What is the difference between a man spinning plates and a girl riding the carousel?

martianmarvin · 2014-06-01T12:20:26+00:00

Women who sleep around are less likely to be able to commit to a relationship afterward:

http://socialpathology.blogspot.com/2010/09/sexual-partner-divorce-risk.html

Alpha widows are real.

2comment · 2014-06-01T13:36:09+00:00

Men need to work at it. Women just have to show up.

If you want a corrollary to a woman's promiscuity, it's a man proposing marriage to every chick he hets a date with.

Kekeramitu · 2014-06-01T13:45:37+00:00

The lock and key analogy works pretty well, but the differences go deeper. Men are more attractive if they fuck loads of women thanks to evolutionary drives (preselection) - women the opposite (a woman who fucks around is likely to become pregnant with someone else's child, ergo bad investment). A more controversial point is the idea that women will find it harder to fall in love/remain faithful with a high partner count.

All of this adds up to the difference being that men benefit from spinning plates, regardless of if they want to settle down eventually, while women do not benefit from sleeping around unless all they want in life is to be fucked by bad boys until they hit the wall (if that is actually what the want, more power to them, but most think they will magically meet mr. right at 40).

Drogoe · 2014-06-01T14:02:53+00:00

It comes down to biology, as with most things in the sex and romance game. Cut out the biology-- as certain groups are wont to do for expedient reasons--and it appears that the slut-stud different standard is an arbitrary iniquity, a vestige of the patriarchy, or some other vapid nonsense. Reality time: Women can get pregnant; men cannot. Women can dupe a man into raising another man's child; men cannot. For ancient evolutionary reasons, different paths to reproductive success emerged between the sexes. One glaring difference is that men value relative chastity in women for commitment because this reduces the chances of 4 billion years of genetic lineage being wiped out by a single act of cuckoldry. Promiscuous women are more likely to be unfaithful; the statistical correlation over aeons is what matters, not whether there are exceptions to this rule or whether contraceptives nullify the risk. Promiscuous males do not pose the same genetic risk. No culture on the planet is obsessed with male virginity. This is not a coincidence.

exit_sandman · 2014-06-01T17:00:44+00:00

Okay, now you got plenty of biological reasons for this, but since people who ask that question usually deny that there's any genetic reason for behavioral differences, let me put it like this:

women aren't really judgemental when it comes to men sleeping around - at least not in the way it counts. In fact, a man's popularity with the fairer sex correlates with the number of sexual partners he's already had so far. However, the opposite applies to men with little to no experience in that regard: Even if a woman tries not to be condescending towards male virgins over a certain age, one can be pretty sure that knowledge of that fact drastically reduces her readyness to perceive that man as a potential mate. It's a perfect application of the Matthew Principle: "For unto every one that hath shall be given, and he shall have abundance: but from him that hath not shall be taken away even that which he hath."
men on the other hand don't really lose much by being judgemental towards promiscuous girls and gain even less by being tolerant. As long as they don't voice any disgust directly and omit the fact that they may very well perceive a promiscuous girl as a nice lay, but not as a long term-partner, said woman won't hold it against them; even if a little research would make it abundantly clear to her that her actions diminish her value in his eyes. And a man who is outwardly appreciative of sluttyness on the other hand still won't be considered a potential sex partner just because of this position if she wasn't at least somewhat attracted to him in the first place.

Women are the gatekeepers to sex. So, if women want that particular double standard to disappear, they should either adapt the male perspective as their own, meaning they have to appreciate male virginity as a desirable sexual trait (and inversely stop rewarding promiscuous males by withholding sex from them the same way men punish promiscuous females by withholding commitment from them). Or they need to encourage males to move their sexual standards closer to their own, which means rewarding guys with romantic overtures who are rejecting and/or abandoning that double standard, while rejecting guys who are upholding it.

But since they will neither do the first nor the second, they should stop f*ing complaining.

shamanbard · 2014-06-01T15:51:15+00:00

Well, there are the metaphors themselves: spinning plates is a feat of skill and timing, whereas the cock carousel is merely ridden.

HalfPastTuna · 2014-06-01T14:20:17+00:00

The sexual standards and the behavior of men and woman is different. There is a double standard, sorry.

natethegreattt · 2014-06-01T14:56:33+00:00

Men increase their value by spinning plates whereas a girl on the cock carousel decreases her value

FortunateBum · 2014-06-01T18:11:51+00:00

Why is a woman more attracted to a male slut and less attracted to a male virgin?

Rainymood_XI · 2014-06-01T11:46:48+00:00

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2014-06-01T17:34:44+00:00

The more bitches I slap with my dick, the more bitches want me.

The more dicks slap a bitch in the face, the less I want her.

Such is life.

sleazy_rodeezyD · 2014-06-01T15:13:59+00:00

The value of my penis goes up with the more vaginas it has touched. The value of her vagina goes down with the more dicks it has touched.

exit_sandman · 2014-06-02T03:33:50+00:00

A girl riding the carousel is probably deep down looking for X (commitment) but receiving Y (sex). A guy spinning plates is looking for Y (sex) and receiving Y (sex). That is the difference and why you cannot just equate the two and say if men can spin plates, why is it bad for a woman to just be a bunch of dudes' plates throughout her 20s. The guy is getting what he wants and thus becoming a more confident, centered person as a result. The woman is not getting what she wants, and HAMSTERING until she convinces herself that what she is getting is indeed what she wants. Creating misery, nihilism, hatred of asshole men, etc, and training her to be addicted to the cock carousel / alpha fucks lifestyle. This means when she wants to settle down it will be very hard for her even if she does find a guy who will be her provider guy, simply because she has trained herself into valuing the validation-high from being pumped and dumped too much.

This is the difference. A plate is a victory for a man, because he gets sex yet keeps his TIME and MONEY, meaning he is still is a good position to keep himself open and improving in order to snag the higher value girl that could come along. This is optimal and why men should spin plates in their 20s. This inflow of new plates teaches men how to deal with females and evaluate them for relationship potential - and from that point, it is easy enough to elevate one of your best plates to GF status. This helps you get the optimal mate.

Women, however, do not want to be in this position, because it makes them basically unpaid interns that MAY potentially get a "job offer" if they meet your very high standards. (And RP is about learning to have high standards for yourself in all endeavors, that is a huge part of it). So for the majority of girls, being a plate is a horrible strategy. Riding the carousel, regardless of what feminism campaigns, will always lower your status and desirability as a mate. Riding the validation high that comes from being the hot girl in the club will make a girl feel like she can do anything and still be at the top of the world (and she can for a while). Which will make her not work hard on maintaining her youth and beauty with diet and exercise, developing skills / a satisfying career that isn't HR, and carving out a pleasant, sweet, unentitled, lovable personality that even a top status guy would fall for.

Ultimately, the difference is this - riding the carousel is so ridiculous easy and so filled with effortless validation, that doing so for several years will make you stupid, lazy, cynical, hamstery, and fat / prematurely aged. I used to live in LA and I saw this all the time - girls who were smart, beautiful, etc etc at 19 hitting the clubs and by 25 just being these shipwrecks, these graveyards of aborted dreams and potential. I know this sounds harsh - and it is very harsh - it is the cost of being basically the highest value thing in the entire world from teenage ages to 25ish.

Now where it is easy for women to ride the carousel, it is requires effort, status, some degree of game and confidence, etc for men. While some men pop out of the womb as high status, talented, etc, even these men must work hard to do justice to their lucky genetics to some degree in order to be the "cock carousel". This difficulty - the fact that being the cock carousel is impassably difficult for most betas to achieve - drives men to pour their energy like a workhorse into building their career, their body, their confidence, anything they can think of that they associate with being in the alpha role. As long as they don't turn bitter, opt out of the hustle for self betterment, and become internet trolls / haters, this journey will make men accomplish shit and ultimately happier in the long run (even if they do not become the pimp they wanted to be).

It is a world of difference - men and women who ignore that difference tend to suffer the consequences down the road.

wall-of-meth · 2014-06-01T13:34:26+00:00

Women who give themselves to men easily run the risk of having and transferring STDs, giving birth to a not-healthy child, not being able to provide for a family in a female way. This is because they are only capitalizing on their body potential and aren't able to make long-run decisions. They can't control themselves and thus they won't be able to control anything else.

Also, the key and lock analogy:

A key that can open a lot of locks is a masterkey and hence very valuable as such. A lock that can be opened by a lot of keys is a bad lock and hence not valuable as such.

2014-06-01T16:23:34+00:00

Women and men are playing entirely different games under the surface. The resultant reality of these games gives us an ever changing playing field to examine.

There is no difference in the reality of "a man spinning plates and a girl riding the carousel". But the games that they are playing have different scoring metrics. Women, for example, value social resources in a completely different way from men. Something I've been thinking on for example: Female loyalty is a more rare and specific trait built upon the foundation of her personality, but most likely only executed in certain contexts. Male loyalty is more generalized and is the foundation for the male's personality - a reversal from the woman's, it is the idea that a man will be "down for anything," but a woman will be down for only a select set of activities (which she intends for you to infer about her).

If this reversal of loyalty and personality is true, then it is obvious that there will be a definite difference in the way the woman and man approach everything in their social circles. And social life is a small facet of life, the differences snake their tendrils into everything and come from all over the place - Boys have a penis, girls have a vagina. Boys can't get pregnant, girls can. Boys will have reproductive potency for a almost a century, girl's time is cut in half and sooner is generally genetically better. All of these differences make the games different.

So to answer your question again: There is no difference between the two on the surface! But life is much deeper than just what we observe.

seedang · 2014-06-01T11:40:42+00:00

Spinning plates takes effort. Riding the carousel is effortless.

2014-06-01T16:01:13+00:00

Would you preferer to drink in a bottle of water used by 20 men or a new one?

samtheredditman · 2014-06-01T18:36:08+00:00

the female equivalent of spinning plates is having orbiters.

gabilromariz · 2014-06-01T19:50:55+00:00

Both sexes are more valuable when they're wanted/desired. Except men are more valuable when they seal the deal, so to speak, as proof that they are attractive, and not just as friends.

Women on the other hand are better as they refuse more suitors as it shows she has enough value to get a better man

6TLaRm4g · 2014-06-02T14:51:39+00:00

It's the same. This subreddit is not about telling people to live life correctly. It's about getting equal with women. If they can take advantage of guys and ride the carousel, why would guys not do it?

Only positive thing I can see for riding the carousel is you get better at sex and at women in general. Otherwise it's wasted energy. You don't get any closer to anything by doing it. In contrast to having a table relationship and kids.

Therealredpill · 2014-06-03T08:32:40+00:00

If TRP could just go gay it would would solve 99% of all their problems, who's the gatekeeper to sex now ladies??

SariaLystra · 2014-06-04T18:44:52+00:00

The man has to compete against other men for his plates while the woman can choose whatever cock she wants. It's like asking the difference between winning the Super Bowl and getting free samples from Costco.

bringer_of_fight · 2014-06-06T23:49:59+00:00

Eggs are more valuable than sperm.

musicmusicmusic420 · 2014-06-01T17:58:24+00:00

They are different things, but it gets blown so far out of proportion. Every time that someone says "Women are the gatekeepers of sex" I find it laughable. It's like some sort of male inferiority complex. Have none of you ever been hit on or approached for sex by a woman? I'm of the opinion that it's just as easy for a guy to get laid as a girl if you're not hideous, maintain your fitness, and know how to act (an almost unreasonable level of confidence). But that might just be my experience. I really see this as the one major flaw in this sub's philosophy, we wax philosophical all day about how to get chicks into bed, and then somehow think less of them after it happens.

SingularlyDecomposed · 2014-06-01T13:57:39+00:00

The lock/key analogy is preposterous. Girls do it for validation. Men do it for validation/ "the hunt". You can blather about locks all day long. But that feeling in your mind is similar in both places. It feels good to be wanted and to get what you want. Don't be delusional. Do not tell me that it is respectable having a dude spend all his time juggling women. What a waste of one's free time.

Drogoe · 2014-06-01T14:30:26+00:00

By the way, just in case anyone thinks the key and lock analogy is actually a good analogy, it isn't really. It doesn't have much "explanatory power" beyond a cute surface level quip. Just consider if women had penis-shaped vaginas and men had vagina-like cocks but all else was the same in terms of gametes beneath the genitalia (women get pregnant through, men impregnate). As ridiculous as it sounds, the same dynamics would be at play (as they are today), regardless of the genitalia. It's not about cocks and vaginas, it's about the machinery behind them: differential gamete size, or eggs and sperm.

Nantafiria · 2014-06-01T11:54:52+00:00

There isn't really any. The difference lies in the way people look upon it.

Title	What is the difference between a man spinning plates and a girl riding the carousel?
Author	Rainymood_XI
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Date	June 1, 2014 11:28 AM UTC (12 years ago)
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