How low was your "rock bottom" to change?

RedditAdminsSuck_88 · 2017-02-13T19:04:18+00:00

I played football in college and was in great shape, strong, active.

After football I got lazy, stopped lifting, ate like shit. Was a total beta in terms of women. Would always end up getting oneitis for one, overinvesting, she would be repelled, and I would cry about it until I moved onto the next oneitis.

It only took a short 3 years after I was done with football to hit rock bottom. Skinny fat. Double chin. Dad bod. Beer belly(despite me not drinking beer) that overhung my pants.

With women I would continue to double down on the same strategy that failed time and time again. Get oneitis for a girl, try to be "friends" with her first, never escalate, be a total nice guy gentlemen, brag about how nice of a guy I am. Each time it would fail, I would vow to be even nicer of a guy the next time. I always thought my failures were because I wasn't nice enough.

One day I was moping and moaning because of my latest oneitis rejection because I overinvested too much. Drove 7 hours one way to surprise a girl and she was freaked out by me showing up. Got home and was reading a thread on a message board about white knights and nice guys. I saw myself in those pics making fun of betas, nice guys and white knights. It all came together and I was disgusted at myself. Began to read up about alphas and betas which led me to TRP. Quit my job. Got a new job in another state, used that to start my life over. A short 3 months later I was back in shape and using TRP to have success with women.

Docbear64 · 2017-02-13T19:28:31+00:00

I think my bottom was valentines day like 5 years ago . My GF of 3 years and I at the time had been having a rough patch and she suggested a weekend getaway for the two of us at a nearby hotel . We had a good dinner , came to the hotel , started fucking , I asked for a blowjob and her face twisted as she said " No I don't want to do that" . We finished fucking and all I could think is how I just dropped somewhere between $200 - $400 on a room for the weekend with a chick who won't give me head ( even though I ate her out) , who doesn't fuck or treat me like she loves me anymore , who previously cheated on me , and yet I am devoted to her.. Why ?

Being the good boyfriend stopped making sense and slowly I began to be more selfish and a little over a year and a half later I broke up with her .

This selfishness would lead to a larger career focus, then as my money got better, I focused on my fitness, and slowly I am forming into a much more complete man and I love myself a little more everyday .

Who knew being denied a blowjob could be so empowering ?

jeezydasnowman · 2017-02-13T19:02:27+00:00

Involuntary celibacy ,fat, gaming addiction ,0 friends, living with parents at 24, about 5k in credit card debt plus eviction fees.

Gave away console and computer. Canceled everything except cell phone. Worked unlimited overtime, hit the gym, watched rsd vids, joined a social sports league.

AlwaysFlank · 2017-02-13T22:50:56+00:00

If you google image my name, the first thing that shows up is me holding a sign at a feminist rally. My linkedin picture comes after. Yeah...

akatsukirp · 2017-02-13T20:41:43+00:00

Mine was gradual. I was that clueless guy, unaware that women were hitting on me. One time a girl invited me to a hot tub, then a strip club, her place, and finally showed up in her pjs with a pillow at my place to "sleep over". I said "why would you want to sleep here? your house is like right over there..." she sighed, left and started dating some guy right after.

So it was gradual:

1) clueless nice guy
2) started having sex fast, but then falling back into nice guy BP (for example, after sex mailed a girl a gift)
3) now I'm rping most of the time, it's work, otherwise you default back to your programming.

meh613 · 2017-02-13T21:28:22+00:00

what is your rock bottom story, how did it change you, and what did you do to stay that way?

Others will dismiss this as sour grapes, but.....

I hit my bottom when my hitherto, thought-of-as-loyal LTR confessed that she'd had an affair, she claimed it was of the emotional variety. Being a sperg, I don't have emotions (theoretically anyway), so I shrugged it off. At this point, she got more upset by my lack of reaction that she claimed I didn't love her, then slammed the door when I said it was her right to think that way and I knew otherwise. The next day, she'd called the cops on me for not being "available" enough. That's when I found this place, and the related subs.

anabolic92 · 2017-02-13T22:21:25+00:00

I relate to you man.

I wish I fucking get to the rock bottom because I don't know how deeper I can go.

Yes I lift, diet, groom, focus on education and my career(working and studying) and yet I still wait for something good happens to me, or I can have or archieve something that I'm proud of.

I don't know how worse it can go but my life is a repetition of days were the new one is worse than the last.

I dream of going to the bed someday and think "today was fcking awesome" or "I'm really looking forward tomorrow".

I dream of being at least physically average, interact with women, have a solid social circle.

I guess that not everyone can be happy in this life, remember in order to have winners there must be losers as well, and I guess I fell into the worse side.

Good luck with your life man, I'm sure things will turn out ok for you.

raisins3142 · 2017-02-14T00:06:17+00:00

3 years ago I was at a low point in my sexual market value.

I was drinking too much and going to bars.

An attention whore I saw out brought her friend to meet me.

I fucked said friend first night we met, and started dating too seriously too quickly.

She was either borderline personality disordered or so strongly on the cluster b scale that even if she was not diagnose-able was still toxic as hell.

She slowly ripped my brain and heart out.

I ended things.

I slowly realized that my male friends were being mildly disrespectful of me. I was tall and very thin.

Moved. Renovated a place on my own. Got a new ride. Got a new job making twice what I had before and started hitting the gym. Ate so much protein and worked out so hard that I ballooned with muscle.

I still hate that fucking BPD bitch when I think of her, but without that intense anger and disgust that I allowed myself to be mistreated....I'm not sure I'd be where I am now.

vandaalen · 2017-02-13T23:00:01+00:00

Depressed, alcohol abusing, basically homeless, stopped grooming myself, thought about killing myself.

DavidMcConnor · 2017-02-14T08:29:12+00:00

Last summer I bought a little tabletop charcoal grill and some charcoal. Drove out to a secluded place out of town. Tried to light the grill so I could put it in the back seat of the car and just go to sleep forever. I just couldn't get the fucking shit to light, I even had lighter fluid and watched youtube videos on the best ways. Went home and to a online suicide chat thing - half hour later I had cops at the door taking me to the psych-ward. Was there all night but talked myself out the next day and Been doin pretty good ever since.

sexualloser · 2017-02-13T21:37:07+00:00

Here's mine pretty pathetic, I know.

tebor8 · 2017-02-14T06:29:40+00:00

I moved overseas at the suggestion of my now ex-wife to her home country (third-world). I changed careers and worked my ass off to support my family. I was constantly ill from diseased water and/or food and started to fade away. I lost 80 lbs and was skeleton-like and close to death. I made the hard decision to leave my family and return to the USA to recover. My ex refused to move back to the states. It took me awhile, but I finally divorced her. Since then, it's taken me years to finally live a mostly normal life and I have now discovered TRP to take it to the next level. Onwards and upwards all!

MrEiffel · 2017-02-14T08:38:10+00:00

For me:

I lost my job & spent two years unemployed with my wife paying the bills.
I became an alcoholic (if you're drunk all the time you don't have to think about your shitty life)
I gained 50lbs
I lost any & all friends
I lost my wife (I would have left myself)

So when I had my birthday at 29 I was alone, unemployed, drunk, a complete & total failure in life.

Basically I woke up the next day and felt an immense rage at myself, for allowing myself to drop so low when I have such an incredible potential and spent the day yelling at myself. Afterwards I moved to Paris, got off alcohol, lost 60lbs and now I have a good career & GF.

deville05 · 2017-02-13T21:21:55+00:00

10-15 years that I can remember of. Life probably sucked before that too but I don't remember. First 5 I was cool in a way and I did cool shit but I never owned it or was confident. I was still a beta in loves and relationships. Think Mark Zuckerberg social charm but somewhat artistic and cooler but none of his disciple and ethic and belief. The Zuck had confidence, I didn't.

The next 5 was a downward spiral but I wasn't aware of the concept of this rabbit hole of depression. My confidence was worse but again I wasn't aware of the need for confidence and how it affects you in everything. I I could have had so much fun in college and made friends and enjoyed and killed but I just ate and jacked off and stayed committed in a LDR. I was crippled with negativity and fear and anxiety and self hate but I didn't know it. The LDR was a relief honestly. I don't blame the girl, It was my fault. I wasn't a good boyfriend because I wasn't good to myself but again the concept of putting yourself first was alien to me.

The last 5, the spiral of self hate continued. Relationship ended. we both weren't good for each other in hindsight. I couldn't move on.. I wasn't pining for her, but I couldn't move on. I couldn't fix myself. During the course of this time, I kept absorbing knowledge TRP etc. It all helped me be better in my head.. But I didn't put anything into practice, I didn't approach. I was still scared of being social even though talking isn't difficult for me, making funny comes naturally. All my problems were in my head and not a product of external circumstances. In fact my circumstances in life have been created by my head space. Sometime I wonder where I might have been at if my head was alright. Instead I made a quicksand of negativity in my head and just sunk in. I couldn't do anything in life. I was just so unsure. I usually do everything very well.. And I mean everything but I approached it all from a place of negativity and fear.

I don't know what happened for me to change, but over the final few months my brain started repairing itself. My friend who is a PUA, would tell me to come an do sets and everything etc and I would just decline because I just didn't have the desire or the priority for it. I guess that's approach anxiety. Other areas of my life were absolute shit. I just wasn't happy. but unlike all those years before, I was self aware. I didn't just decide to start approaching one day. something in my brain fixed and told me to do it. It said fuck it, today is the day. Which was strange because it never did that all those years. I could have forced myself to be better and do approaches all those years, but I think it wouldn't have made me feel as good as how it did when it came from within. My problem in life is that I always did many things before I was my time and many things much later than I should have. As a result I was always a grown up, mature, intelligent, occasionally hardworking manchild. Being a child and being childlike are two different things. I think I'll always be childlike and I'm ok with that. I am enjoying this new found confidence and talkative energy and fun side of me that women like that I didn't know I had. I don't say 'I can't' anymore. There is a long way to go and I have to fix so much that I took for granted or didn't understand or wasn't taught but for the 1st time my head is saying "yes you can, you swag motherfucker"

complex21 · 2017-02-14T07:32:59+00:00

My lowest point was during, what many people would consider your "prime" years.

I lived in a very small town with my mother in her basement, I was 22 years old, a good 20-30 pounds overweight, no confidence, no game, no plates. I didn't lift, I was completely beta.

Fast forward 6 years later, I learned about TRP 3 years ago.

I moved to Southern California, I'm 28 years old. I'm down to 12 percent body fat, lift, I have 3 plates that I'm currently spinning. I'm confident, charming, and can get sex whenever I please. I'm constantly improving myself.

I saw a picture of myself before I started reading the TRP and I don't even recognize the person.

furyzen1 · 2017-02-13T21:41:03+00:00

push on brother. we will emmerge victorious on this womend biased fucking race against men. YOU WILL IMPROVE, AS WILL ALL OF US. if we are brave and strong enough

DadOnDabs · 2017-02-14T01:57:59+00:00

Found TRP in highschool and knew a good bit about it but never read the sidebar and applied any of it. When I started college my brother told me "I bet you don't get laid your first year of college" and I didnt. I started lifting as soon as I got back second year because I was constantly told how skinny I was. I met this girl who I thought was perfect for me but was really getting pumped by Chad's on the weekend. She led me on for a while and I chased and chased. I told myself if this didn't work I would become the biggest RP asshole I could become. The rest is history.

rfl52 · 2017-02-14T15:32:32+00:00

Pretty low. 30ish years old, 400+lbs, lost my job, business, house. Moved my family in with my parents. Less than $1000 to my name, phones shut off, parents paid off my car so it wouldn't get repo'd.

6 months later I read MMSLP and started walking come hell or high water. I sometimes think about how I will never go back there. I have proven since to myself that I'm for real time and time again. 190, well built, athletic, 40ish now, in charge of my world.

I still can fall into short periods of depression from time to time. During the thick of the journey it would happen all the time. It gets better and better as my life keeps getting better and better. I think of each period as a rebirth.

When I'm depressed I think about what I need or want to change obsessively. Depression is my cue to re-evaluate my life, something has fallen into a rut. I'll shave my head on a Sunday, check myself out in the mirror, take a deep breath and come out of the bathroom feeling like a child again.

Not_Me_Here · 2017-02-13T23:31:25+00:00

Discovered alcohol at 15.

Started to lift as fuck at about 18

Smoked my first roll at 19 (pretty common here to smoke, most start at 15), never got this in an habit but

First mush trip the year later, then random blotters the next month or so then discover that I can get real LSD... and so on.

RC, mostly psychedelic,tons of stuff, you can read more here.

I was socially weird as fuck (use to be a bit already before). Still never really gave up on lifting, might have went down to once a month at some time.

I don't think drugs ever really been an issue by itself, but I'm glad I haven't went further there, I've met a guy who use to be kinda similar to me, I'm glad to not have met him before, I consider him like the version of me that didn't made it. He seems ok anyway.

My "too deep on drugs"(rock bottom) lasted about a year and a half. I've definitely been lucky to have awesome good friends around. Took me about a year to consider myself as not too awkward and weird. Then took me about a year to finally discover the red pill (I've been looking shitty stuff for a long time, I was willing for all kind of stuff to learn, but there was all the mindset missing). That was 3 weeks ago, since then, I workout everyday at home (and regular muscular training later), wake earlier, hang out, talk to people around, stopped drinking, one of my best friend told me I was different, can't wait to see how far I'll go.

All these drugs made my mind rough. After that, it just needed the right setting, something to pursue, to makes me want to do always more. I still have fear of others thought, but the biggest part is done, psychedelics makes you think people around you are constantly judging you, I was good enough to know that most of the time I was high, it was my high and not really me. It's like being skyzo, you just can't control yourself thinking people are laughing at you. I think what really helped me out of this was to see a lot of friends, more often, and stop seeing (even if I've still seen them some times) my "weird" friends, who didn't really had goal in life.

TheRedStoic · 2017-02-14T11:45:41+00:00

Started drinking a lot and dropped out of college early on. Started my business as a monk mode.

Was actually a great rock bottom I guess. Never lost access to pussy and all hatred was internal and discipline based.

Met a guy who was a close combat instructor with 2 tours under his belt, he'd started a pool installation business. He kinda took me under his wing and that plus actually listening to my red as fuck family got me back on track quickly. The constant training helped build discipline really well too.

THEN1NJA · 2017-02-14T14:12:20+00:00

Personally I don't think I've ever had a bottom. I was a late bloomer with bitches but I've been decent with girls not really knowing what brought me success and what didn't. I've had some women dog me out though but I never was able to connect the dots. I knew being a dick got me laid and being nice and genuine got me blue balls. What clicked for me was when this woman (high school sweetheart) I thought I was gonna marry led me on for two years after we broke up and later even told me she didn't love me anymore the day of my fathers funeral. Finding the redpill has been more like an explanation of shit I've witnessed but couldn't express on my own. I can say my dad tried to put me on game as a kid.

ronsoness · 2017-02-14T20:47:15+00:00

making less than 20k a year. self employed. 135 lbs at 5'10". rejected from any job worthwhile again and again. riding vehicles that kept failing on me. no friends. no dates. bank account did drop to nearly $0. just stayed in and played video games to distract me from how shit my life is. worst thing was that i grew up poor and in foster homes, and i had spent my life at 18 promising i would change my life. and i had gone so far. and then i basically imploded and reverted to avoiding people and being a hermit. it was bad because my mental state said that there was no hope for me of ever being anything more.

Swelldritch · 2017-02-14T05:22:40+00:00

Not incredibly low, but I'm younger than most of the guys on this sub. I'd just turned 19, crappy job to pay for school, skinny-fat, total introvert nerd, white knight turned unknowing MGTOW, to keep it short. I discovered TRP from a Paul Joseph Watson video and slowly (very slowly swallowed the pill). I'm glad I never truly hit rock bottom, this sub saved me from being a lazy blue-pilled cuck.

Though, I think my slow swallowing of the pill was largely in part to the fact that I never hit bottom. I'm in school to be a cop; one of the things you hear a lot about drug abuse is that people will NEVER want to quit using until the hit bottom. It's the same way with RP. That's why you see so many guys I the MGTOW and RP communities who have been screwed by women or let themselves become fat slobs and hate themselves; people often need a 'Oh god, What have I done?' Moment to realize what's gone wrong and change.

Just remember, the harder the fall, the greater the climb. Difficult experiences will give you AMPLE motivation to improve.

Title	How low was your "rock bottom" to change?
Author	mrccmrp10
Upvotes	44
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Date	February 13, 2017 6:51 PM UTC (9 years ago)
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