy. I appreciate your attempt at being snarky, though.

[–]Endorsed ContributorFLFTW16 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

You're being downvoted because people don't understand a sardonic comment when they read one....

[–]Bakkie 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

Thanks for letting me know that someone does.

[–]TRP VanguardJP_Whoregan 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

It's very hard for vocal undertones to come across via text. Given the recent creeping of SRS, bluepill, and 2X brigadiers I've stumbled on in recent days, it's not outside the realm for a comment like this to come across as literal.

[–]Bakkie 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

No more so than the original post I would have hoped, but clearly I am a minority.

FWIW, it is good to know that there are some reasonable voices here. there are valid points to be made but the strident delivery gets in the way of the substance.

[–]MisterMisogyny 25 points26 points27 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

"Often, if not always, 'game' involves reducing women to sexual targets, rating their attractiveness on a scale of 1 to 10, and deploying techniques like 'negging' to get a girl to notice you."

And if this works, what does that say about women?

Oh, I forgot, women dont have any agency.

[–]xx3345 11 points12 points13 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

The reality is negging is just teasing/flirting in a way that doesn't pedestalize the girl. The reason these places exist is because the relations between the sexes are so fucked up.

[–]paracog 7 points8 points9 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

The customer is always right. http://she-conomy.com/report/marketing-to-women-quick-facts

[–]cooltrip 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

Those are percentages about consumption. Consumption is not it all about goods, but only one side.

The other side is production, and I'd like to see the percentages about what gender engineers and produces those goods women buy and use (hint: check out the gender percentages of Nobel awards).

This is how feminism attempts to manipulate young boys.

[–]paracog 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

My point is that since women are the apex consumers in this society, then the media will always slant stories to present them in the best light.

[–]charlesbukowksi 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

insightful

[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

So predictable.

[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 12 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link

What this article completely forgets to mention is why men turn to the "manosphere". This article just paints everyone who reads this stuff as someone out of touch with the world.

I would like at least for it to say something like " most of these guys turned to the philosophies because they felt ripped off by society. "

[–]FortunateBum 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link

The current mainstream narrative, as far as I can tell, is that an evil god gave a small number of men these horrible thoughts and those men spread the hate to others. The hate spreads because the small number of evil men are master manipulaters like Hitler.

There's really not another explanation.

[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

i know. it fits perfectly with the idea that a guy is just supposed to "get it" and if he doesn't he is evil.

[–]B_Campbell 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

God dammit I thought I just hated women. Now I'm a Nazi too? When will this end?

[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's kind of funny watching these feminists do mental contortions to smash all the different male groups they hate into one Frankenstein monster and then spit out a word salad about how this massacre was caused by "Nice Guy" pickup artist creepy entitled loners who neg girls in night clubs. What the f*ck is all of that? You can't hate creepy, entitled "Nice Guys" and then turn around and hate pickup artists. PUA is literally the cure for "Nice Guy." This little shit was a "Nice Guy." A healthy dose of PUA is exactly what would have saved him. He gave it a cursory look, chose not to commit to doing the work because he was a lazy shit, then joined a website where people moan about how PUA doesn't work instantly like getting your teeth whitened.

[–]cooltrip 4 points5 points6 points 12 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link

It's curious that these feminists always say that men want to consider women as objects.

It is feminists themselves that have the own free personal wish of being just sexual objects to Alpha (not to betas).

Any intelligent beta will discern that he should treat women exactly like the type of person women reveal Alpha they want to be: objects.

If a feminist tells a beta: "I only want to be an inferior-object-person to Alpha, but not to you, beta; to you I'm a goddess, and I want you to treat me as such goddess, and as yourself being a pathetic beta inferior to me", then, if that beta is intelligent, he will answer: "if you are an object to Alpha, then you are an object to everyone, and so you are an object to me too; so I'm not going to treat you like a goddess, but like an object; if you don't want me to treat you like an object, but like a goddess, then I won't do and you won't force me to do, because, instead, I'll completely forget about you and I won't treat you in any way", which is what, probably, the feminist wanted beta to do.

So it makes no sense that feminists accuse betas of considering them sexual objects, if feminists willingly reveal themselves as objects to Alpha.

I must concede, tho, that the main difference between Alpha and betas is the following one: women want to be mistreated as objects by Alpha, while betas want to mistreat women. These two arrows are opposed and, what's more, betas want to mistreat women because women want to be mistreated by Alpha, but not by betas.

[–]1FloranHunter 6 points7 points8 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I must concede, tho, that the main difference between Alpha and betas is the following one: women want to be mistreated as objects by Alpha, while betas want to mistreat women. These two arrows are opposed and, what's more, betas want to mistreat women because women want to be mistreated by Alpha, but not by betas.

That's bullshit.

[–]cooltrip 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Damn, it's bullshit!

[–]Endorsed ContributorBluepillProfessor 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

Oh Please....

Old Married Guy here to assure you that 'negging' is ABSOLUTELY CRITICAL if you have a high and mighty woman who needs to get knocked off her pedestal. Negging works because (most) women don't really want to be on a pedestal (even if they think they do say otherwise). They want to look up to a man so there are two strategies to pursue as a man- build yourself up, and/or knock her down a bit.

My 20+ year marriage was not just saved because I became a better man, I had to neg the crap out of my wife to bring her down to my level- and she fucking LOVES it. Nothing cruel or overly obnoxious- but comments like:

Her: I am not sure (about the difference between Kansas and Nebraska). Me: That's because your a woman! (pointing out the correct states)

Her: Park in that spot. Me: Woman! You don't tell me what to do, I tell YOU what to do (lifting up the tilt steering wheel and pointing).

Me: Woman, make me a sandwich.

Negging is just light hearted teasing to let her know you are not intimidated and are the one in charge. That is what she really wants after all.

And that is why the fems can't abide negging- it give power to MEN. Oh No! We can't have that.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

get used to it, we are a threat to society.

i know most of you believe the news and the official version of everything, but if you look closer there is a lot of lies that are believed like a religion.

i dont know if this was planned or not, but it would not surprise me if it was.

[–]gsent 0 points1 point2 points 12 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link

'Roissy' is not Roissy. He sold his site a loooong time ago to some white nationalist by the name of Heartise.

[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

I tried to read Heartiste. My first impression was that he was a little rough around the edges, but had some hard truths to spit. Then I got to the racism... Holy shit the racism. This guy is an irredeemable tool. He's not even one of those subtle, 21st century racists; he's like a 19th century "Negroes are a separate, less evolved species" racist.

[–]gsent 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

I think the consensus is among users is that the original Roissy still sometimes writes the pickup articles and Heartise does the political ones.

[–]Slutlord-Fascist[S] 2 points3 points4 points 12 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link

really, 'cause the writing style is the same

[–]gsent 1 point2 points3 points 12 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link

It's true.

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