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madmanmat · 2021-12-20T19:36:19+00:00

I would take a 6-7 any day with a great personality over a 8 9 10 with zero personality

RecycledMatrix · 2021-12-20T19:52:49+00:00

Game is amoral. What issue would be solved by your sacrifice of easy lays?

If it's contributing to incel men, that's on them to improve themselves whether they want casual sex or a relationship.

If it's contributing to the carousel and post-wall misery, that's on women to avoid the mistake of conflating sex and relationships.

My personal honor code includes never misleading women to the nature of the relationship. If they want sex, great. If they want a relationship and I don't, they can work for that elsewhere.

If you don't, another guy will. Do ask yourself: are you sacrificing potential relationships with women of your caliber by chasing women you have no intention of being with? Can you yourself separate the two, and where is your energy invested?

IntimidatingBlackGuy · 2021-12-20T19:18:02+00:00

As long as you are upfront about the type of relationship you are looking for, there is nothing wrong.

skatinislife446 · 2021-12-20T19:42:21+00:00

People are getting so butthurt when you’re doing exactly what all attractive men who sleep around do.

Mog_Melm · 2021-12-20T20:15:15+00:00

I think the issue is subtle and not one you've named. 5-6s are psychologically a little different than 8-9s. The more success you achieve with 5-6s, the more you condition yourself to be what 5s and 6s want. You aren't even getting feedback about your interaction with very attractive women. So I think the subtle complication to your plan is that you're conditioning yourself to fare no better than 5s and 6s.

This isn't intended to be a proof that you've taken the wrong approach. Rather, it is something to watch out for. Best of luck to you, and no matter which way you go I'm glad that somebody out there is having some success.

2021-12-20T20:04:17+00:00

Are you actually attracted to the average girls or is it just cause you’re horny and want easy sex?

Canadian-Seductioner · 2021-12-20T19:35:09+00:00

As long as you're not lying about your intentions (i.e. Acting like or saying you're looking for a relationship when you're really just trying to fuck), then you're fine. Be honest about your intentions and everyone is happy.

SmallSorbet · 2021-12-20T19:48:12+00:00

At first I didn’t agree with everyone giving you a hard time in the comments, but your post history alone confirms that you are pretty full of yourself. But back to your concern… I recently watched an interesting video on YouTube explaining how girls who are 5-7’s have inflated egos because they get hit on often due to being perceived as “easier” targets by guys.

fall0ut · 2021-12-20T20:17:50+00:00

As long as she wants to hook up with you it's fine. Just don't lead the uglies on like you want more than just a hook up.

2021-12-20T19:14:11+00:00

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JacobMoogberg69 · 2021-12-20T18:58:38+00:00

Ugly women are harder to pick up. Also if they are only fucking your once and don't come back it means you suck in bed. Which is what a lot of women are used to. They see a good looking guy and know that he's never had to learn how to fuck good.

berttbeans996 · 2021-12-20T19:25:26+00:00

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Bitchface77 · 2021-12-20T19:24:53+00:00

If u think you should be able to do better why aren't the 10s with u .. you're settling for easiness and out of lack of self esteem if someone is worth being with you have to put the extra work . Prostitutes are probably cheaper easier option no one gets hurt until u find the right person

2021-12-20T19:58:34+00:00

If you spread your seed across too much plough it's going to harvest wrong. Focus on a few chicks and rotate them if not to your liking. They are doing the same thing. Is it ok to bang fat chicks? I guess just remember if that condom breaks that fat chick could be your fat baby momma

halloweenhoe124 · 2021-12-20T20:04:57+00:00

The fact that you think you’re in a higher “league” and are trying to date “beneath you” to get sex is pretty fucked. If a girl doesn’t talk to you again after sex, it obviously means the sex was shit.

QtK_Dash · 2021-12-20T19:19:25+00:00

Franky, either you suck at sex, you think too much of yourself or are boring to talk to, or they’re aware you’re insecure/want to just pump and dump so they get some and leave.

Not to mention that when it comes to dating women also look at personality, background, IQ, EQ etc. where for them you’re lacking. So instead of bothering trying to continue something with you, why not look for someone better suited to their needs/wants?

You’d do the same if you’re actually serious about dating I presume.

beans0913 · 2021-12-20T20:11:54+00:00

If you are that attractive , you shouldn’t have to “date down” just to get laid.

And you aren’t all that attractive from over here

Bitchface77 · 2021-12-20T19:21:54+00:00

Yes it's wrong your disrespecting yourself first her 2nd.. when unsure think would I like my daughter sitting mother whatever to be treated like that. If the answer is no don't do it

PaleontologistNo2785 · 2021-12-20T19:50:08+00:00

Why are u asking us? If u think its fine then do it. If u think its wrong stop. U dont need the approval of random people on the internet.

GreatScotRace · 2021-12-20T20:16:53+00:00

Anybody that thinks they’re above people are usually below people. Wonder if there’s a reason you didn’t post a pic of yourself considering how highly you think of yourself. Probably “settling” for 5s because you’re in that category too.

Basic-Custard5894 · 2021-12-20T20:18:05+00:00

Yea, please don’t do this. It’s horrible for the women you’re using and clearly you don’t respect them. Just leave them alone

rachel_higs · 2021-12-20T20:38:21+00:00

honestly, i don’t think women think they way you seem to think they do - no matter where they are on your lil scale. i think once they’ve been “pumped and dumped” by enough men, it goes to their head not in the way you described…but in the “okay let’s avoid dudes that act the way he acted so i don’t get hurt again.” they are being more selective not based on attractiveness, but on behavior.

but to answer your question, yeah…what you’ve described is wrong. for you and for the women. focus all of that energy on pursuing the women you’d be actually interested in romantically. stop using women to get off and level up yourself so the women you want are actually interested in you.

and seriously, reframe the way you think about women and dating. very attractive women are not going to tolerate self-centeredness and lowkey misogynistic sentiments. they are probably curving you because of your behavior and attitude. if you want a high-value woman, you need to be high-value too 🤷🏻‍♀️

09piercd · 2021-12-20T19:15:24+00:00

Nah you’re doing them a favour

2021-12-20T19:22:00+00:00

Anyone of them heard you talk like this suddenly they'd consider you "date down"

poly_nerdy_panda · 2021-12-20T20:32:05+00:00

Dude, you're going about it wrong, and you never push yourself to go get those 8-9 because it because easier (less scary) to push yourself out of the comfort zone .. why do something scary vs do something easy... if you match so much so easily it's easy to get these same girls out to the nightclubs together and build your social system having a bunch of 5,6,7 around you will for sure get hotter girls around you too.. but you have to push those 8-10 as you would a 5... for myself I relate better to the 6-8's but again my perfect 10 isn't those playboy bunnies more the cara santa maria type's the girl who typically dresses down but when she dresses up people take notice

2021-12-20T20:32:40+00:00

If I were in your shoes I'd have no problem with an endless stream of women throwing themselves at me. But from a moral perspective, yes you are contributing to the problem. But then so are women. And so are the guys who complain but just stay in their rooms all the time and don't even try to look their best. Maybe just do what works out for you?

But if you want to be strictly moral, then you should probably hint to these women that you don't want anything serious. If they want a hookup and you want a hookup its fine.

jodioloca · 2021-12-20T20:46:32+00:00

It's not wrong, you do it consciously. If you feel bad about it is because you might be 'using them', or 'confusing them' and unconsciously you know it is wrong. That's on you.

Now, you want to date an attractive women that is on the same level as you, but it's just so difficult because it requires work, work you rather not do right now?

Perfect, so let's meanwhile give the chances to the 5-7 girls who were not blessed by the beauty Gods. They would be so grateful that you are spending time with them, and hey, average girls need sex too.

One thing I will say tho, be careful. You think you are the only one playing that game?

While you do this, your future attractive girl is getting pumped and dumped by man willing to put in the work. Only to get bored and jump to the next victim.

Let's not act as if attractive girls don't get used for sex and validation either.

There are tons of attractive girls. There is plenty for everyone.

So when you meet that attractive women you are looking for commitment, don't be stressed if she has some toxic traits. After all, that is only fair. And, don't get turned off by her body count please. She just been looking for you all along.

All I am trying to say is: don't act like an asshole because one way or another, that comes back to you, and you might end up with a 4. Wink.

Napalm_in_the_mornin · 2021-12-20T21:08:36+00:00

As many others have said, it’s not wrong as long as you’re upfront. EARLY. Unfortunately, that is the hard part because you need to seem interested and usually go on at least one or two nice dates before you can even enter casual sex mode.

I did this lAst year during COVID, cleaned up a ton of solid 7’s on Hinge (amazing bodies or great in bed, but perhaps not classically pretty or someone cool enough to hang out with in normal life ) but my issue was taking too long to have to “casual FWB talk” and them thinking it could be a real relationship. Then you have to deal with a bunch of pissed girls who started fantasizing about relationships because you let them spend the night or caved in to going on date-like functions.

FWIW, many of them will still come back around for the casual hook-up once some distance is created.

jawanaman · 2021-12-20T22:04:05+00:00

You do you man. Just encourage other men to join you on the level up journey.

Sweet-Tea-Lemonade · 2021-12-20T22:42:59+00:00

Silly ass question.

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