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[–]NeoreactionSafe 54 points55 points56 points 10 years ago* (28 children) | Copy Link
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Ideal Dude : Alpha Fucks + Beta Bucks
Main Dude : Beta Bucks
Chad : Alpha Fucks
It makes sense to have two men in a woman's life when that woman lacks the SMV to get the full package.
Red Pill teaches you how to have the Bucks and the Fucks.
[–][deleted] 21 points22 points23 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
A good post. AF/BB isn't a binary state. What's considered Alpha and Beta also weighs on local social and political mores.
Example. In most places a balding white dude of typical physique would be Beta aesthetically. Give him a political seat ,and he's suddenly attractive in a way the muscular musician just can't match. What's the hamster to do when she's married to a music professor who's phsyically attractive but broke , yet works under an average looking guy with good game and massive power?
Who's Alpha? Who's Beta?
Now flip the script. Music concert time. Professor takes his instrument and hits the stage. Suddenly Mr Politico is now the Beta by status.
Change the arena and you change the game. I like to believe Redpill gives man the mental tools he needs to game the women whether he's in a conference room , a ghetto block or a concert hall.
[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Yes, status is contextual. Hierarchy forms within a setting and women are drawn to the top tier dudes according to that room's context. Switch rooms and the competitors, context and value deck reshuffles.
Social savvy, looks and Game are universal, so keep reading, lifting, and approaching.
[–]wordjedi3 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
Hierarchy forms within a setting and women are drawn to the top tier dudes according to that room's context.
I can tell you as a 40+ I've been all up and down the status ladder in various contexts and social groups. I'm about done with trying to be the top dog in the fucking stamp collecting club.
But women just won't let go of this horse shit. Social status is their only fetish. Everything else is pretty much basic bitch.
[–]Endorsed ContributorRedPillDad 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
haha, well said. It's their hypergamous nature. They judge every guy as either fuckable or not, and constantly window shop for a potential upgrade. And they want to verify they still have the goods to lure other men, so they keep the flirtations active.
I don't mind that women are incredibly judgmental. In terms of biologic imperative, they need to be. It all the pretending they aren't, and the demonization of male judgment, which tends to be far more tame in comparison to how women see each other.
The angriest shit on TRP couldn't hold a candle to the vitriol some women whisper about each other.
[–]DailyManliness 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Even when she has the full package over time she will still get bored, being the perfect combo might just get you more time and make the relationship last longer, maybe the divorce rate drops from 70% to 40% in that scenario but the fact is the odds are almost insurmountable that she will leave, things can help but even being an ideal TRP man can only help your turn last just a little bit longer
Edit: Obviously there are exceptions and "better" situations do exist, maybe you're a 9 ideal TRP man and she's hit the wall and a 7 and something like that could also extend your time, but even then, there's no guarantees
[–]TheReformist94 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
That's why you just get some on the side.its pathetic being monogamous according to her frame just waiting for her to cheat or split.theres no incentive on an economic scale
[–]TRP_Werther 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was going to neg you for promoting infidelity, but it's not truly a bad thing.
In my parents time, a married man was allowed to have a 'sweetheart'.
He could sleep with her and even have children with her, but he couldn't leave his wife for her.
This isn't really a bad thing, the man gets to have numerous partners and his wife gets lifelong protection and security (something the 'sweetheart' wants but will never get)
[–]billythebeta 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Branch swinging is an epidemic with modern women due to how they're raised. They're fed attention by so many thristy beta orbiters, and validated via social media just for existing, if they're moderately fit. If you marry a woman raised with these "progressive values," then you're always at a disadvantage. The idea with a LTR is to get as close to the "snowflake" paragon of a woman as you can. A woman raised in a RP society with RP values is less likely to branch swing than her equivalent in a progressive society. Note, this is still a game of risk since AWALT, but it's about playing smart with your odds.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
I know it's an irrelevance so my apologies gents but I love your posts.
The periods have me reading it like a telegram from dark enlightenment.
STOP.
[–]Mofocheez 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
The dude is in his 50's and he's kind of schizoid.
Probably doesn't even realize he's posting on the internet.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
When you've contributed a twentieth that he has to TRP/DE someone may find that funny.
[–]RedSugarPill 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
Neo is absolutely one of my favorite TRPers, but I still chuckled. It's like making fun of Trump's hair--you can't help but giggle just a little bit, and hope you don't get fired for doing so (with all due respect Neo--I love you man--funny hair/sentence structure, and all :)
and I am more deeply flawed than I care to admit..
-humbly
[–]NeoreactionSafe 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Okay, so I have Trump hair (metaphorically) and the use of "dots" is something that has become sort of my trademark style... it's not hurting anyone.
In this OP there were three bullet points and they do weird stuff with spacing in that whatever follows the list will be formatted too closely to not give visual room. The dot above was a last minute change to center the list and give it more "pop". The last dot is my typical "well that's it" signoff.
Today I'm recovering from a long bar/club experience (3pm to 2am last night) which was a lot of fun.
There was a DJ who I talked with for a while and also his friend who literally was involved in the Church of Satan so we talked about a bunch of stuff. Then the music gets started and I'm out dancing with different women which is great because I'm good at dancing. Later I'm getting really into a blonde in good shape of about 35 and we are all over each other. I'm behind her and nipping at her neck. Then I suggest we go home and she says she's married.
My choice is to become Chad Thundercock as the Alpha Fucks while her husband is the Beta Bucks or to just leave, so I just left. But at that moment it was clear the door was open for me to become her exciting sex toy.
The first time I got a married woman to consider cheating was maybe 30 years ago so it's no surprise.
Being the Chad sex toy means you don't rank all that highly in a woman's life even though they can be made to do crazy things if you wanted to exploit the situation.
One last dot.
[–]RedSugarPill 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Don't change a thing, man..In addition to your eye-opening insights, I love your writing style. On another note, I wonder why the post was deleted.
[–]Mofocheez 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
John Nash may have completely revolutionized economics, but it doesn't mean he didn't have some serious delusions and mental issues.
My lack of contribution here doesn't minimize my claims about his mental state.
e: also, if that offended your delicate sensibilities, may I recommend taking a break from the internets in order to get your panties out of a bunch?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Actually it's exactly that kind of thinking that has me posting to TRP less and less these days.
"This guy is a schizoid and doesn't know he's on the net lololol"
"Dude he's done loads more than you what's that about?"
"Fucking lol calm down umadbro?"
Shrugs.
[–]Mofocheez 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.
Accomplishments don't provide a shield for irrational thinking and spewing of jibberish.
What Neo has or has not done for this sub does not preclude him from saying crazy shit.
Further, putting him on some sort of pedalstal is ironic, don't you think? I have plenty of thoughts on why this sub isn't much different from 2X, but I'm sure it would be lost on you. Seeing as you're overly sensitive when I break your TRP cult status narrative.
But who the fuck am I, and what do I know? Nothing, by your standards, as I haven't contributed shit here... Obviously.
[–]RojoEscarlata 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Is not about the man itself, as OP stated you can be the "full package" and still be cheated on, if the right contexts presents itself a woman will "cheat". This is just part of how hypergamy works, is not going to change any time soon, and women should not be judged upon primary sexual instincts (polygamy being the opposite side of the sexual coin). But in a society whether women don't have restrictions to help them and society "control" those urges women as a whole just run along with it. There most be a reason that most old societies/ideas/believes always converge on the ideas like sex segregation and women's decorum.
[–]NeoreactionSafe 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
That's the key point that the Blue Pill now teaches the guys to tolerate Naked Hypergamy and so women are granted powers that wouldn't normally exist.
In nature a man walks away when dissatisfied.
In the Blue Pill a man pays child support.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Most beta bucks were already born millionaire not much we can do. The economic is trash. The future of human labor is trash.
[–]Zachar1a6 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (6 children) | Copy Link
Whine, whine, whine. Would you like cheese with that?
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
Can't stand the truth? I don't just whine, I have a solution. Get a fleshlight, leave the woman alone they are not worth the time, play video games. OPT OUT, don't vote in democratic election because it is a joke. Google George Carlin. Get the REAL red pill son.
[–]Mofocheez 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
MGTOW isn't red pill.
It's not necessarily a wrong viewpoint, but they are two extremely different ideologies with different goals.
[–]Falkrik 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
While they are different, they do overlap IMO. I know a lot of guys that are MGTOW used to follow RP philosophies or at least have the knowledge of them. A lot of guys go MGTOW because of TRP.
[–]Mofocheez 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I don't disagree, but the poster seemed to suggest it to be the only proper way... Which TRP is not the place for such extremist thinking.
[–]Falkrik 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Fair enough, reading it again does make it sound that way.
[–]billythebeta 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I was born into a poor family and I'm now close to becoming a doctor who will be earning well into 6 figures. You have no excuses.
[–]gbombay87 79 points80 points81 points 10 years ago (25 children) | Copy Link
Good post. I'd like to add that an LTR always put you at a disadvantage. If you're committed you take yourself out of the game to some extent. A girl, on the other hand, is NEVER out of the game. She just has to maintain a decent appearance and can be approached even when in an LTR and decide on a case-by-case basis whether jumping ship is worth is the risk. She cannot be "blamed" for being approached by guys, whereas you could be blamed for approaching women while in an LTR.
It's definitely a raw deal, but it is what it is and we are all free to choose what is best for us.
[–]1whatsazipper 36 points37 points38 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
A girl, on the other hand, is NEVER out of the game.
Thus, even if you enter an "LTR", you can never afford to take yourself out of the game nor convey that you're entirely off the market. That's the ugly truth of contemporary relationships.
[–]o_c_d6 points 10 years ago [recovered] (1 child) | Copy Link
This guy gets it. Perhaps another point for this comment. It encapsulates trp in one statement. Mods?
[–]1whatsazipper 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I never ended up with another point, but I appreciate the recognition nonetheless. Thanks for your support.
[–]103342 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
The problem is: keeping yourself "in the game" as a guy takes A LOT more effort. In fact, women are never truly out of the game.
[–]BrunoOh 20 points21 points22 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
They are kicked off the ride if they age or get fat.
[–]DodgedAFew 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Kicked off to a cheaper ride. Female hobos are approached by male hobos for sure.
[–]punis1 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Dude there are toothless crack hoes getting paid for sex, every "functioning" female can get laid
[–]TheReformist94 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If they're never truly out the game,you take a mistress.
[–]ben0wn4g3 16 points17 points18 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So you tell them that you're allowed to approach and chat to women when you go out. If she doesn't like that then she shouldn't be going out.
Man chatting up women = women going out and dressing up.
Dressing up IS female version of chatting up men.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you tell them that you're allowed to approach
There is no permission here. If you say anything, you say you're doing it. But really don't say it... do it, and do it in front of her. Let her feel it rather than abstractly believe it.
[–]trpdgc 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
This is not necessarily true. Men age well and women don't, and wasting a certain amount of time on a relationship is much easier on a man.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
wasting a certain amount of time on a relationship is much easier on a man.
It's really not. LTR's kill a man's drive, kill his practice with women, kills his game and lowers his testosterone.
[–]trpdgc 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
But getting all of that back isn't impossible or doesn't require surgery.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Five years out of the game is five years lost progress
[–]TheReformist94 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
No you chose an LTR and just branchswing and cheat like a girl. They have killed the trust a loving man could have for a woman. Concealed ovulation and afbb mean women are hardwired to be dishonest. Why and ltr and Not spin plates you ask? Just like branchswinging ensures bb constancy forba woman,ltrs give men constant sex and companionship to a degree.the market has been deregulated,all is fair in the new marketplace.sexual strategy is amoral.women don't give a fuck about chresting,dont have a shred of remorse and cant comprehend loyalty as a concept,so your honesty is wasted on the creature in the first place.women ride af then settle for bb,men get "unicorn" amd side pussy
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[–]199639 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
I'm curious how old you are, I don't mean to be disparaging but if I'm honest this is something that most guys have trouble believing until they get a little older and get some experience under their belt. Our nature is to be trusting, and that's perhaps a noble trait but it does make us vulnerable to our blind spots.
[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Sidebar. If you don't believe the things here said about women, it's because the women in your life did their job of hiding it well. Most of the men here arrived after getting a glimpse of what's really going on behind the scenes in the female world.
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[–]Joseph_the_Carpenter 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Not that all women are cheating whores. Most men are here because they felt that there was something wrong going on, that what was being said and taught to them wasn't matching up with the reality and actions they were seeing.
[–]Linrraba 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Wouldn't you consider a man being married a form of preselection?
[–]Senior Endorsed Contributormax_peenor 17 points18 points19 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
she's always shopping for better and will eventually trade up
I used the term "women are always shopping" years ago, long before I heard anyone use the term hypergamy. The part that we tend to forget is that it applies to everything, not just mates. Women consume absurd amount of resources to upgrade everything in their lives--their purses, their floors, their cars, their shoes, their kitchens, their EVERYTHING. They can't be satisfied and they are wired that way. Why? Because once they feel like they can't consume resources, they fear the resources my dry up for good and with it any sense of their cherished stability.
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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Yeh, LTRs are an act of self-defeating madness, IMO, that's why I decided to abandon that shit long ago.
The main difficulty has been fighting off family pressures to get married. This is a fight I just don't know how to win. My parents want me married and want me to have children. I understand why; they made a huge investment in me and want that investment paid off with the propagation of their genes. I get it, it's not a mystery, I just don't want to go with it.
[–]DodgedAFew 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, it sucks. They basically want you to save the private Ryan. You are the squad.
[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You don't have a natural desire to propagate your own genes?
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This is a fight I just don't know how to win.
Dude.. it's your body. Just say "no". They have to respect that, and should immediately stop pressuring you. If they continue, they are guilty of harassment and you should report them to.... oh wait sorry, wrong script.
Seriously though, just say no. You win by not doing what they want. You don't need them to shut up and stop pressuring you. You need to just stop listening to them.
I understand why; they made a huge investment in me and want that investment paid off with the propagation of their genes. I get it, it's not a mystery, I just don't want to go with it.
A bargain you had no part in and never agreed to. As such, it is not a bargain. Their genes will live just fine in any brothers, cousins, etc - the world just has with a one-billionth less of the extra combination that you've got.
[–][deleted] 10 points11 points12 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Women are addicted to attention, and since loser women have nothing but their pussy to barter with they need constant validation of their desirability. They'll take it wherever they can find it.
[–][deleted] 10 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
You say "selection bias", and the effect is real.
Now tell me... for my gamble of lifelong commitment (legally enforced) ... how do I know which sample I'm getting?
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (12 children) | Copy Link
What about 'Don Draper' type LTRs; where you have your own unicorn/slut/gf triforce going on? Seems like a good compromise to me.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
There was a series called "Married with Children"in the 90s. The main character and his wife are arguing about their relationship. The guy roughly says: "You (women) don't stay around if we don't cheat on you anyway".
I'm pondering on the idea that when your LTR arrives in the 2-3 year length, you simply have to go out and slay again.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (10 children) | Copy Link
Great example. Chemically there's just not much in it after that timeframe. If either or both parties want to keep it going for whatever reason, there's either going to be cheating or misery. Just seems practical to embrace that and either have it open or move on...
[–]slay_it_forward 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Open is a bad move for the man. She get pumped all day while you're out trolling clubs taking blow-outs all night.
What do you think about simply getting a 3rd one? I'm thinking about a woman of course :)
Or is that just not the same?
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Not something I know anything about; I guess there's a point where the boundaries break down and you're just left with whatever people want, if they're honest/open/liberal enough. But I think part of the problem is there's always someone not being totally honest and open about it, even if they are into that sort of thing. As a side thing it could be an experiment, but part of a LTR is the whole emotional intimacy (leading to feelings of jealousy and so on), which I feel would evaporate with an explicit 3 way thing. 'Normal' cheating at least is mostly physical.
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[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
No, for me it's either an LTR or free game, I've never mixed the two. Think of it this way: a barrel of sewage with a drop of wine is sewage; a barrel of wine with a drop of sewage is sewage. Know what I mean? Some things (like an LTR) only work if you keep them pure; one drop of 'sewage', give them even one inch and the whole thing is fucked. That's why a lot of the old heads around here call marriage 'red pill on hard mode'. Endless battle.
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It makes for an interesting question because, we ask, what makes an LTR different? Exclusivity, or at least intimacy. And for that we require trust. But can trust ever be guaranteed? No. So every such venture is just an absurd attempt at fulfilling some innate desire I guess. Nonsense from a rational perspective, but we're drawn to it because it offers stability, traditionalism, future environment to raise children...
This is why in my initial comment I raised the prospect of just doing your own quiet cheating. Certainly 'bad'; but sort of leaves you at peace to do the 'relationship/marriage/kids' or whatever thing - because someone's going to do it, and the odds say it's her. There are no certainties, and we'll all be dead in 100 years - know what I mean?
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[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
i agree. this post is extremely narrow minded, the tl;dr should be, don't let an LTR take control of your life
[–]ben0wn4g3 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
Yeah this, be a fucking man and your women won't go looking for one.
[–]103342 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
LOL. I always have to laugh at people saying stuff like this.
Repeat after me: "I am not the ultimate Chad, and I'll never be the ultimate Chad, there is always someone better at something."
Even the top 1% guys will have trouble with LTR these days. Dread game and training your woman goes well till a certain point.
In the times when marriage actually made sense for men, guys would have to beat the shit out of their woman just to control her. Still, some would fuck the milk man and the pool boy.
Turn down the ego there big boy, it will crush you eventually.
[–]ben0wn4g3 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
Look, I know what you're saying. But you can only control yourself. Being a man does wonders.
These 1% guys you're thinking of are rich and famous but they're probably chumps when it comes to women and oneites. I bet any money some rich successful guys are reading this comment now pineing over some girl.
[–]103342 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You are not immune to oneitis. Believe me. I've fallen for this mistake. I've seen VERY manly friends of mine fall for this shit.
Oneitis is biological, we can't help it. Hormones get all messy and you make mistakes.
Messing with women, specially women that you think are worthy of LTR, is dangerous these days. Biology speaks loudly.
[–]ben0wn4g3 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I know too well my friend. But as I said, we can only control ourselves.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, and "only control yourself" means "don't get married and be very very wary of LTR's because of how she and you end up"
[–]ben0wn4g3 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
High five friend, high five.
[–]199639 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Implying only chumps get cheated on.
[–]NewEnglanda143 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
It would sound more impressive if we actually thought you had a date sometime in your adult life.
[–]Luis_McLovin -3 points-2 points-1 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
what the fuck am i reading.
edit: talking about beating women so casually i mean. Women beating was to control women but only done by beta angry males. a proper RP man doesn't stoop that low, and nor does he have to, his woman comes to him without the need of violence
[–]Rayjaysdick 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The point is she's probably fucking other guys
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
However, how does being in a LTR make you a "beta"?
LTR = beta mating strategy, because you're sticking around rather than not sticking around. Choosing to invest time (and future commitment and resources) in just one woman.
Most here would be fine with this deal, if the woman didn't take advantage of the nature of the LTR deal to further her own ends at the man's expense, and behave like an annoying cheating slut into the bargain.
Also, I'll concede there are shitty women who play men like that
You imply "some", we've collectively got a larger sample size. We say "most".
Obviously I'm lost on a lot of what's going on here, but I don't think LTR's or marriage are worthless if you have equal respect and love.
We agree! And if you want equal respect and love, get a dog. Marriages end in divorce more than 50% of the time, and it's female initiated more than 75% of the time. Women make on the marriage deal. They make a LOT. And they still leave. It's a terrible deal for me.
Max 15% of marriages are happy long term, probably a lot less. That's terrible odds for a man who pays alimony when it doesn't work out, but it's a great deal for a woman who can't lose whether it works or not.
I think there's room for being alpha supreme and being in an LTR/marriage. You just have to not bitchup.
I'm glad that you think your wife is perfect, and I'm sure she is for now. She won't be forever.
Meanwhile 99% of women are not so well behaved. Most men don't get as lucky as you have. Don't encourage them to marry these dreadful women.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link
However, how does being in a LTR make you a "beta"? I've been with my wife since I was 18.
The concensus would be that no way she never got any strange. Having that point of view means you are commited to somebody who sometimes goes around - that makes you a loser.
Now it's up to you to agree or disagree here and believe your wife has never been unfaithful - there is a chance it's true, but you have to understand you are in the 5% or so minority. Most people here fuck so many "taken" women they laugh if somebody suggest their spouse of 10 years haven't touched any other dick - because the reality they are experiencing says otherwise.
[–]MortalSisyphus7 points 10 years ago* [recovered] (5 children) | Copy Link
Having a life philosophy such as "don't get an LTR because women aren't loyal" just reveals the base of insecurity and the lack of outcome independence people are operating on.
Good women do exist. Too much misunderstanding and repetition of AWALT makes people think they don't. Of course if you are looking in all the wrong places (Tinder, bars, clubs) then of course it will appear that the quality of all women is poorer than it is.
Sort of like the women who complain that all men are assholes, when actually they are just attracted to assholes.
The message we should be pushing is to not let your emotions cloud your judgement, because that is the real problem. Guys get emotional and think with their cock and imagine their woman has no flaws, and then they get hurt because they didn't accurately and objectively assess their woman. Many times when a guy gets shocked he was cheated on, you could have just asked his friends because they saw it coming.
Another major problem is fragile egos. The thought of being cheated on absolutely terrifies men (or women) with fragile egos. If they are in a relationship they are constantly paranoid if they are being cheated on. Not the right mentality to have. If it happens to me, I won't lose my shit over it. I'll move on to something else. Not the end of the world. When you go into a relationship with that frame, not only are you more rational in your judgments, but you are more attractive.
The only argument that makes sense against marriage is that right now the laws discriminate against men. That is a legitimate point, and something to be aware of. That risk of course must be contrasted with the many benefits of an LTR or marriage: companionship, endless supply of effortless sex, more pleasurable sex due to personalized experience and no condoms, improved finances, cooked meals, clean clothes, clean house, deep intimacy, and so on. Then of course there are the benefits to children.
If your SO lies to you about birth control, gets pregnant, divorces you, takes your money, etc. then you must be a pretty shitty judge of character, because only really shitty people do things like that. Stop thinking with your dick and stop being emotional over women.
[–]BobBobCan 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
If you are in a committed relationship presumably the reason for that is a way to control the outcome. So what the hell is this outcome independence you are talking about? Why the hell would I bother talking with a girl, putting effort, time and an emotional entanglement in a relationship, if the outcome is completely irrelevant?
[–]MortalSisyphus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
If you are in a committed relationship presumably the reason for that is a way to control the outcome.
That's not the way I look at it. I'm in a relationship because it benefits me to be in a relationship. It's certainly better than being single.
If you view talking with her and spending time with her as a "bother" or an "investment" then you are probably not with the right girl. Find someone who's company you enjoy. If you don't enjoy her company, pump and dump.
[–]BobBobCan 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If it benefits you to be in a relationship with a women, presumably you'll want to end up in a relationship i.e a desirable outcome. If you want a pump and dump kind of relationship then you'll engineer yourself to end up there. Once again: a dependence to the outcome.
Outcome independence is just a flawed concept because it does not exist.
[–]MortalSisyphus 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
No, you are just overthinking it and taking it too literally. Dependence is an exaggerated form of desire, and it is that exaggerated form which we avoid. That doesn't mean desire itself is avoided.
Outcome independence simply means you think and behave in a way that is not unduly influenced by powerful needs or desires.
If I approach a woman, it is because I AM interested in a relationship or sex with her. But I do not let that desire overwhelm my thinking or my composure to cause me to behave in a way that is unproductive or harmful.
By the same token, I do want to be in a relationship. However, I do not want to be in a relationship so much that I am fearful or insecure of the relationship dissolving or failing.
I have an interest in the outcome, but I am not DEPENDENT on it.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yes, your opinions and perspective are valid and welcome - there are no universal truths, chipping in your experience is what the comment section is about.
On the other hand again you have to see the mass' perspective and anger - most people here had their fair share of negative experience, that's how they usually find this place.
If you can't understand that standpoint your comments are equivalent to suggesting a depressed person to just snap out of it because life is happy.
[–]slay_it_forward -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
No other woman ever got your attention? That's some beta shit right there. Read up on dread game, you might need it. But then again you might not. Sounds like there's a big enough SMV differential between you and your wife in your favor.
[–]Nieben 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
First two sentences : not necessarily. There are plenty of women that are attractive but hitting it off with someone of higher value isn't a guarantee. You're making a fuckton of assumptions about this guy's life and tossing a label on him with only crumbs of information.
Honestly just sounds like you want to be some macho man sex god wannabe that doesn't build any meaningful relationships with quality women.
[–]slay_it_forward 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You're making things up. I didn't draw any alpha comparisons between you and I, I simply pointed out the degree to which you have oneitis.
[–][deleted] 6 points7 points8 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hypergamy dictates there will always be an "ideal man". Accept it or live in pain.
[–]RP_puaghow1113 points 10 years ago [recovered] (4 children) | Copy Link
Honestly, what is the point of an LTR unless you're going to go for the nuclear-family type thing? No point at all. And if you're goal is a nuclear family, in America, the access fee is a job that pays 80k to 100k year. And you gotta have that income continue to last.
It's all PUA and STRs (short-term-relationships) for me until I acquire the access fee - then I'll consider that decision when I get there; no idea if I'll actually make that decision.
what is the point of an LTR
Achieving quality and understanding. Of course don't LTR your 26 year old plate, but when you come across a 19 year old virgin with all the RPW characteristics you would be dumb not to establishing an LTR on that - the only reason you choose not to because you are afraid.
Of course after a few years it will end, especially if you stop commiting after a point (i.e. no way you'll marry). So what? She'll branch swing. Again, so what?
[–]RP_puaghow1111 points 10 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
19 is only quality if you can afford it. I lived with a 19 y/o once as a paycheck to paycheck guy. Not gonna do that again. Granted that was before I was red pill and she was probably non-quality. Rockin' bod, but waaaaaaaay too into partying.
I don't see how a hot 19 y/o can be under control without being the spank-master and making her butt red every day. That bitch was sometimes too forgetful/lazy/solipsistic to flush the toilet after using it - as a red pill dude that's like a sign saying, "If you don't bruise me, you're not spanking hard enough." Speaking of which, it might be helpful to know that if you go to realspankings.com and check out some sample videos, some women want to be spanked so hard that they cry. Like that's a turn on to them. Not even kidding.
You won't have quality women ever if you can't afford it. They don't fuck with poor people :P
[–]SW9876 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Lesson Learned: Move to a new location every once in a while when in an LTR to prevent her from setting up a sex network.
[–][deleted] 11 points12 points13 points 10 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
My solution to the problem which I don't see many people mention here is to find a religious girl. I used to live in Bible Belt Missouri and the church girls who went to my high school were very faithful, got married young, and now have good families. My bible study instructors had stunning wives and these dudes weren't anything special either but the girls were absolute sweet hearts regardless. Very few on TRP have experience in this kind of community. Nothing will keep a girl faithful more then a genuine fear of God. The tricks is that you got to find one who has this and then still be on top of your game cause still ain't no unicorns out there
[–][deleted] 12 points13 points14 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Most of these posts have a bit of comfirmation bias. OP fucks easy bar sluts and club skans then conclude there is no quality RPW in the world.
The truth is there are, but getting one is hard work and most people here are not quality material themselves.
[–][deleted] 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
It doesn't go against serial monogamy. She isn't in love (pair-bonded) with the beta bucks. She's using him for resources, either financial or emotional. She doesn't want to fuck him. Once she finds a guy that she does pair-bond with she'll cut off the AF on the side but her eyes will stay open for Mr. Ideal.
[–]Luis_McLovin 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
This man speaks the truth. Thank you for your sanity. I'm new to this community and the original post was making me doubt this community which has otherwise been eye opening for me. There are quality RPW out there if you know how to find and acquire them.
[–]SW9876 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
That's a really good point. The only problem is that you then have to deal with a crazy religious girl.
[–]Xeusi 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Some religions are worth getting involved with. Especially if certain communities tend to have more RPW traits than others.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
I remember back when I was a Nice Guy, I heard a story about a clique of surfers. When one of them would get a girlfriend, he would get teased and called a "fag" by his peers. At the time it seemed like bizarro world to me, but now it makes perfect sense. To get in an LTR is very feminine and a great way to get LESS pussy.
[–]rdisho20 4 points5 points6 points 10 years ago (13 children) | Copy Link
This is bullshit. The good women exist. If you really want a successful relationship quit blaming outside circumstances instead of your current perceptions of what is. If you don't like your current reality, change it. True alphas understand and know how to do this, and they do it. You, Chad, need to work on your wisdom game. Or should I say wisdom gainz?
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
The good women exist.
Good women are in a tiny minority and are not available to all men. There just are not many of them.
A sexy girl who will never stray and always be loyal to you? Sorry mate, the unicorn is a myth.
And good ones? Sure, they'll pretend to be good for a time, to get what they want. Then they'll stop being good like switching off a light when it suits them.
There are no social controls on women any more, so we're left with their own sense of decency and responsibility. And we know how much of that there is to go around.
[–]rdisho20 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
The unicorn is no myth. Dare I say many women are unicorns but they can't shine because the guys won't let them.
Think about this for a second, if you want: An alpha doesn't need to chase women. The women chase him, in all cases. Once the man is true to himself the women will come. From all directions. And the alpha will know which one is a good woman for him and she'll know he is the only man for her.
Other women will see this. The other good ones will be happy for her and keep looking for their man. The not so good ones will be jealous but will want to change, and will, for a man. The bad ones aren't ready to admit to themselves their reasons for the inability to commit and have honor.
Be an alpha so you can have a good woman. Maybe other women will notice and change. The girls will still be girls.
BUT if we are all alpha, the girls will have no other choice BUT to become women.
If you want to change your reality, do it. Do it for the girls.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (8 children) | Copy Link
Hello girl or white knight,
Hahaha... so even female behaviour is men's fault now? Just... wow.
The rest of your post is full of rock solid cast iron illogic, but I'll highlight the worst of it:
Women define "hot" to be "in the top 10%". This is the nature of hypergamy. 8/10 guy is defined to be "average" in her eyes. Not all men can be seen by women to be alpha or indeed attractive - the world just does not work that way.
You're probably married or in a LTR, almost certainly less than 5 years, and have a rose coloured glasses view of women due to accepting what your partner tells you. Look - you're biologically programmed to like the woman that you're with, regardless of the true facts about her nature. (Something she does not do, you'll eventually realise). And you extend that to other women.
But don't come here and tell us that really not all women are like that, and magical unicorns do exist, and they shit rainbows. I've been around the block enough... we all have... to know that this is a temporary (albeit happy state of affairs). Do not marry, if it's not too late for you.
[–]rdisho20 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago* (7 children) | Copy Link
MattyAnon,
The unicorn is no myth. Dare I say many women are unicorns but they can't shine because the guys won't let them. Hahaha... so even female behaviour is men's fault now? Just... wow.
You're right about my illogical statement above. I am not mature enough yet to consistently shut my ego up and do vocab check. I'll clarify what I mean.
The unicorn is no myth. There are good women out there and the many women who are not so good don't know what they really want. So if anyone is going to figure out what these kind of women want sexually and romantically it will be a male human. From what I've read on the Red Pill subreddit, it would be one of you smart posters with a lot of experience with women in general. You know who you are and you have my respect.
Alpha's do not waste much time with these kinds of women. It's one wish of the alpha male that these not so good girls can have the ability to learn by example, though.
The alpha woman, or unicorn, is truly attracted to the man who thinks attractively and can tell the difference from what is real and what is not. We've all heard this shit, but it's true. It's the ones who do not know what to believe, do not believe in this universal law.
Men who have their reasons not to marry or settle down with a "partner" are afraid of commitment to a woman, obviously out of fear of them sleeping around on them; this fear being perpetuated by troubling experiences. These "men" therefore, are a victim of their reality. Stop being a victim. This isn't the red pill theory.
By the way I'm not married and not in an LTR. It seems as though I understand the nature of reality better than you do. I'm biologically programmed to like logical and emotional women. Not just emotional.
Not all men can be seen by women to be alpha or indeed attractive - the world just does not work that way.
And how do you know?
But don't come here and tell us that really not all women are like that
Like what?
I've been around the block enough... we all have... to know that this is a temporary (albeit happy state of affairs)
I understand. You have two options. Go with polygamy or monogamy. Neither one is wrong. EDIT: you have a third, I guess, which would be allowing romantic relationships with men in your life to see if you like it better.
the unicorn is a myth
If this is what you believe, that's fine. This is your own conclusion from your subjective experience. I hope you are not too closed off to the possibility of questioning your absence of logic on this conclusion.
Feel free to challenge me. By the way I mean no ill intent. I'm a very literal person and try hard to explore both sides of the coin.
[–]Senior EndorsedMattyAnon 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
When you say stop being a victim... you mean to take into account female hypergamy in one's actions (ie avoid LTR or at least go in with your eyes wide open) ... or do you mean that if men stop being afraid of women sleeping around, that hypergamy and branch swinging and infidelity will magically end?
Not all men can be seen by women to be alpha or indeed attractive - the world just does not work that way. And how do you know?
There is plenty of evidence to show that women are only interested in the top men. Not all men can be the top men.
You have two options.
Other than homosexuality, there are many options. Monogamy, serial monogamy, monogamy with extras, polygamy, MGTOW.
Feel free to challenge me.
I don't buy the unicorn bullshit anymore. I've tried, I've looked, I've treated women well (complete commitment and devotion) and got kicked in the teeth for it. Conversely I've casually-dated, fucked married women, slept around and refused them any sort of commitment .... and been treated like a king by women who break down in tears when they lose me.
In other words... without going to the extremes of marriage or Chad, I've experienced both sides of the AF/BB coin.
So you're going to say "well, that's only SOME women... and those are DIFFERENT women in each case", and you're right. But I've also seen women who are casually fucking me hand out the bluest of blue pill advice to men. While they are happy to (casually) bang me based on alpha qualities, they are advising men to "buy their gf flowers and rub her feet if you want to get more sexual attention".... and they do this in front of me.
Some women are way better than others. But they are all women, and I will never fully trust another one. Why would I? Let's suppose I think I've found a unicorn... what's the odds she's real? It's much more likely she's faking it for her own benefit, or that she'll just change her pretty little mind later. The deal is poor and stacked against me. I have better options in life than to ever count on another woman not to betray me.
[–]rdisho20 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
I see your point. It's easy to choose a more favorable path than to pick another one that has continued to be painful; based on one's subjective experience. I guess the question you'll have to ask yourself is what makes you feel more alive? More happy? That's all you can do.
I live by principle, and I've found through experience when I commit to my decisions in principle I am rewarded with great peace and serenity. I've gotten into situations where I've felt hurt because someone has wronged me but it makes me stronger, if I know everything I did was right (based on my principles). I continue to pursue the things that make me a stronger individual. An individual who can choose how he feels, when he wants and how he wants. I'm not saying I pursue fucked up women because I know it will hurt me, I prepare for the worst case scenario and I also prepare myself for and work towards the best case scenario. You can either work towards one or the other. If you choose neither you'll always get left behind. I see the beauty in the lifestyle because the hurt is only temporary, and I become stronger in the end.
I can't say I have as much experience as you. It's fair for you to feel more strongly about your view through your experience. And I feel sorry for you.
You know, I may never meet a loyal woman, and I'm ok with that. But doesn't mean I stop believing. This is sounding all Buddha-y but that mother fucker was on to something. lol
And about the unicorn, if you find one, she will always be real. Because If you find a unicorn you'll know real quick whether she will stay or not. She will know before you do if you are an Alpha male worth her time and she won't waste your time and hurt you in the process. Unicorns are alpha as fuck women. They're smart in logic and value morals and ethics. I'll always keep my eyes wide open.
Because If you find a unicorn you'll know real quick whether she will stay or not.
See this is the point. Every man who ever got married believed he'd found a unicorn and that it would work out just fine for him. Most get shafted sooner or later. A few escape unscathed. A very few find happiness.
There are no unicorns, they don't exist.
[–]rdisho20 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yet you haven't given me certain proof. It's ok. This is no longer interesting to me.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
You know, I may never meet a loyal woman, and I'm ok with that. But doesn't mean I stop believing.
When you DO find one, THEN come back and lecture us on unicorns.
[–]rdisho20 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Nah, I'll be too busy for a place like this.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Men who have their reasons not to marry or settle down with a "partner" are afraid of commitment to a woman, obviously out of fear of them sleeping around on them; this fear being perpetuated by troubling experiences. These "men" therefore, are a victim of their reality
Isn't this covered in the sidebar under "Shaming Tactics 101" or something? Can't get laid, or something? "Need to man up" is coming next.
The unicorn is no myth
Still haven't grabbed that dictionary yet, have you? Are you CosmonautDrifter?
Uhhh...find a dictionary and look up unicorn...
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 10 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Here's primarily why. Every plate ive fucked has three guys in her rotation, if not more ; The Main Beta, AKA boyfriend or husband.
Then you proceed to show one girl who happened to be this way.
If you're in an LTR this is probably you. Now you generalize.
Sorry but I can't relate to this. I'd bet most women don't follow this pattern.
[–]Hanz_Wunderbarwang7 points 10 years ago [recovered] (2 children) | Copy Link
Based on my experiences, he is spot on. You're basically arguing against the existence of hypergamy.
[–][deleted] 8 points9 points10 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I'm arguing that saying all women have exactly 3 guys in their life, one alpha, one beta, and one desired beta can only come from a very narrow perspective. Women and men always seek the best they can get, there's no mystery in that.
[–]uxl 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I don't know...I think there is a fine line between AWALT (true) and "All women are currently cheating" (not true). RP deals with evolutionary predispositions and strategic responses in contemporary society, and doesn't mean healthy LTR's are impossible - just unlikely.
[–]DailyManliness 5 points6 points7 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
AWALT..Every relationship oriented woman I know has a bf, an alpha she wants to be with, and any number of beta orbiters, this is commonplace not an usual situation
[–]Piperatthegates 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So you were fucking your friend's girlfriend? Did he give you the okay or something?
Why would any RP man want to commit to an LTR? All opportunities to self-improve are effectively eliminated.
Stop complaining about women. Attack the laws that allow women to get away with their shitty behaviour. If a woman can't divorce rape you she will suddenly be more faithful and you will care less about her cheating on you.
Stop working for, buying or selling to companies that fund gynocentrism.
[–]Hrodrik 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Sometimes I wonder what kind of women you guys hang out with.
[–]musclebound92 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
"The Ideal Beta. This could be the company CEO, university department director , City Mayor, Gym Owner,Vice President at her job or any number of wealthy guys she's crossed paths with in her life."
I get your point about the ideal guy, but calling him beta, then following it up with him being a mayor or CEO is like saying "Hey, look over there at that big shrimp..." Just because the mayor doesn't lift, doesn't make him not an alpha haha. How in ones right mind can you consider yourself to be the alpha over the CEO bringing in 7 figures and also fucking your plate. Lol.
[–]2Sepean 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
He's right. There's a ton of successful guys who are so beta at home their wives can't be bothered to fuck them.
I was one and most of the guys I know still are.
[–]musclebound92 -1 points0 points1 point 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Of course there are, theres exemptions for every rule. But I can't help but find this ironic and quite amusing.
[–]2Sepean 2 points3 points4 points 10 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
It is not exceptions, it is the most common. If you think a great career makes you alpha, you're totally wrong.
[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Removed for gronking.
[–]SwagYoloJesus 1 point2 points3 points 10 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
What's gronking in this context?
[–]Do not send modmail to my personal inboxCrazyHorseInvincible[M] 0 points1 point2 points 10 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
https://www.reddit.com/r/TheRedPill/comments/3k4zl7/gronk/
Who was the offender? I think I know, but, I don't want to embarrass myself.
Thanks.
[+]tlazolteotl -6 points-5 points-4 points 10 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Do you not plan on having kids?
Sacrificing children so that you can get more tail seems like the most beta move possible to me.
WTF is it with everybody (I've counted 2 or 3) in this post calling stuff that they don't like "beta"? Listen, you dicks, just because it chaps your ass doesn't make it beta.
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