Why are men so "gay" nowadays?

MindTheFuture · 2015-04-16T17:03:06+00:00

Mainly ingroup signaling. Part of freshly found identity belonging to a subculture, and they try to belong by mimicking and overdoing it. (Say compare to metal-teens - who is more true metal / punk / goth than the others?) That is what they think being gay is. Until later on become more ok with being themselves. Being overly flamboyant is a common phase that gays go to trough in tweens.

Another thing is that it is a subculture where you're ok for not being manly. If you're grown up aiming to be masculine for sake of belonging, of course letting it go feels freeing and easy. It is easy to be feminine, reactive, catty, vain and unaccounted for. They'll feel that fuck that stoic-manly-man shit - way too much effort and restraint for no reason, because they think that being gay would free a man from the traits that make him attractive. It won't fly long. As they age, they'll learn that to get the best men, they'll have to be physically in damn good shape - men are visual and the field is highly competitive. Gay men are more demanding on looks department than women. They'll find that the masculine virtues will still be considered attractive, as there are plenty of men who prefer manly men.

NeoreactionSafe · 2015-04-16T15:05:58+00:00

http://www.radixjournal.com/journal/2014/2/21/why-we-need-hillary

Jack Donovan is a gay male, but is very masculine.

This is actually a point of severe disappointment within the overall gay community that Feminism is sucking the masculinity out of being a homosexual male.

Ironically some of our strongest male writers are themselves attracted to men.

Feminism prefers trannies.

cock_pussy_up · 2015-04-16T15:35:04+00:00

Here's my guess:

In older generations homosexuality was socially taboo, even illegal. So gay men had no incentive to "act gay". In fact, it would be the opposite. They'd want to act "normal" so they wouldn't be found out.

But today, gays are basically a protected group in western countries (at least in big cosmopolitan cities). Homosexuality is legal, and gays are socially accepted (at least in big western cities).

But sexual attraction to the opposite is the basically the default setting of humans. So men with gay preferences are a minority. They have to be able to find each other. Its easy to tell women apart from men, adults from prepubescent children, and cats from dogs. But how can you tell a gay from a straight? There's no physical difference.

How can you tell what a person is sexually attracted to without going through their porn collection or internet history? How do you know who a person has sex with without hiring a private detective to follow them around? You don't know.

That's where the "gay" behavior may come in. By acting as flamboyantly as possible, the gays make themselves known to other gays. That means playing up the gay feminine stereotype into maximum overdrive.

RunTheJewelsFast · 2015-04-16T15:30:07+00:00

Even on the TRP, I expected to open the comments and find some sort of PC police.

It never ceases to refresh me with the true nature of the manosphere. We all know what was meant by saying "gay", but no one got butt-hurt or offended by it.

Redpillc0re · 2015-04-16T17:37:32+00:00

I 'd be more concerned about how unballsy straight men are today.

Dev_on · 2015-04-16T19:42:35+00:00

Because now that you don't get beat up in the street for being Gay, people are more open about it.

Everyone was as gay as they used to be, just a lot less people living lives of quiet desparation.

If you're referring more to the effeminate parts, I remember askhistorians or asksocialscience had a thread on the gay lisp, and how it develops. That might be more helpful

oldredder · 2015-04-17T03:30:58+00:00

This has nothing to do with the red pill.

If you want to know why some gay men are more effeminate and/or flaming you need them to tell you the reason.

Most men here are not gay so we have no idea and never will.

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Park_Hobo · 2015-04-16T15:09:58+00:00

I have the same view as you about this, but I have never heard "A is trying to be more gay than me." What if being gay is more competitive than we thought and the more you dramatise the gayer you are perceived to be...

relationshipdownvote · 2015-04-16T15:16:42+00:00

I've always thought it might be an indicator of whether or not they are the bottom, or submissive one. Seems like sending that message in their outward appearance would be useful.

Cum_on_doorknob · 2015-04-16T15:20:42+00:00

Here's one theory:

I used to be the shy beta. I'd be in college and I'd see "douche-bags" shouting "WOOO" all the time. I would always feel this visceral hate towards them. Essentially, all these guys are playing a role to get sex; loud, obnoxious, frat archetype. It works. These guys fuck girls.

Gay guys are doing the same thing. Although instead of showing off their masculinity, they are instead showing off some other trait that other gay men find appealing.

Now, older gay guys wouldn't do that because there used to be no social value in displaying you homosexuality. I would imagine a discrete partner would be more valuable. But, now of course gays are much more free to be open. And that's a good thing.

Just like I had to learn to stop hating male sexual strategy and realized that women actual see value in this foolishness, you should learn that gay men simply are doing the same thing. They just want to increase there odds of getting sex. Good for them.

Shadowmat · 2015-04-17T05:42:16+00:00

I know exactly what you mean. I have no problem with gay men, but my favourite gay men are the ones whom you'd never know it unless you asked or they told you.

I think the issue at hand here, is that with gay culture, these men are using their "gayness" as an identity. They feel that being gay is what defines them as people, so they make these stereotypical gay traits into who they are. The whole of their personality then become WHO THEY ARE. These people are defined by the fact they love dick while having a dick.

Frankly its absolutely pathetic and disgusting, for the fact that they nothing else to offer people and the world than their gayness. We have gay pride and there are even gay districts in certain cities. If this is how people define themselves, by their sexuality, then what we have is a sorry lot of pathetic and worthless people.

Their behaviors, manurisms etc... are all forcibly embodied. They have to actually work at emulating these stereotypical traits which no normal human being ever ends up having unless they force themselves to adopt them.

I use the word fag in a derogatory fashion like most yes, but anyone can be a fag including straight men. At the end of the day, to put it nicely, I am not fond of faggots at all... Because of this stupid shit.

ForgeAndTemper · 2015-04-17T13:19:13+00:00

For redpill type discussion of wider social/political/economic concepts etc, get yourself over to /r/darkenlightenment, I think you'll find it interesting.

dhump · 2015-04-18T10:12:44+00:00

I really thought this was going to be a post about how feminine the younger men are these days (how do you fit your balls into those skinny jeans?).

Still delivered. Very true. Used to work with 2 gay guys. One was a little more effeminate, the other you would swear was straight. Both liked manly men, and hated the faeries.

anon5489 · 2015-04-16T16:42:47+00:00

Why do straight guys try to act so masculine? Why do they put no inflection in their tone so you have to guess how they are actually feeling in that moment?

Its all about sexual dynamics and who you are trying to attract and if anything its more complicated in the gay world because there isn't a clear "femmes go with mascs" dynamic like with woman and men. I like this place, its interesting, but straight dynamics and male gender role behavior are fucking BORING a lot of the time. The only reason you all act like masculine alphas is because it getsyou the sex that you want (and its more respected in pop culture) . If all women wanted hairless guys you would all be shaving by next week. Because sex and "love" is the shit.

monsieurhire2 · 2015-04-16T16:54:21+00:00

First point: There's nothing objective "wrong" with being effeminate. I never understood why some men are threatened or disturbed by effeminate males. What is the guy going to do? Physically overpower you and have his way with you? Then I learned the term "latent, closeted, self-hating homosexual." So, mystery solved.

I would also add that William S. Burroughs believed the effeminate homosexual to be a social construct, but that could be something to do with his own psychodynamics, where he felt some subconscious disgust for his own tendencies and wanted to distance himself from them by projecting an image of hyper-masculine, gun-wielding desperado.

In any case, people are influenced by media portrayals, and if the media oligarchs want to portray gay men as "effeminate" to brand and stereotype them, so that straight men know to not behave like them, then it will influence gay men to act how they perceive a gay should act based on TV sitcom portrayals. If you're a gay kid, chances are, you are closeted and have no gay role models. It's statistically probable. It's also likely you'll take at least some cues from TV. However, then you have people that just act that way from birth. And then you have people that act that way, but are nurtured another way, and vice versa. So, you have many paths to reaching a particular personality. There is no one explanation. Why this disturbs OP so much is anyone's guess.

Madam-Temacia · 2015-04-16T21:10:02+00:00

People getting offended by you saying gay

Fuck off to tumblr he isnt used quotations

Title	Why are men so "gay" nowadays?
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