Talking trash when you’re an easy target

gracienoob · 2020-10-21T19:20:55+00:00

I was fat, everything motivated me to lose weight. I would get fucking pissed about how I was insecure about my weight. No one insulted me or hurt my feelings more than I did. I lost weight with a purpose.

You're a fat fucking piece of shit. The only thing that should be on your mind for the next 2 years is losing weight. Nothing else should matter in your life, I'm surprised your not already dead.

Wake up, work out, eat right, repeat. Whatever you do don't cut calories to fast/too much. Slow and permanent weight loss is the goal. Also if you lose it at a healthy rate you can build a fuck ton of muscle and get Jacked while doing it. Recomping exists I did it.

I wouldn't think about girls. You already fucked up by not losing the weight 2 years ago. All you can do is think about how if you don't start now you won't get laid after another 2 years

Good luck

boy_named_su · 2020-10-21T19:18:13+00:00

good job, man

I lost 70 pounds last year, have a 4-pack now. Hit me up on chat if you need any tips

It's gonna take a while for your peers to respect you. People get unreasonably angry and cunty when they see you climbing out of the bucket. It's called Crab Bucketing. They can't help it

Don't say anything at all about your journey. Nothing about diet, lifting, red pill. Just say "ya, been eating one less cheeseburger a day" or whatever if they comment

you need to discriminate between "ribbing" and straight up insults. If it's from someone that normally treats you well, and doesn't seem to be purposely mean or cruel, they are probably just joshing you. If that's the case, agree & amplify, or disagree & amplify or pressure flip (look these up on here and TheRedPill sub)

If they are insulting you / disrespecting you, then feel free to attack them, and avoid them in the future

I took an improv class a while back and that helped me. see if there's one in your area, or try online. Helps you think on your feet

The League is a show about dudes that play in a fantasy football league. It's got some serious trash talk. check it out and pick up some ideas from there. Or try some online video games and trash talk strangers and follow along

I'd also recommend learning to fight, not because you want to get into fights, but because it gives you confidence to fight verbally, knowing you can back it up

Atomz00 · 2020-10-21T21:42:42+00:00

" I’m 5’ 8”, 350 pounds at least "

Buy some scales. Weigh yourself every morning when you wake up. It's the best way to figure out how your body responds to diet.

Partner that with the mirror test and the clothes test.

If you're a 4XL, but a 3XL shirt. Try it on once a week to see the gains.

Sometimes you won't lose weight on the scale but you will with the clothes test - as you build muscle etc

All diets work - the trick is finding the one that works for you. One that you can sustain.

Good luck.

-Bran- · 2020-10-21T23:14:20+00:00

Start Brazilian jiu jitsu.

Weight loss + self defense + self confidence because you are no longer anxious of what you would do in a fight or howd you pair up etc (the learning curve is so heavy that 6 months of training will make untrained people in big trouble against you) + super technical and engaging + cool community.

PreEntertain · 2020-10-21T22:06:15+00:00

Sometimes the most alpha/redpill thing you can do is lift another man up. Sure, most of us like and participaite and lead the shit talking for entertainment but buddy, next time someones swingin' come in with your natural strengths and be kind.

"Hey Pugilist! how many wipes does it take to clean that fat ass of yours?"

comeback with: "Actually, a lot less now that I've lost 10 lbs. SPeaking of which bro, you're looking bomb yourself. Whats your secret to having such a nice ass?"

Keep it light. Keep it witty. Keep it kind, and if you do it right, it can have a bit of an edge. It's too often on here people walk away from the sidebar, and all they get from it is "FUck yeaH I gOtTa be a bigger DICK ASSFUCK ASHHOLE"

When an alpha male improves, everyone around him should too. Shit should be contagious.

You don't have to stop being a kind human. You will get tougher skin with time by applying the above.

IXseed · 2020-10-22T02:00:46+00:00

It goes like this. The main reason they keep bringing it up is because it bothers you. That's it. Now you know your faults. My question is, are you making strides to fix them all? Then you have no shame. Yea you may be fat and a virgin but that's because you were living a fat virgin life. Now your changing and just need to let time catch up.

UEMcGill · 2020-10-22T12:48:07+00:00

Your years of self-depreciation shows through. Ballbusting is a test of frame. It harkens back to the day when we were hunter-gatherers and the dudes around you literally had to rely on you for life and death. It's a way the tribe still makes sure you're one of them and capable.

First, understand that they are getting you to judge yourself. Are you a fat fuck? Yeah, everyone knows that. So if they give you shit about it, either don't be fat or fucking own it.

"Hey Pugilist, you're so fat, you the Chinese buffet said 'you no come in, you too fat!"

"If I'm such a fat fuck why's your mom keep calling me? Tell that bitch to leave me alone"

Here's the rub. It's never going to stop. Not because you're fat, but because you don't have frame. Lose weight? They'll bust your chops for being a former fatty. Too short? They'll bust your chops about your height. It never stops.

So be the guy that the tribe thinks is capable. Take ownership of who you are, and when people bust your chops show them it doesn't phase you.

TheFlamePugilist · 2020-10-21T19:26:58+00:00

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cydestiny · 2020-10-22T03:52:02+00:00

Unfortunately, it takes forever for someone to change their view on you especially when it's cognitively confirmed over the years. In short, it is never worth to change them anyways.

However, I see where you are heading, you are basically doing everything you could to be the cool guy based upon the people around you or generally what you consumed. It will make your life much worse than before taking the pill because at least previously, you're following the line subconsciously, i.e. following what everyone else is doing.

It did not quite change, you did not quite move away from the mindset that you need to act in a certain ways to function, except now the blue pill ways are getting replaced by red pill ways. "Things will get better when you improve yourself" is the motivation trap that is used to fill in the empty space people had in themselves. It will not last for long and you will see yourself burnt out, worse still you will long for more motivation.

The solution, is to strengthen the ability to think independently. It doesn't mean you become some goofball that is so full of himself that anyone who isn't lifting and spinning plate is a blue pill loser. You become someone who, even after consuming a lot information online or offline, is able to think and devise a plan for himself.

For instance, the things you are facing with your peers or people around you is not about you're not masculine enough, is not about that you couldn't punch anyone in their face whenever they trash talk about you, it is about the way you socialize. When's the last time you talked to a stranger and hold up a conversation? When's the last time you actually speak out your honest opinion about something?

Again, I am asking this questions, not because I want a definitive answer, I want you to think. There's no 3 rules to be a masculine male when socializing and there's certainly a lot more than the 48 laws of power. Reading them is one thing, using them is another. You have to practice, fail, adjust, practice, for as long as you need. You talk to your peers, you realize, "Oh man they are not respecting me", what do you do next? Punch them because TRP says so? No, you try a different way of communication, find out what works for you with TRP knowledge backing you up but not following in to the letters.

Same goes to lifting, provide that you are not athletic, isn't it better to consistently work your way up to be able to run on treadmills everyday, before you hurt yourself bench pressing 100kg in inappropriate form or half reps? But most people in TRP will just sell you the idea that you must lift, myself included. Why? Because I'm not you, I don't know how it is like to workout in that weight, even if I know that if you don't have at least some basic physical fitness, you will failed to sustain lifting, why should I tell you? It's mentally taxing to devise a plan for you. And most importantly, because I don't need people telling me what I need to do.

But to get to the point where you just know what to do, you need to take action, fail a lot, eat lots of shit and do a lot of thinking. Most don't persist through, they will search for 10 ways to make them happy the next fucking day or the detailed guide to punch your friends.

My rule of thumb: Don't reject ideas or take ideas in the face, agree and disagree with it.

The goal is not to live a 365 24/7 happy fairy tale life, the goal is to experience things as much as possible.

DoctorObby · 2020-10-22T04:13:35+00:00

I know it’s hard and you have a long journey ahead of you but just ignore all the haters. If you can pay your bills the only other thing on your mind should be losing weight. Literally the only thing. This is literally life and death man, make sure you understand that.

mtl_dood · 2020-10-22T04:23:19+00:00

But until then, I know I’m gonna have to deal with these insults being hurled at me if I try to fire back

I think you are coming to peace with the fact that you are (were) an easy target. If you stick to your journey, you will change soon enough. Probably you can complete a 180 within a year (keto diet recommended for rapid and safe weight loss while maintaining muscle).

But, that being said, your current friends will still know all your weak points to hit you as if you were still a slow, fat target. Their memory will never fade.

Change yourself. Then you will find new friends. And you will be reborn. And in your new life, you can be whoever you want. And my man, this will move fast. With some work, you can physically get to beast mode in a year. And by the content of your post, you can probably get at least to a stable red pill state in that time too.

And on a final note:

getting over these insecurities so I don’t react so negatively when I hear them, and learning how to punch back.

You never punch back. That is reactionary. It is what happens when people get into your frame, and by default that is your own problem, rather than somebody else's. Red pill is almost like being a mafia don. You don't get your hands dirty with shallow fights. Choose your battles, and only fight when it is most necessary (almost never the case).

2020-10-22T04:31:33+00:00

Lose weight now bro. Don’t wait any longer. People will talk less trash.

Scores_Man_Mund · 2020-10-22T04:43:05+00:00

Hey man, I agree with most of the advice here and don't have much to offer other than the most sincere "good luck" I can give. This shit's hard (I was a fat fuck who lost a ton of weight when I discovered TRP four years ago), but it is doable. And you'll never regret it. Feel free to DM me if you ever have problems/need someone to talk to about weight loss

PM_Happy_Puppy_Pics · 2020-10-22T05:09:12+00:00

Fuck man, you gotta roll with it. You can't be "thin-skinned" you gotta take a punch or two and throw back a few punches, southern accent "Can you bell-Eve, this dude listens to x music? Why you like dat garb edge?"

OWN IT. BE A GODDAMN MAN!

You don't owe anyone Jack Shit, you can like whatever you want and do whatever you want, you have a penis and balls so act like it.

Who gives one fuck about what other people feel or think about you? You do whatever the hell you want (legally, ok?)

I started out being 340 lbs (6'3) at age 31~ and I lost 100lbs+ and I recommend solely cico. Meal prep, no cheating, count literally everything and weigh it. It took me about a year. TDEE and CICO. Don't be ashamed, don't worry what people say, you are improving your life and taking control.

You only get one life? Do you want to be in control or will you be passive?

LLL3peat · 2020-10-22T05:18:49+00:00

Honestly, I was you. Wasn't the virgin at 30, but everything else comes to mind. Honestly, people will make fun of you along the way, but just agree that maybe things shouldn't change, and keep your goal a secret. Make your moves in silence. Everyone has their method of losing weight and gaining muscle. Energy balance means quite a bit.

Your music taste, clothes you wear, etc is all you. Everyone (most people) is going to think its 100% bullocks until you become valuable in other's eyes. That might be through success, weight loss, financial gains, etc. It'll be a grind, however, you have to dig in and want it.

Rule of thumb as you are considered more than morbidly obese at 5'8" 350, your goal is to lose .08% of your body weight a week maximum to prevent muscle loss as well as keep your mentality as high as possible as you progress.

This online calculator is pretty accurate to determine estimating your daily energy caloric needs. Make sure to consume around 150-160 grams of protein daily, a minimum of 70g of fats (keep your hormones and anxiety in check while dieting, and the rest carbs. At your body weight and body fat, you should be able to run a deficit of calories for around 4 weeks until taking a 2-week diet break without affecting your metabolism too much.

https://www.omnicalculator.com/health/bmr

That doesn't sound like much, but let's assume you don't eat more than your calculated metabolic rate, anything you do is considered a deficit. This includes getting up and going to the bathroom, yawning, walking around the house, calories burned while cooking food, twitching, etc. ~500 calories burned a day (walking about 3 miles or 10,000 steps) leads to ~1 pound loss a week. Remember you still have the rest of your daily life to do things too and all that activity adds to your energy burned as well. Don't be freaked out if you drop 4-6 pounds a week. If you start tomorrow, you should be able to drop at least 20 pounds before the new year.

My recommendation is slow and steady, sustainable, and enjoy the journey. Diet for 4 weeks on, Maintain for 2 weeks, then back to dieting again for 4 weeks. Rinse, lather, repeat.

It takes 4 weeks for strangers to notice a change, 8 weeks for friends to notice the change, 12 weeks for you to notice the change. Keep moving. Feel free to message me if you'd like.

I'd recommend a scale like other people have mentioned previously. One with Wifi connection and an app. It makes tracking easy. Get up, sip of coffee, bathroom, step on the scale for daily weight check in. The Wifi ability allows you to use an app and all your data charts and history come to you at your fingertips. The Nokia Body+ and its variants support up to 400 pounds if that's any interest to you. I love mine, and I've had it for 3+ years. Batteries last around 2 years.

ChadBreeder1 · 2020-10-22T05:59:05+00:00

Good for you, man. It’s going to be a long road and the odds are against your success. You are insanely overweight. With dedication you can easily lose at least 50 - 60 lbs./year if you focus your training, diet, and everything you do for the next few years on losing weight over everything. Don’t worry too much about building muscle outside of working out to lose weight because it’s going to be a while before your muscles show at that weight.

Diet and exercise. Every day. Forever.

If you don’t do this, you have no chance at turning your life around. Godspeed.

AloofusMaximus · 2020-10-22T12:22:00+00:00

So good for you for deciding to take charge of yourself and your life!

With that being said, people aren't going to give you respect on their own (courtesy perhaps). People treat you, how you let them. They're also going to use the way that you treat yourself as a base (and you haven't treated yourself too well to me it seems). There has to be a real basis though, I see it pretty often on here... Dude wants to demand respect, but it's glaringly obvious he has no self respect.

I suggest looking into some philosophy/inner game type stuff. Stoicism is what I most agree with, and had a lot of my views line up with that before I actually started diving in

Essentially stoicism is going to teach you that YOU have the ability to control how you react to things. Random dude calls you a fat virgin, well you are currently a fat virgin ( those things can change). Insults only have the power YOU give them.

RedEyeBlackEye1 · 2020-10-22T13:08:15+00:00

ignore them,focus on LEVELING UP!

Agree and amplify works on everybody(females,bloopers,and fake tryhard alphas).

Ignoring,pressure flipping works too.

Cutting negative hating ass mothafuckas out of your life works even better.

Only YOU HAVE THE POWER TO GET RESPECT FOR YOURSELF.

fix your posture,hold your head up,stick your chest out,and walk around like a god among insects(that's what I do).

Good luck, stay safe

2020mademejoinreddit · 2020-10-25T10:04:32+00:00

Is there any way you could temporarily distance yourself from socializing without ruining your future prospects in career? That can help you a little bit until you achieve your goals. It did help me, I was always reserved and became more selective with who I kept around me.

Poopguy420saaaays · 2020-10-21T19:02:49+00:00

You actually care?

red pill is about opening your eyes to the truth. Their never going to change their mind about you (or any other idiot blue-pill leftie) to me it seems like its been too long for them to resect you now.

The best way to do this is to change your personality type, or even start "acting like another culture. though in my opinion red pill is enough.

Another way is to stop wearing those douchie ass clothing and adopt a sense of style . kind of like hawk in cobrai kai Your never going to get anybody's respect if dont do atleast this.

anyways just change who you are and style; music, clothes, stop caring ,and to an extent by your freinds

or are you saying that you lose the arguements by being like blue-pill?

benhurensohn · 2020-10-21T19:16:00+00:00

Respect doesn't come over night. Every day you work on yourself and everyday you'll come a bit closer to your goal

Filmguy000 · 2020-10-21T19:42:50+00:00

My blue-pilled self still dislikes the idea of attacking people, and potentially hurting their feelings. It’s to the point that I don’t even think about what I could possibly hit someone with if they decide to come at me first. And that’s gotta go.

Shit man, I thought I was the only one lol. It's this weird vicious circle where you are appalled that people can throw harsh jabs at you without a second though, yet you can't do it because you don't want to hurt anyone. I still struggle with this. I'm not as bad as before but I still fail every now and then. My issue also is that I'm a person that just likes to chill and have a pleasant time and then when an asshole decides to throw shit at me, it kind of catches me off guard and I get kind of stunted. Not scared or intimidated, more like ,"why did you do that?". I don't mind playful banter as I do it too, but flat out insults that are disguised as jokes yet ruin my image are another matter.

A lot of my problem is superficial in that I'm about 5'6 and have always been on the heavier side myself. I've lost weight but that doesn't make you taller. One thing that helped me was learning stoicism and not reacting to comments. Before I would try to fight back but it always ended up making things worse. Now, if I don't have a comeback, I just keep my face blank and pretend they didn't say anything. Or sometimes I do agree and amplify unphased. This isn't always the greatest thing but is effective a lot of the time because, idiots get off on the reactions.

I'd definitely try to lose as much weight as possible and if you can, grow a beard. I'm balding but I shave my head and have a super thick beard. This definitely helped when hanging around other men. A serious bearded dude with a shaved head appears scarier so dudes think twice. But as far as your circle of friends, you may have to drop them and find new ones after you're in a better spot with yourself. I had to do this myself. Unfortunately, if they already don't take you seriously now, they will always see you as the same dude for a long time. In fact, if you improve yourself to the point of being toe to toe then surpassing them as far as success/woman, they may come down on you harder. Because no one wants to get their ass kicked by their own punching bag.

Narcofunk · 2020-10-21T20:21:51+00:00

Suck it up for a bit and continue on your journey. Respect will come, but you'll have to gain your full self-respect first. Keep walking forward on your road, don't be too eager to get the results, and let the trash they give you forge your character for now, let it burn, and when the time comes all that you'll get will have even more value. It's not easy but it's worth it.

RevolutionaryPea7 · 2020-10-22T09:04:19+00:00

The biggest piece of advice I can give you is to identify and ruthlessly purge sources of negativity from your life. You can't counter these with a positive. You have to get rid of the negative.

Let's start with your weight. You're fat because you stuff your face with too much food. Simple as that. This is a source of negativity. No amount of exercise will counter this. Stop eating so much. Look up intermittent fasting. Eat two meals a day. No snacks. No drinking calories. You will lose weight.

Next consider your friends. They sound like shitty friends and you don't need them. Cut them out of your life. Then you can work on getting better friends. If you're lifting then you might meet better people at the gym. But always start with removing the negatives.

GunTotingFarmer · 2020-10-21T20:52:29+00:00

First off, conceal carry. Second off, stop trash talking, at least in a non joking. You’re not 11 anymore, all it’s gonna do is cause problems.

Title	Talking trash when you’re an easy target
Author	TheFlamePugilist
Upvotes	51
Comments	53
Date	October 21, 2020 6:43 PM UTC (5 years ago)
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ignore them,focus on LEVELING UP!