Why do men bitch about feminism instead of fighting for THEIR equality?

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rporion · 2016-04-04T20:13:48+00:00

You have to understand, when women complain, even though it may be about bullshit (pay gap), people listen.

If men complain, they are worthless and are treated with disdain and ostracism, men and women are not on an equal playing field when it comes to this.

We have no chance in the court of public opinion, human nature is not wired that way, but we can starve the system of our cooperation it so desperately needs.

Edit: evidence a, your post.

MRAs automatically are neck bearded basement dwelling losers, because the very second they complain, you classify them as such.

So no, you will never see an MRA who is anything but, because you are unable to.

MattyAnon · 2016-04-04T22:39:04+00:00

I am a feminist too.

I believe in a woman's right to fuck me whenever she pleases. I believe in a woman's right to try her best to earn as much as me, and her right to pay her way so that I don't have to.

I believe a woman has equal rights to birth control and children's rights, child support - exactly the same as a man. But not alimony, until women take up their rights to marry men poorer than themselves.

We also need to close the gap on female suicide, female death at work, and the number of women in low paid blue collar jobs. Come on women, you can do it! Girl power!

And we need to close the productivity gap... men are STILL producing more output for the same amount of time and money. This needs to be fixed with quotas, to stop men being so talented and working so hard.

an article in Guardian about how when it comes to reproductive rights men are treated unjustly

Not going to happen, The Guardian is a feminist rag. Don't be persuaded otherwise, it's just SJW/Liberal/Politically-Correct feminism. I'm sick of that pile of toilet roll.

In my opinion, since nobody can be forced to be a parent,... blah blah

Sure, and you're campaigning for this with all the fervour that your sisters are using against us? You twitter about this? You post it up on your Facebook? hmmmm thought not.

Are there any genuine (ie not living in mums basement, virgin, non Eliot Rodger kind) male rights activists?

Yes, and literally noone listens to them. Same was as you don't. They get no publicity, no recognition, no nothing. The media ignores them in favour of some sob story about how some woman who didn't get raped is upset about something or other.

Truthsitter · 2016-04-04T20:21:29+00:00

I think you completely misunderstand the point of this subreddit. We're not here for activism, in fact few give a shit about fighting for men's rights, acting like pathetic victims. Go watch Milo give speeches or Youtube videos if that is what you're interested in. We are here to share strategies for how to be the best men we can be, get laid, and look out for current trends that might impact our lives.

So while there may be way too many topics bitching about feminism, we are simply analyzing current events through a red pill lens. It keeps our wits sharp, and helps refine our approach to different situations.

Kingofmyworld909 · 2016-04-04T20:42:58+00:00

Males and females will never be equal. That's biological fact. The only equality that is truly shared between the two sexes (although this is true for all living things, and therefore gender does not matter) is that one day we all stop breathing. Other than that, the only two ways it'd be appropriate to say that both men and women are equal is to look at each others economic value or if we all had the same reproductive parts (and even then this would only be covering gender equality).

Granted, this is not to say that any one male is innately more valuable (at birth) than any one female, or vice versa. One's value increases up to a certain point (whatever age they enter the work force, after which one increases or decreases his/her own economic value) and this is primarily due to the investments put into the child by the parent(s). Value between the two genders is appraised by comparison of individuals and not all males vs all females, which is why it's counterproductive to fight for standardized rights for both sexes.

The needs of males are not the same as those of females. Men actually can be forced to be a parent (and drunken ONS's are only one of the many reasons why this is true), as getting divorce raped and/or having to pay child support (whether or not he gets custody or partial) is essentially providing for one's kid. Until (in the US or any other country where child support laws of a similar nature exist) it is possible for men to choose whether or not they want to be a father and not get reprimanded for reproducing, your opinion will remain invalid regarding forced parenthood. They may not be in the picture as far as day to day physical activities with the child, but they most certainly can be forcibly present financially.

And as far as bashing feminazis, it's amusing. It makes people feel good being able to talk shit (not always the case) or laugh at something that is truly ironic, funny, etc. =\

McLarenX · 2016-04-04T21:29:16+00:00

"let me say that I'm a 1st wave feminist"

No, you're not. You're a third waver trying to bait us.

FunAndFreedom · 2016-04-04T20:36:51+00:00

There is no such thing as equality sweetheart.

That said, for the top 20% of men, feminism presents no problems. Women are hypergamous and will fuck those men all day, based on your post history you've been passed around quite a bit yourself. The only risk to the top 20% is that some will get hit with make believe rape charges, but nothing outside of that.

It's the bottom 80% of guys who are relegated to beta bux. They would benefit tremendously if feminism was rolled back. But you know what, fuck those guys.

You better hope can lock one of those beta bux down before you hit the wall because life is hard for girls when they lose their biggest asset, their looks.

2016-04-04T20:09:42+00:00

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phoenix_reborn84 · 2016-04-04T20:38:44+00:00

TRP is not men's rights, it's for sexual strategy and personal growth.

The Right wing supports men but is shunned by TRP. As is marriage and the creation of families and heirs for the propagation of values, genes and culture. It's a fun subreddit to learn how to individually grow and get laid but it ignores political power, which is the essence of empowerment.

InscrutablePUA · 2016-04-04T21:05:36+00:00

Men are too busy competing with each other for pussy and resources to do what you're suggesting. Plus, men tend to blame themselves when shit doesn't go right, whereas women will blame men, society, oppressors, etc.

pfffft_comeon · 2016-04-04T22:46:30+00:00

what do you mean fight for equality and why do you think we want that?

Pornography_saves_li · 2016-04-04T23:06:08+00:00

'Male' rights activist. Telling.

You do not understand the dynamic between men and women, why women got what they want, or what stands in the way of men. You think men's "experiences" are the same as women's. You have zero understanding of the 'privelege' you have, thus think men doing the same things will yield the same results.

This is the kind of thinking thatbis driving the increasing hatred of women. You display absolutely zero empathy, while claiming exclusive reign over the concept.

I would feel sorry for you and yours, but since youre all apparently narcisisstic bigots, frankly, you can all hang. We men will enjoy the decline, and watch everything you love burn....

Dramatic, hey?

CanuckinFL · 2016-04-04T23:37:21+00:00

Poison ivy, your comment requires me to reply. Forgive the length-

First off hats off to you for challenging us to defend intelligently (I stress this) the purpose of what brings us in here- it's (The Red Pill) as I see it, a wake up call to men to find themselves, simply. What you're witnessing is a de-coupling, perhaps a bit of a rough one, from women to accomplish this. It's honestly too generic, to basic, for it to translate into politically mandated things, because that's not finding yourself, that's an "ism"- and those rights come at the expense of society as a collective. We know this-why? Do yourself a favor and read, study and examine The First World War. Men were turned into pieces and the ground a charnel house. That's where ill informed and ignorant paternalism takes us. Men died by he millions for NO reason. And so much so, women had to build the shells. That's how the suffragettes got the vote, that was WHY we needed women to work. And seriously, the only reason. It was pure madness. Fast forward: y'all (women) are lost, but it's horrible for us to see. We literally made it happen. But it's 100 years later. So by my reckoning that is 90 odd years of slow, permeating madness that WE buy into shamefacedly. Enough.

Women need to return to the feminine, men to the masculine. lot of us been lost awhile, mesmerized with women's... Issues-enough.

That's all. Now prove you're man enough to be here and read some goddam thing about our collective history, (my biggest gripe that women don't read up on)- and realize men always hurt themselves way worse than we hurt you, or that you perceive with hurt feelings. But you may need to read a goddam history book. That means read further than the length of your own nose and self interest.

TheNewMe1997 · 2016-04-04T23:48:34+00:00

Well this will be deleted soon...

BlackPhoenix01 · 2016-04-05T01:17:22+00:00

Firstly, we're in agreement about the suffragettes and reproductive rights. I don't see why we should preclude women from the same political rights that we men have.

However, the fact still remains, no matter how utopian people try to be, that men and women function differently, and they are expected by society to play their respective roles, even if they are explicitly told otherwise. I guarantee that even the most hardcore 3rd wave, bra-burning feminist, barring lesbianism, probably has a fantasy involving a muscular alpha.

I despise the MRM (it's simply the reverse side of the coin that is 3rd wave) simply because they're people that whine and moan about things that are simply natural, rather than accepting things as they are and working around that, like the people of this subreddit realise.

Entropy-7 · 2016-04-05T08:22:18+00:00

Maybe the OP should go over to AVFM and become an MRA, or encourage others to do so.

The bitching here is usually a wake up moment that guys want to share so that other guys reading it won't make the same mistake. Other posts aren't so much bitching but illustrating TRP articles of faith, confirming that there is something real to the ideas being discussed here.

TRP isn't about "fighting for THEIR equality" but rather understanding reality and taking appropriate measures to deal with it.

As Billy Bragg sang: I don't want to change the world, I'm not looking for New England, I'm just looking for another girl.

Testoste_RON · 2016-04-04T20:43:23+00:00

DO NOT WASTE YOUR TIME ENLIGHTENING THIS INDOCTRINATED WOMAN. She does not seek truth, she only wants to waste our time. Let her live her miserable life. Wasting time on women you are not screwing is USELESS!

Coolbeans024ptf · 2016-04-04T21:22:24+00:00

Men aren't going to stand up and claim victimhood. Women will be the ones to fix many of men's rights issues because every time a man is victimized a women somewhere feels the pain.

Piroko · 2016-04-04T20:22:02+00:00

By your own admission you dislike "third wave feminists", but you're mad at us for not liking feminism.

Has it occurred to you that feminism, to us, appears as a single front? That we see people who say "I'm a feminist but I'm not one of those feminists" as being no different?

You use the word, so you give your credibility to them.

That's it. You are a number in their horde.

Title	Why do men bitch about feminism instead of fighting for THEIR equality?
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Date	April 4, 2016 8:06 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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