How do you love hypergamous women?

residentlifter · 2018-10-14T15:21:45+00:00

Women are capable of loving, but its a conditional love as I'm sure you're aware. Men have the burden of performance. Women get to simply be. As long as you continue to perform at a high caliber and remain her best option, you will secure the love and affection of a woman without her straying, or being a woman who wants to stray but her morality holds her back from doing so.

MrHouse2281 · 2018-10-14T16:05:36+00:00

Make good friends and "love" them instead of your mrs.

Musicgoon · 2018-10-14T16:13:13+00:00

Look. You're Not in the Acceptance phase of TRP. It's easy to cling to the Disney idea of love. It doesn't exist and it's a lie.

Understand that you fell in love with an idea. Not a person. You're love and fulfillment should be your growth as a man. We as men should be following a bigger mission rather than seeking idealized fake love.

Start slow. Lift. Understand you'll have setbacks. Understand that Hypergamy will still be there and you can't prevent branch swinging. Just remember this is just nature. You can't be mad at a shark for living in the sea...

Give yourself time brother.

inspiredshane · 2018-10-14T18:18:04+00:00

The fact that it causes you revulsion is proof positive that you’re subconsciously feeling that these women will “contaminate” you somehow. Avoiding dangerous and contaminating things is the primary human cause of disgust.

But women are only disgusting when viewed as not living up to the standards of the male perspective of love. Which they cannot do, because they cannot see the world in that way. For you to place that impossible standard on them is not only unfair to them, but also unfair to yourself. You’re, by being disgusted, going to distance yourself from them. But being close to them is what you really want.

What you see isn’t the truth, per se, but your estimation of it. You have the right and ability to change that estimation as you see fit.

What you need to do is break up with that imaginary ideal in your head, because no woman is going to live up to it. The one who can literally doesn’t exist.

Not only does this cause you pointless suffering, but you’ll also never get to interact with a real, flawed, imperfect as fuck human being. Because in your mind, all you’re after is that imaginary Goddess that only exists in your mind.

Instead, learn to accept the truth. You don’t have to like it. Hell, feel free to hate it. But accept it, and be happy with the fleeting moments of joy that you find while interacting with them and fucking them, and protect yourself from the sinister, hidden side of women, because you ignore that at your own peril.

Bedtimeshine · 2018-10-14T19:06:50+00:00

The overwhelming majority of marriages fail due to lack of attraction and no other reason. Attraction. Is. Everything. And usually it’s because the wife doesn’t want to fuck the husband anymore. And in this day in age, if you get divorced raped... it’s 100% on you and I don’t feel an ounce of sympathy.

yuyuyuy6 · 2018-10-14T22:01:19+00:00

The responses in this thread are surprisingly poor. Most people seem to be regurgitating the side bar and trying to shove it down his throat, even though he seems to have already digested it.

His question is beyond that, he understands that women's love is unconditional and to hold frame/stay attractive etc; he's trying to ask a bigger question beyond the side bar and everybody is just replying with crap that isn't answering the question. This is a problem with TRP, the end game is often not discussed (usually because the forum is full of 18-25 year olds). Do you just spin plates and chase short term fun for the rest of your life?

To the OP, to actually answer your question, you don't ever love a hypergamous woman in the way you did before TRP. The only reason to 'love' a woman is for the kids - but post TRP you know it's not really love. It's transactional both ways - she gives you kids, she helps raise them and you provide for the family. You know though at any point she can walk away and 'fall out of love', but that doesn't matter because she gave you kids who will hopefully be in your life until you die. They will mean more to you than any series of hookups ever will.

Now if you don't want kids, then 'loving' a woman makes no sense.

Tripletag · 2018-10-14T16:21:07+00:00

I guess I'll ask this. Can you have true intimacy with a prostitute or escort when you know she's only there because of superficial reasons?

I think you answered the question yourself. If you know she's there for superficial reasons, then it should be obvious that true intimacy cannot be achieved.

I want to, I want to feel intimacy far more than I want casual, meaningly sex. How can I do that when I know that I'll only have her affection as long as I "hold frame?" How is that not glorified prostitution? The prostitute is only interested as long as I have money. The women is only interested as long as I have "frame."

I think that can be turned around. What does she need to do to hold your affection? My guess is you can list a couple things. How is that not glorified prostitution?

I think your problem is that you are still inherently disillusioned by the fact that love and affection are transactional in nature, that they are not ethereal, mystical concepts like the Disney movies would suggest. The truth is that intimacy with women is very well possible once you accept reality for what it is and cease the anger towards their nature and your own, I would even argue that it breeds a form of intimacy which is far stronger than any other, because its one grounded in realistic expectations.

The consequence of accepting this truth is that I've started to be put off by women romantically. Especially as I've grown more successful and more confident I've notice more female attention but my desire to pursue them is at an all time low. Almost non existent. I know that they are only interested in me because of these extreme superficial traits that say nothing about how decent of a person I am.

But don't you see? Precisely your acceptance of the truth and subsequently becoming more confident and succesful IS what makes you a decent person. These traits you describe are, in fact, not superficial at all. They are deeply sought after traits in any person, male or female, precisely because they are such reliable qualifiers that show that you aren't a lazy, needy piece of shit. You know who I'm talking about, maybe you were one of them, the sad sacks of human refuse that sit on the couch watching Netflix and somehow have internalized that that makes them an awesome person because they're 'just being who they are'. What does it say about you as a person when you think that this kind of stagnation makes you equally worthy of the attention of women as guys who actively better themselves every day and refuse to let their life pass them by?

I think you are still harboring some anger because of the 'old' you whispering into your ear that these women don't deserve your attention now that you've made some progress and they suddenly want you. This is a chain of thought that implies that the 'old' you was just as worthy of love as the 'new' you.

If you're brutally honest with yourself, do you really believe that?

Ricklogical · 2018-10-14T17:02:41+00:00

With my mouth and these two hands.

Lambdal7 · 2018-10-14T18:44:54+00:00

There are also plenty of women who stay and care for their husband despite them not being able to provide for them anymore.

It’s not the case for most, but still for many.

send_it_for_the_boys · 2018-10-15T08:25:59+00:00

I mean think about this, you aren’t going to be able to LTR a 300 lb ugly girl just because she’s nice and loyal. Atleast I’m not. You have to be attracted there has to be attraction between the 2. It sucks but it’s true. We as MEN have to be men. We have to try to be men, we have to do what men do. Because in the dawn of time that’s how it was, and that’s still how it is. We just weren’t raised up to be very masculine, so of course it sounds wrong going against what you were told your whole life but this is how it is. This is Redpill this is why this sub is here. For me and you and the rest to better our masculinity.

jakethesnake5000 · 2018-10-14T16:56:29+00:00

All women are hypergamous, it’s their nature. Just like birds fly and fish swim, and we can’t hold that against them. But at least you understand it which most men don’t, and women for that matter. So you just have to accept it and use it to your advantage when pursuing women.

Regarding love, love runs downstream. Women are very capable of love it’s just not what you were conditioned to believe. Men love women, lithe same way women love their children. Women are capable of loving men the same way they love their children. It’s your job to make her respect you; from respect comes love.

Anon241469 · 2018-10-14T19:25:02+00:00

Well, I can love a really cute and cuddly cat. I can love it on the rare occasions that it sits on my lap and purrs. But cats are skiddish, and some cats require a lot more time to earn trust. The love for a cat might not be the same as the love for a brother, or the love for a friend, or the love for a parent... but it’s some kind of love. If you can love a cat, you can love a girl. Just make sure it’s not oneitis love; that shit will fuck you up and make her run away faster than Usain bolt during the Olympics.

Notreallyme001 · 2018-10-14T21:08:38+00:00

Enjoy your turn.

You're focused on the "textbook" definition of intimacy, companionship, and love. Explore women, date around, and discover the true meaning of those words. After you have internalized it, you'll break your BP fantasy. For now, enjoy "she's not yours, only your turn" and spin as much as you can humanly handle.

Red_Ninja7 · 2018-10-14T22:04:03+00:00

Wanting to 'open up ' and 'be intimate' are due to social conditioning and emotional neediness. They don't work well in the long run with women. This need is just something you need to work through and be rid of. Women are a nice complement to a man's life, but of you have an emotional 'need' for them you are on trouble.

pame12 · 2018-10-14T22:32:34+00:00

Maybe you could try to adopt a daughter? At least that way the connection will become more unique as she grows up with you.

imtheoneimmortal · 2018-10-14T22:52:14+00:00

that's the nature, you hate or love

menial_optimist · 2018-10-15T06:09:54+00:00

Dude you obviously haven't even read The Rational Male by Rollo Tomassi which is like #1 on the reading list for people new to RP otherwise you would have at least heard of the concept that women are incapable of loving us in the way we think we ought to be loved. Read that book and read more. Doors will begin opening.

Don't be discouraged from enjoying and loving women just because you found out a hard truth and your pre-programmed belief system has been shattered. Rebuild yourself from the ground up and you can be happy with women by accepting their nature for what it is.

This is why I don't understang MGTOW dudes. Their blue pilled belief system is shattered and instead of rebuilding they just opt out of a wonderful part of human existence.

Title	How do you love hypergamous women?
Author	LittleGanymede
Upvotes	16
Comments	128
Date	October 14, 2018 3:08 PM UTC (7 years ago)
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