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[–]Smart_Mammoth_7791 53 points54 points55 points 3 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
I differ from others here. I think you can work on yourself and improve your game at roughly the same time.
If I was you, I would focus 100% on my new job 6 months or so, really hit it out the park. Once your boss and everyone is comfortable that you are a great employee they will cut you more slack.
Then I would work on improving my appearance and game (internal and external) whenever not working.
It doesn’t matter how much money you have and how amazing your physique is if you don’t put yourself in a situation to meet and approach women. All that preparation becomes an excuse to be a coward and not approach.
Approach, approach, approach. You will miss some, you will hit some. Those hits will make it all worth it. Those misses will just give you a thicker skin and a thick skin is good.
Otherwise you will find yourself 10 years older, maybe richer, but still afraid of approaching women.
[–]RUSTAM029 5 points6 points7 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So accurate brother..motivates me to get my shit together....thnx
[–]RokuroMonsuta 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
thank you bro, would you recommend trying day game?
[–]Smart_Mammoth_7791 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Once you have your new job under control, I would recommend trying everything. Daygame, nightgame and OLD. The mindset that you learn from real life game will help you with the texting and flirting in OLD.
The goal is getting that one on one date/drink with the woman. Whatever means you use, and the more means you use the more probability you have of meeting more women. It’s a numbers game.
[–]RokuroMonsuta 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
thank you man, I will definitely do this then. no more wasting time.
btw, how was your journey with game?
[–]Smart_Mammoth_7791 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
It’s a long story. But the very condensed version is that OLD works very well for me, but it became am excuse to be a coward and avoid IRL cold approaching.
Once I pushed myself to do IRL approaching it helped both my IRL and OLD game. The basic principles (confidence, looking and smelling your best, no neediness, giving them something different and hopefully exciting, etc) apply always, no matter how you meet the woman.
[–]RokuroMonsuta 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
thanks for your insight man, I also believe that learning game will help with my career.
It takes balls, leadership skills, persuasion, confidence, in order to move up the ladder these days.
so if I am a pussy, I will not advance.
[–][deleted] 24 points25 points26 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Hey brother I hope you read this. I’m 26 so it resonated with me.
I would say get on dating apps. But also maintain a balance, so if you see a cute girl who looks about your age in line at a coffee or tea shop, you could introduce yourself. Not necessarily go out and get numbers, but the more you put yourself in uncomfortable scenarios the easier it will become.
I would also suggest you get a gym membership and train 2-3 days out of 7. Do your best at your work. Eat healthy if you can afford to.
Women pick up on subtle details. Are your finger nails a bit overgrown? Dirty? Are you maintaining your facial hair if any? Are you wearing clothes that actually fit and compliment your body well? Are your sneakers clean or are they ready to be tossed out?
Your first impression is everything. Whether you’re at your new job, at your new gym, or in line grabbing coffee. Your image matters. Take care of yourself. Smile! It’s ok to make eye contact :) just know that it gets better. You’re still so young, don’t be too hard on yourself. Focus on what you can control. Don’t stress over what you cannot.
For example I’m 5’7 and I used to stress over my height and made it my biggest insecurity, until I learned to relax a little bit and just focus on my image. Wear nice clothing now that fits me well. Got my muscle mass up. Got my weight up. Keep my body we groomed. I make more eye contact and I smile more lately. Ive never done better with women in my life until age 26.
Keep your head up my friend and enjoy yourself in this new chapter
[–]omega05 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
What I want from you OP is 6 months to a year from now to create a thread on here guiding the younger dudes on how you became a seduction monster in your new city. Thats all I want for you
[–]NinetailsDestruction 12 points13 points14 points 3 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I would focus on yourself in terms of body, and making money and being independent. Don’t focus on girls and try to be someone that can make a girl really happy and have fun.
And also please don’t mention your Indian when looking for advice. I’ve seen it too many times and it really doesn’t make a difference in advice.
[–]RokuroMonsuta 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
yeah I put indian because of the living with parents thing as it's normal in my culture.
thank you for the advice.
I can do the above, I workout already, I am working on trying to make more money, but I feel like I will use the above as excuses to not talk to girls or be social, and this way I do not have to deal with the fear of rejection.
If I want to develop myself, I do believe I need to target this anxiety and fear of rejection, and put myself into places where I can actually meet and interact with women.
[–]NinetailsDestruction 4 points5 points6 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Bro every country except America they live with their parents. No need to say your Indian because of that. You put barriers within yourself when you say that and you probably don’t even realize it. And that’s the point man. When your grinding and making money there really isn’t time for girls and social life. Try to keep grinding. Stay patient. Don’t be needy and stop trying to get a girl. You’ll end up looking desperate once a girl does come. Just focus on yourself and think about your positives. You can easily find someone once you work on yourself and help build your masculine frame and mentality.
[–]Dangerous_Guitar_213 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
In Indian culture don't parents normally arrange marriages for their kids?
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[–]Dangerous_Guitar_213 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
They do, but if you look at them, they are bound together only because of cultural norms.
I have relatives that are in miserable relationships, they are resentful and dislike each other, but stayed together because they are both afraid of leaving each other and scared of what others would think.
I guess I do not want that for myself, and even if I got an arranged marriage, I have some problems that I want to solve, like I want to build social skills and the ability to sexualize with women I find attractive.
Right now, it is just fear stopping me.
[–]chillbill1220 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
If you have good pictures of yourself try dating apps. Not much fear of rejection on the apps. In my experience you’ll get maybe one date for every 20 girls you match with. So don’t get too invested in each match and just put energy into the ones that are showing interest.
[–]quadfintryfin 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Get hobbies that will lead you to meet more people. Team sports such as volleyball, baseball league, basketball, running, whatever.
Forget this rico suave bullshit.
There are many meetup groups that may help too. I there’s a run-drink club where I live. I’m sure that’d be a great opportunity to meet people.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yup. OP go out and build your social circle. Social circle has and always will be the best way to meet women.
[–]hummm- 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Well here's my advice. You're young. Focus on your life and career but that still leaves plenty of time for you to have play time. Find the time to enjoy yourself with as many females as you can. You don't have to go all the way with sex if you're not ready. But get out there and enjoy yourself. Let yourself enjoy their bodies and let them explore your body. Don't worry about self-esteem. If the women are into you then obviously they're attracted to you. You should make sure your balancing out your life with fun and something that makes you feel good along with work. So again 100% go out there and enjoy every opportunity/experience you can with a female body. Even if it's just her stroking you or if it's just you being able to explore her body. It will do wonders for for your mindset and mental well-being.
Thanks to all the comments on here, I will read through them after work and make a plan of action :-)
[–]Eymar_ -2 points-1 points0 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
Id get an escort
[–]TheUnsecure 1 point2 points3 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Wouldn't solve shit
[–]khan114936 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Isn't having a girlfriend a loose form of prostitution?
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[–]zapadz 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Here are some videos on getting started attracting women
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JPCU03Dp8Zw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=050mAG7O4LY&list=PL76nuCstxs7jpcbJ3B5Cbrs7-4gTwjBWF&index=1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW6xxz92gJk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-jvM3NSs6Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twTrrGiRXtY
[–]mjornir 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I’d say focus on socializing. Find a friend group first, go out and meet people. Find some cafes, parks and bars you like and can frequent. Find some meetup groups/hobbies/social sport leagues that you can get involved with. Build your social network and social skills. And then go from there
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
The social dancing scene in London is very good, particularly Bachata. Bachata is mainly full of women in their 20s which is the ideal demographic for you. It's a good way to meet girls and build a social/friend group which you need when moving to a new city
[–]RokuroMonsuta 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Thank you, this is something I will look into
If you're interested the best night to give it a go is Sundays. There's a free event in Liverpool Street called Bachata Exchange, they have an hour long free class followed by a social event. There's often about 300 people there.
https://m.facebook.com/104545821971522/
[–]turned_wand 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Have good nutrition, exercise, hobbies that you enjoy and make you interesting. Go out often but not too often. Don’t make picking up girls your objective, make going out to the event and enjoying it your objective. When they give you attention (aka choosing signals aka indicators of interest) ACT ON IT. They don’t give every guy that same attention. I know exactly what you mean about having trash mindset and self esteem and not escalating. If a girl approaches you, like is all of a sudden within three to six feet of you, it wasn’t an accident. Talk to her. Dance with her. I can’t even remember the number of times I’ve been at a venue and some baddie babe is all of a sudden right next to me where I’m dancing. Sometimes they even just approach and start grinding without me doing anything. And I have never fucked a single one of them. Because I didn’t act and didn’t escalate. Like some scared little boy.
[–]pikecat 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Just practice talking to people, people that you don't know. You can also follow all the other advice here too. But talking to people will slowly increase your social skills. Never worry if it doesn't go well, it can be the other person, either way you will get better.
I was a bit shy when young, because I didn't know what to say to people, or felt I wasn't good enough. After lots of practice, I would say all of the right things without any thought at all. Now, when you're not concerned with your social skills, you start to see more that you didn't see before.
Along the way, the ever increasing confidence got me laid at an ever increasing rate.
I did not set out to get girls, just to be better socially. Getting laid was just an accident. Not needing a girl seems to be a thing that works.
[–]Shrodax 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Make sure your logistics are in order wherever you live. You'll want an apartment (or flat as you British call them?) within close walking distance of bars, coffee shops, and restaurants. Arrange your dates there, so it's very easy to hop over to your place afterwards!
[–]revente 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Divide your attention between joining hobby groups and the cold approaching, preferably in bars/clubs.
[–]hakeem15 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I would tell me to regularly go out and do things that I enjoy that have a decent amount of women around. The more women you're around these women who share interests, the better you'll become at relaxing/socializing with them. Eventually you'll meet your tribe & make friends that either like you romantically or they will have friends that want you.. and it'll be effortless and abundant.
I'd also lose the mentality of virgin /struggle with women, since that burrows into the subconscious and causes self sabotage. You're already a normal dude, worthy of love and romance. Girls like you now. That's the mentality to have :)
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
If you haven't started exercising and getting fit, I would start spending some time on that.
I'd also take up a social hobby outside of work to put myself out there. Salsa/Bachata dancing is a great way to meet friends (male and female), and the women there are much less standoffish and more likely to give you the benefit of the doubt, in my experience anyway.
Don't go full monk mode and focus on income alone. You won't develop your social skills and character that way.
thanks for the advice, yes the monk mode is my problem
[–]grindforthegold 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
i wouldn’t know i’ve gotten rejected in my past 8 dates
yeah but you been on 8 dates, so congrats man.
why do you think you are not going further?
[–]grindforthegold 0 points1 point2 points 3 years ago* (0 children) | Copy Link
i have no idea bro and this sub doesn’t let me freaking post i can’t get any feedback it’s driving me a little nuts … I don’t know if it’s that i’m a catfish or not , but they seem to react well on the dates and give me good vibes.
I think a part of it on the first few dates was I gave away too much personal info. health issues, beliefs, philosophical talks etc. all things I think that should be reserved for dates later on once things get more serious. Other than that I don’t have a place to pull to close to my venue , but there’s no good venues near my pull location so i’m kinda conflicted.
my second to last date was in the bag but then i fucked it up by talking about life and spirituality and bs i shouldn’t have brought up and it killed he vibe . should’ve just told her to head home since i drove her there
my final date truly baffled me. girl was way under my league. but i waited two days (like waited the day after the date and te yet than day ago after that) to text her and I think she was trying to keep taking to me that same night, maybe she felt like i didn’t care. on the other hands the others girls I KNEW i should’ve waited cuz i had a gut feeling. I ignored my gut in too many of these situations and failed in the end.
in the end idk because a girl that’s really into you would forgive you for those little fuck ups, so either they didn’t find me that attractive or just are too showered with other men to care. Maybe it’s me but i have a great personality lots of friends and I even make music, so it’s ridiculous to be these boring ass girls with literally no skills or anything to show would reject me over that, but girls as so stuck up now a days i’m not surprised either. All in all they were good girls and I don’t blame them for being so picky but having had gfs in the past hotter than most of them it does leave me pretty confused and it’s definitely a bit depressing but i’ll just have to keep trying
edit: i did finger bang a girl in the back of my car but she moved away. lame af. another one is obsessed with me and doesn’t stop texting me , but i’m not into her. the rest rejected me
my dates are : two drinks in two bars , walk from one to the other , then walk to a little lake and bridge right next to it , hold their hand , go for kiss , ask them what’s next and either say bye or try to bring them home (or my car, which is how i did it for that girl)
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