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Facts are one thing but we have 120 years of recent history and 100,000,000 fresh corpses. We have the Maduro diet and starving people. We have the killing fields and the Holodomere Ukrainian genocide. We have the space race and GDP numbers for every system attempted on the 20th century.

None of it matters when people use jealous and envy to decide rather than what works! They have less money than some so millennial and female logic is that is not fair! Their solution is never build your own shit. The solution is always lets take what that guy built and loot it. So they take apart a factory that employed thousands of workers and sell it for scrap metal to homeless garbage collectors. Then with no factory, no jobs, no employers and finally no scrap metal, the people starve- and all are equally poor and miserable.

This is the communist nightmare of equality we have seen again and again.

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Did someone say Communism? 😄

‘Communism’ has been far more influential a force of late, than any other politico-economic doctrine which has moved humanity in the quest of a new social order. It promises efficient production and equitable distribution, ensuring economic self-sufficiency to all, and a feeling of fraternity between man and man.

The political philosophy of communism was developed by Karl Marx, in collaboration with his friend, Frederick Engels. Marxian communism was further developed by V. I. Lenin, the founder of the communist regime in Russia. Lenin put into operation the fundamental principles of Marxian communism and thereby demonstrated that the socialist idea is not a Utopian theory but is politically practicable and realisable.

Marx is the founder, Engles the architect and Lenin is the builder of communism through revolution. In consolidating Sovietism of Marx, Lenin’s contribution has also to be recognised.

Communism is the extreme and violent form of revolutionary socialism. For a proper understanding of the communist doctrine, it is necessary to grasp the basic principles of Marxian doctrine which are —(1) materialistic conception and interpretation of history; (2) the labour theory of (surplus) value (3) the law of concentration of capital; and (4) class war. Marx interpreted all historical movements in terms of the material conditions of life. The appropriation of land and other means of production for private use and profit has all through history divided society sharply into two hostile; lasses. Just as in the past the interests of the serf or landless slave peasant were opposed to those of his feudal lord, so also in the present industrial age, the interests of the capitalist class and those of the factory workers are opposed to each other. This provides thesis and anti-thesis. The propertied class with all the means of production at their command, buys the services of the penniless working class which depends for its livelihood upon its sale of labour power.

Labour, according to Marx, is the sole generator of value and what is called profit accrues to the capitalist employer simply by the process of depriving and exploiting labourers of the full value of their labour.

As the volume of production increases and its technique becomes more complex, the tendency to concentration and monopolisation of capital in a few lands and management develops. The result is that the profit of capitalist owner increases while the condition of the workers deteriorates proportionately. It is like the generation of positive and negative energy in the dynamo at two ends at the same time. The history of mankind is the history of this deprivation. At one stage, things become unbearable and the system bursts.

In fact, in Nature it has been found that after the process of evolution there comes a stage when the tegument of the tree bursts; this follows leap or jump, like water becoming steam at 100-degree heat a qualitative change. This is known as Dialectical Materialism that advocates complete change at times.

But the capitalistic system of production, according to Marx, carries, embedded in itself, its own seed or destruction. The growth of large-scale production leads to the extinction of small-scale producers who, unable to compete with their large-scale rivals, are ultimately driven to swell the rank of ordinary workers. The independent artisan becomes a wage earner, and the number of disgruntled proletariat increases. Secondly, the localisation of industries in particular areas, to ensure economical production, bring thousands of workers together; these develop a strong group-consciousness by mutual contacts, and try to assert and protect their rights and interests against, their employers. This is how trade Unions originate and acquire power.

At the same time, by keeping down wages, the capitalists unconsciously cause a shrinkage of their home-market and they have to finance and organise their sale of goods in foreign markets. Thus, Marx’s slogan is — “workers of the world unite; you have nothing to lose but your chains.” It naturally acquires a rev ‘utionery potency and significance.

Unemployment’s, trade cycles, strikes, periodical financial crises—these are the natural and inevitable consequences of the capitalistic order of society. The constant endeavour of the capitalist class to keep down wages arouses workers to organised resistance. There also starts infighting among the capitalists for class of individual interests. This is known as the inner class contradiction among the bourgeoisie. This ultimately may explode in the form of on open revolution to overthrow the capitalist order and seize the machinery of the State. This will be immediately followed by the expropriation of the means of production by the proletariat from private hands. The Communists then hold power.

The consummation of a proletarian revolution results in the abolition of classes and all forms of exploitation of man-by-man. Then follows a period of Dictatorship of the Proletariat, as a prelude to the establishment of a classless society. In the former Soviet Union this dictatorship of the proletariat regime, through military help, continued for more than 75 years before it broke down after the operation of perestoika and glassnost of Gorbachov. Closely following Marx, Lenin, the maker of modern Russia, states that the attainment of full communism involves two stages, viz, (1) the Revolutionary stage (2) the post-Revolutionary stage. The first phase of the Revolution is characterised by the forcible capture of political power by the proletariat, and its subsequent employment to squeeze out from society the last remnants of capitalism. At this stage, the State assumes the character of a class-state; the proletariat adopts a policy, of gradual extension of public ownership by confiscating and appropriating private ownership.

No special privilege is allowed and everybody is made to work in accordance with the principle—’He who does not work neither shall he eat’. Everybody is to work according to his ability and everybody gets back according to his work and finally according to his need.

The Communists, however, believe that with the gradual elimination of the last remnants of capitalism, a new order of society will emerge when everybody will be inspired by a sense of social responsibility so that each will do his best for the good of the whole community and there will be no necessary for state compulsion. In this stage, all the productive forces of the State will be fully developed and everybody will get the primary needs of life—food, clothing, shelter, medical help, leisure, etc—according to his need. This is the final transition from each according to his capacity, to each according to his need.

Advent of this stage marks the final triumph of Communism when the State will no more be considered a necessity. The State, therefore, will wither away. Thus, according to the communists, the overthrow of Capitalism by itself cannot create Communism.

For the attainment of full Communism, consciousness and intelligent efforts have to be made, Communists and Anarchists agree in so far as they regard the abolition of the State as their ultimate aim, but Communists differ from the Anarchists in this that they do not press for the immediate abolition of the State as the Anarchists do.

The Communists argue that with the gradual perfection of the individual through communistic organisation of society, ‘the State will wither away’ in the natural process. Communism differs from Socialism in this that while Socialism seeks to establish only State ownership of the means of production and equitable distribution, Communism advocates common ownership of all things, and hence it seeks to abolish all forms of private property and exploitation. No body should be allowed to enjoy unearned income. The aim of Communism is to build up a classless society in which every man will get adequate opportunities for self-development and self-expression. Thus, it seeks to prevent the exploitation of man by man and ensures economic freedom to all workers. Whether Communism in the sense of a classless society but without the need of State coercion will ever be achieved, remains controversial until it is achieved. Some resolute experiments have failed. But the movement as a political force has immensely accelerated social progress and brought about a thorough-going change in the conception of the function of government. Governments have to countenance measures to improve the wages and conditions of worker to control unlimited profiteering. The welfare of the workers, and of the community as a whole, is no longer ignored as being outside the sphere of the State.

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BINGO.

THOTSLATION: “I wish after letting a “hawt” loser spray my uterus I can change the CS payer to Beta Billy when I find out he’s a nuclear engineer and he has deeper pockets.”

Fun fact: she is actually right. And this is why

YOU NEVER DATE SINGLE MOTHERS.

In many states, if you move Carol and Chad’s fuck Trophy into your home, start providing financial support for the womb turd, and you do that long enough, then you break up with Carol, if Carols family law attorney puts little 13 year old Susie on the stand, and says

“Wwho do you feel is your ‘daddy’?”

If she fingers you as her “father figure” boom. You are now paying CS IF Chad stopped paying CS and Chad has disappeared off the face of the earth. It’s not like that in all states, but in many.

“Well that sounds unfair!”

In family court nothing is about “what’s fair”. It’s about “who’s paying”, and the courts will do everything to unshoulder the burden from the state. Government tacitly knows single mothers are a burden even if they won’t say it out loud. They know if they don’t get SOMEONE on the hook, Carol will invariably start asking for more state assistance.

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Forcing poor people to live with their choices and consequences of them reduces poor people, either by the natural course of human destruction or natural incentive to produce and reap the benefits (survival).

There will always be some that fit the grey area of poverty and unwillingness in an otherwise fair society. For those, I will pray, but to not take down the greater means of production within society.

With this I submit the only function of the State is perform its' fair duties in ensuring the protection of property and rights, avoiding the ever-standing temptation to regulation and wealth redistribution. As it is the burden of the state to ensure fairness and avoid muddling its' waters with dependents and willing, uninterested slaves, it is also an equal burden of the people to keeping sacred their responsibility to instruct and authorize the states functions.

When one has more power than the other, the fall of liberties presides at the feet of whichever force carries the greater power.

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rather just let people

I don't want anyone to die. I want a strong, healthy community. You just don't get that by giving away some elses resources and putting the people that do the work in fear of losing their liberties. You end up with more dependents. But your compassion argument sounds as good as it is baseless. Which is why it is so successful... up to the point that the economy collapses.

Ok then dude, have fun living in the world of Ayn Rand

I never read Ayn Rand. She has some interesting material, but I always felt she was missing the point.

Let me know when you grow up so we can continue this convo.

Having studied human ignorance and governments taking advantage of them, I have determined you will not be fit for this discussion. Your argument boils down to, "But muh welfare guise, think of muh children guise" and your preemptive strategy to countering is "you're just immature".

So, no thanks. I don't feel like discussing your ignorance with you, you already have plenty of useless idiots to jerk off in that matter.

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No, I didn't say anything that relates to taxation. The idea of taxation is a voluntary enterprise by which all parties benefit. The taxer benefits from some work being done, the taxee benefits from entering a profitable relationship.

The problem is that society casts this 'voluntary' means of commercial engagement as the default means of survival, production, and property acquisition. They need this as the ever growing base of dependents require an increasing means of generating resources. As more and more dependents enter and participate as receivers, more and more givers are required. Those givers will end up not needing or even wanting those dependents to receive the result of their hard work, but are forced to as less participation spells the collapse of the system that cares for so many privileged beneficiaries.

Taxation only becomes theft when the taxee cannot reasonably avoid taxation without loss of liberties and life. Therefore, the published narrative that taxation is voluntary is fraud because the average citizen cannot live and work in the country he was born without being forced/coerced into that arrangement.

"Free contraceptives" reveals the socialist overtaking of the community. It shows that men who contribute to the system do not explicitly benefit from their contributions. It reveals that the relationship between taxpayer and beneficiary is regulated by an interested, and therefore conflicted, third party that is the state. The state, having a monopoly on currency and means of production (regulations) should avoid all engagements that require coercion as in doing so immediately become a tyrant and lose government status.

Governments sole function is justice and protecting rights and property. But that is no longer what the organization claiming itself is government has been doing. They claim they perform government functions while acting as a oppressive regime. One just has to look at what the functions of government are and what those functions currently being carried out by that corporation is to determine what they really are. If you do this exercise, you will find that all wealth redistribution mechinisms are not carried out by a government, but by a private communist organization delegated by a no longer existent governing body. The effect is that most people think they have government dictating the requirement for taxation by all citizens, but really they have a privately interested third party master and authority, carrying no more legal stronghold than any other privately held business.

That is the deception of taxation, and how nearly the entire world fell prey to its' initially good merits but always results in slavery and subjugation. If people took it upon themselves to defend themselves and learn the law, then that private organization would have no ability to tax or levy their property and the actual government would only acquire taxation from willing participants in order to pay for its' government functions and services. Since providing any product or service that does not necessitate the function of 'justice' is not considered a government function, then those functions must be privately held and therefore all taxes to spend for those private services must be voluntarily submitted. We know that isn't the case, because everyone I know does not willingly (in their minds) submit their hard earned money to the private corporation. So, you end up with theft for all of those taxes in question.

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Since providing any product or service that does not necessitate the function of 'justice' is not considered a government function, then those functions must be privately held and therefore all taxes to spend for those private services must be voluntarily submitted.

I've been at my wits end trying to explain this sort of thing to people.

For example, I have a friend who I have called out in the past. He got onto SSDI (and of course, gets food/housing/utility assistance) because supposedly his bipolar keeps him from working. He hasn't had an episode in 7-8 years and before that it was roughly 5 years.

He doesn't understand why I call him and his family out. His parents are in their 60's and in relatively good health and retired. They have their 4 bedroom 2.5 bath, 2200 sq. ft. house all paid off, and the house is only about 30 years old. IMHO, his parents should theoretically be able to take care of him as he can function normally 99% of the time and doesn't have any severe physical ailments. He's also got a married sister, and they are 5 years older than him. Instead, they pawned him off onto the system, and it's up to productive members of society like myself to pay for people like him, who really should be:

Working some sort of menial, lower stress job
Living with family

But nope....

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He doesn't want you to think he understands because that deters him from accepting those benefits. If your give privileges to any class of people, those people will vehemently argue they are either deserved those privileges or deny the existence of them. They have to do that or they stand to lose their privileges.

What has happened is that through this psuedo-government communist organization, you have have been brought on as a working participant in order to provide benefits to the non-working participants. You have consented to this rule of law and public policy, therefore you must pay or go to jail. The reason why you go to jail is because you received the benefit (eligibility for similar privileges) and are now obligated to ensure that organization can pay for them (if at some point you shall need them).

So, you are getting hung out to dry here. You are being taken for granted and punished for working hard. Maybe you want to stop doing that? Maybe it would be better for you to work on your own terms and avoid taking agency for the general welfare of a society that despises you? If that is what you want, then you must take that for yourself. No government/corporation/interested party is going to help you and they are surely not going to acknowledge the existence of freedom. You want freedom? Fight for it to your death, or just get in line at the government services desk where you sign your checks over to.

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BINGO.

YOU NEVER DATE SINGLE MOTHERS.

Title	🤔 if only...
Author	This-Now
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Date	June 17, 2019 9:06 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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