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[–]earsurgery9 46 points47 points48 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
numbers game, bro. Keep going. Your goal is to find sociable girls who like how you look. From there it tends to take care of itself. Nobody can game a girl who doesn't want to be gamed by you
Unlikely you could have changed that result unless like you were unable to look her in the eye and other massive mistakes, but that doesn't apply to 99% of guys
[–]thecultmachine 6 points7 points8 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
100% Numbers. Its Sales. Not everyone is gonna be in the Market for what youre selling.
I agree with everything this reply says. I have the Same experience. Sometimes you can be on your A game and never even get the time of day. Then you could be sucking hard and meet the Love of your life.
The Idea one can get 100% of the girls was a belief that kept my Game Back for a Long Time.
[–]osavpoiss 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Believe me.. guys make FCK tons of mistakes that you would assume they don't.
Also, it doesn't take care of itself.. if it did there wouldn't be a need for this sub...
For some it comes naturally to be sociable and flirty.. so it comes 'natural' for them, for others it's like fcking nuclear science.
I agree that it's important to get as many approaches under your belt as possible to get experience but if someone does 1k approaches and never learns from his mistakes it's just self torture.
I would rather ask the OP if he has any more details to give us.. was the vibe good in the interactions.. was the conversation free flowing and natural feeling, was it flirty etc or was it forced and awkward, really short?
For the conversation part I can suggest OP to read this guide - it has a chapter about how to keep the interactions going longer by lowering your filters and free associating in your conversations.
Anyways, good luck OP and give us some more deatials so we could provide you with better direction ;)
[–]thecultmachine 9 points10 points11 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Dude, you are a G!! Youre building your skills and doing what 99% of Guys never do.
Don't Look at it as 0 of 6. Youre a valuable commodity. You weeded out 6 women with whom you cant Market to. Youre gave them the opportunity to be with a cool, fun guy. Who actually has a pair of testicles to go after what he wants while 99 percent of the other wimps hide behind their tinder profile desperately hoping she'll like him. Putting all the Balls im her court.
For me its 6 Out of 6. You weeded out the people you know you shouldnt waste your precious time with. Your time is precious.
Youre a fucking Rockstar.
[–]itsthechamp2022 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Thank you I appreciate that, I look forward to getting back out there. My goal is to be able to approach any girl I want with no hesitation. I’ve had a lot of good interactions and some where girls just don’t want to be bothered but I won’t let that stop me from approaching the next girl.
[–]ballsofsteel2704 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
U are coping too hard man
[–]No-Department6252 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
agree
[–]thecultmachine 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You need to change the scorecard from "did I get a number" to "was I having a good time?"
Side Note: of course you still have to be closing and following Basic principles. But youll never have perfect Game, nobody has perfect game.
[–]Marshcatguy3 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Good vibes bro
[–]Schuhsuppe 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
What does 0 to 6 mean?
[–]zollokb 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
0 for 6 means out of the 6 interactions, 0 ended in anything further i.e. phone number
[+][deleted] -7 points-6 points-5 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Numbers 100% do not count, what would count is sleeping with one of them.
Maybe a half point for kissing first day.
[–]LawfulnessLow7794 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
So how do you do it? Like what do you say? From start to end..
[–]itsthechamp2022 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (5 children) | Copy Link
I’m very direct with my approach and I tell her she’s beautiful so she knows why I’m approaching her. I keep the conversation present to what’s going on right now at this moment. I believe direct approach is the best approach it just wasn’t my day in terms of tangible results. But with each approach I gain confidence for the next even when rejected.
[–]Pluglord 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
A lot of people advise against giving compliments like “you’re beautiful “.
[–]epimpstyle 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Direct approach is very good only if you look good (above average) because the girl must decide in a very short time frame if she likes you or not. The girls like your attitude by going with a direct approach but it is not enough, you also must look good.
By going indirect the girl has no idea what happens and after a short dialog you have the chance to show her that you are funny / cool so .... you got the idea... Go indirect because it is easier for beginners.
[–]LawfulnessLow7794 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Yes, first impressions are formed within just 5-7s
[–]Moderatorrecyclablebanthas 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
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I’m very direct with my approach and I tell her she’s beautiful....
I'm going to go on a limb here and assume that you don't want to stick your dick in crazy and don't want to get involved with people who suck. You have standards beyond someone's appearance: because your time is worth something, right?
So the idea that you're being "direct" is kind of getting ahead of yourself.
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so she knows why I’m approaching her.....
Couple things here:
If you want to present yourself as thinking with your balls, then that is fine, although this will screen out a lot of people, many of which might actually be interested in casual sex, because it can come off as desperate.
You don't need to explain why you're approaching.
If you are opening based on the situation, there's no explanation needed because the opener will be relevant.
Compliment openers can go off the rails unless you're already advanced enough to get laid when you want.
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I keep the conversation present to what’s going on right now at this moment.
This is solid though. Talking about what's happening in the moment is generally good.
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I believe direct approach is the best approach....
Selection is a social interaction which requires awareness of where the other person is at. We have core concepts like calibration and building comfort which speak to this need.
The main issue with taking the idea of a direct approach to far is if one might get too focused on what they want, without enough attention paid to the person on the other side of the equation.
[–]AelfredRex 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Confidence gained from failure. The PUA Way. Keep on failing.
[–]JacobMoogberg69 -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Are you calibrating? Do the women you are approaching look like they are into their phone, hunched over, or look like they are waiting for someone and don't want to be bothered? Or do they look around and have an open body language which tells you they are looking for someone to make them hot and bothered.
[–]itsthechamp2022 3 points4 points5 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I don’t care if they want to be bothered or not, if I’m attracted to her I’m talking to her. Sometimes pple look like their so busy but there really not.
[–]JacobMoogberg69 10 points11 points12 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And then you wonder why you get rejected.
[–]bufffrog 7 points8 points9 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He doesn't wonder, he just keeps going
[–]loofyd -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
is there a good post on this sub regarding calibration ?
if not, can you make one to guide beginners ?
[–][deleted] -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
You can bag NYC girls at clubs so easily stop doing this cold approach horseshit
[–]dinoh 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So true. I transitioned to night game a few weeks ago and every week has been a success. For some reason, Wednesday nights in NYC have been working quite well haha
[–]norwegiandoggo -4 points-3 points-2 points 4 years ago (11 children) | Copy Link
Try to learn from it. Don't miss out on the learning or you'll soon be 0 for 100. What could you have done differently?
[–]earsurgery9 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (10 children) | Copy Link
unless one is being super weird, the rejection is out of their control. There's usually nothing to ''learn''. A different approach angle or cold reads or a pushpull line wouldn't have cut any ice with a girl who simply wasn't attracted to you
[–][deleted] 4 points5 points6 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Even hot dudes get shot down. So yeah, doesn't always matter.
[–]thecultmachine 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Amen!!!!
[–]norwegiandoggo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (7 children) | Copy Link
Do you think that game / developing social skills related to hitting on someone doesn't exist?
[–]earsurgery9 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (6 children) | Copy Link
it exists, but the bar is super super low. If you approach a girl who is into you, you literally just need to ask her some questions, and show some intent. You can even do it super basic so literally tell her you think she's pretty and lead her around and physically touch her more and more. Or you can go all PUA and use pushpull lines instead. The outcome is the same
If you open a girl who isn't attracted to you and you are not her type, you can't game your way into her underwear. This is proven again and again, even in infields. One can't negotiate attraction. But assuming there IS attraction, the 'skill' element is 'don't be super weird'. Do some people need to 'learn' that? Maybe. A tiny percentage
[–]norwegiandoggo -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
While I agree somewhat with what you're saying, you're making several wrong assumptions. If you get rejected doing a cold approach, this is usually for reasons that have nothing to do with attraction. Women don't typically make a decision whether they're attracted to you in the first few seconds of talking to you. They first evaluate you as a potential threat / creep / someone who wants to sell them something, steal something, rape or kill them. Because in many settings, being approached by a stranger is downright weird and unusual. Only if you pass that hurdle and consider you to not be a threat will they begin the evaluation regarding if they find you attractive. Most guys who try cold approaching get rejected within the first 10 seconds because the woman has decided he's a potential threat and not because she didn't find him attractive. This means, there's plenty of things most men can do to improve their approaches. Not only what they say, but who they choose to approach, and in what setting they're approaching women. If you approach a woman on the street you will have a much lower chance of success than if you approach a woman at a housewarming party with 30 participants. Just as an example. And this success of the approach has again, almost nothing to do with attraction. Remember the point of the approach / open is to open. That's it. To start a back and forth conversation. The point of appoaching is not to create attraction. If you can't approach successfully, it typically means you were deemed to be a threat. It was usually not an evaluation of your attractiveness level. After all, you're not really hitting on someone during the approach / open unless you go super direct. You're just starting a conversation.
[–]ladymicheee 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
Women don't typically make a decision whether they're attracted to you in the first few seconds of talking to you
We kind of do. We have eyes. We can't help it. I know if i'm not attracted to someone in way less than 10 seconds
[–]norwegiandoggo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago* (3 children) | Copy Link
That's not why you reject a stranger from talking to you. You reject that stranger because he's creepy and weird for approaching you out of nowhere in a non-social setting. Even if a guy isn't attractive you would talk to him at a party if he approached you. The approach would be successful, he just wouldn't get any further. We're just talking about approaching here. If an attractive guy approached you in a weird, unusual setting or way, you wouldn't give him the time or maybe you would. But chances are you would just find him creepy even if he's handsome. See where I'm going with this? You take the first seconds to evaluate if he's a threat. And then the second step is if he's handsome. This is how the human brain works. If it takes 5 seconds or 10 seconds I couldn't care less. But this is the order of operations. If a guy is a potential murderer walking behind you, you don't stop and think "oh, he's a handsome threat" you think "fuck I need to get outta here".
[–]ladymicheee 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I guess it depends on the setting and stuff. If a guy walks up to me in a bar I know that he's hitting on me. Even if he doesn't verbalise it. Depending on my mood, I might be slightly short with my replies etc as I don't want to encourage him (assuming he's not my type). I do try to be polite in general and will at least respond to basically anyone in most settings though. But we try to be careful not to be too friendly and give some guys the wrong idea
[–]norwegiandoggo 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
Yeah exactly..that's my point. Setting is one of the huge things that matter a lot..along with who you decide to approach. If you want to be left alone at the bar, you would probably stick close to your friends and not look at any guys but focus on your friends. But if you wanted to be approached you might linger along the outskirts of your group and try to make eye contact with some guys. Correct? My point is setting and who you approach matters. Approaching a girl at a bar is socially accepted. It's not creepy in itself unless you do it in a creepy way. But approaching a girl at a bus stop or on her way to work, that's more weird and potentially creepy in itself unless he can really smooth it over with social skills.
[–]ladymicheee 1 point2 points3 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Correct?
pretty much.
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[–]eyesopen1111 -5 points-4 points-3 points 4 years ago (4 children) | Copy Link
This is yet another perfect example of why I say that cold approach pickup is an advanced technique. How many novices getting insta-rejected will it take before people on this subreddit get the message that cold approach is too advanced for novices to do effectively?
Listen, cold approaches of girls in public by uncool novices has given cold approach pickup a bad name and makes women uncomfortable. It is also not a good way to improve your game as a seducer.
There's a lot you can do to improve your chances, so read, study and practice more game.
[–]constructioncity 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
he probably just happened to open girls who weren't attracted to him. Nothing he could do about that. (unless one waits for IOI's instead)
[–]thecultmachine 2 points3 points4 points 4 years ago* (1 child) | Copy Link
Exactly! Even if His approach is A++ status, hes not gonna get every Girl.
Even the best salesman in the world cant sell His product to everybody. If Elon Musk Came Up to you in the street and tried to sell you his Rocket for 200 million you couldnt buy it. Cause you cant afford it. Now is that a rejection?
[–]eyesopen1111 -2 points-1 points0 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP admittedly went 0 for 6, with 100% rejection. This isn’t a case where “getting every girl” is even a part of the conversation.
[–]eyesopen1111 -1 points0 points1 point 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OP admitted that he went 0 for 6, making for a 100% rejection rate. And, yes, I advise waiting for IOI’s, which you know about and know that he should be doing.
Why isn’t anyone else telling OP the truth?! Getting shot down is not helping his game or building the skills he needs.
[–]Rivale 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I wouldn’t try to blame women for anything. You are responsible for creating the chemistry and the connection. If you want a non-game book to read that shows this it’s the dichotomy of leadership by Jocko Willink. You can go 1/100 or 1/1000 in approaches, that 1 could be totally worth it.
[–]recursivePasta 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
OK no this is not a numbers game, it is because you suck, and I suck too. That's why its a numbers game, when somehow we didnt suck on the 20th approach of that day, we get result.
Now you need structure, london daygame model will change everything, go read it up. It's the core of my game now.
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