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I have trouble believing you actually believe the things you profess. Have you much experience with women or...?

A lot of your comments are contradictory, self-congratulatory, and I could stop there and assume you are embellishing a lot. But there's also another thing I've observed over time: your angle is thoroughly self-centered. Having been told that I possess this trait myself (I'm a very "self interested" person who thinks in desires/goals, but rarely the social/empathic aspect) if I might make some assumptions, this quality tends to be pretty obvious to others, and it's almost always unattractive to women.

So to me, something about your comments suggests a pattern of dishonesty--for what reason, I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong.

Prove me wrong somehow? I'd like to be wrong and think you really know what you're talking about, here. But I have doubts man

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Location dependent.

Time dependent.

2:30pm on a Tuesday is a lot different than Thursday at 6pm.

Depends on the day, rare occasions there's no girls, other times you can hit on 10 in one store.

I love indoor daygame.

The weather is always perfect.. not too hot, not too cold.

It's always sunny inside..

Open 7 days a week..

There's usually 3-5 stores in one small area..

I just go hit up 4-5 stores in one session, sometimes doing them all twice.. do them all, a few hours later, start back at the first store.

All new girls..

Grab 10-20+ numbers.

Work those leads over the next week or so..

Sleep with 2-5+ girls over the next 7 days.

Repeat every week.

That's how almost anyone in this sub can sleep with 50-100+ girls a year - if they were so inclined.

Daygame is so simple.

Game is simple.

Learn good game + take massive action = more girls than you can handle.

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Gotta be honest man I doubt you have 1000 lays thats rare

But As a man who does a fuckton of daygame, your approach to it seems sound, and if you do between 20-30 approaches 5x days per week 2-5 lays per week do seem practical... maybe you have slept with 1000 women

I’ve never structured my sessions like that. I would do it 1 to 2x per week and hit 3 stores per session. Usually high end I would approach 15 women per session come away with 10 numbers.

I would stay in the store for roughly 10-15min max if there were no women.

I live in a smaller city 100k too so it’s easy to burn out. Actually I have burned out my city for a short period of time

But I’ll take that challenge. I’m taking a vacay to Orlando next week I’m going to approach 33 women at a few stores, and I’m going to see exactly what happens, shit maybe it’ll entice me to move to a bigger city

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Gotta be honest man I doubt you have 1000 lays >

It's a simple math equation..

Seems we both can agree that if you're getting 20 new numbers/contacts/leads a week..

And a person has..

Their style an appearance on point..

Great conversational and flirting skills

Great texting framework..

And closing (having sex) on 95%+ on all dates .. (95%+ because I only meet girls straight to my place - rarely if ever do I do public dates)

That sleeping with 2 new girls a week is fairly simple?

Right?

Well, that's 100 girls a year, right?

I've been in Game for 10+ years.

Simple math..

100+ lays per year average x 10+ years = 1,000+ lays.

But anyone who's good at game with a minimum of 100+ lifetime lays can see that with all the above..

100+ lays a year would be pretty easy to accomplish..

And in fact, only 100 lays a year isn't even that good..

And 200-300+ lays per year, is entirely possible..

If one had the time and motivation to make it happen.

One could go out 3x a week, get 40-50 new leads a week, even if you're game isn't as good as mine and you only sleep with 10% of those leads, that's sex with 4-5 new girls a week x 50 weeks, that's 200-250 new girls a year.

Read that again.. that's sex with 200-250 new girls in ONE YEAR

Game is just like business..

Having a great product..

Have lots of new leads coming in..

Have a great funnel..

Have a reliable way to close the leads..

That equals a highly profitable business / Sex Life on steroids.

As far as my 1,000+ lifetime lays..

Doubt me if you wish..

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Not sure if you saw my long comment.. in this thread or not..

But I like long daygame sessions.. that's just me.

I'll go hit up 4-5-6+ stores..

Sometimes do the same store back to back, before leaving.. basically two loops around the store.

Walmart or other stores with lots of people is good for this.. or even on a weekend or other busy time.

Finish all 4-5-6+ stores..

Then go back and do them all over again.

The will give me 20 numbers as a rough average..

Sometimes 10, sometimes 30+

Say 20 numbers..

Work those 20 numbers over the next week..

As everyone knows.. well or at least guys who know game, know the odds of meeting after a week, go way, way down.

With those 20 numbers..

That's 2-5, sometimes 10+ lays in one week.

10 lays isn't normal..

But it does happen IF you have all aspects of game on POINT.

But worst case, even if you only close 10% of your leads..

Which is not very good..

That's 2 lays.

Worst case, you suck at game type numbers.

But you really should be closing at least 20% of your leads..

Then you should be banging 4 girls for just one half day of daygame.

I get so many haters commenting.. this is all bullshit.

It's not.. it's common sense + simple math.

Good game + taking Massive Action = Too many girls to handle

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Like sunshine said 10 out 15 isn’t typical, and I have a ton of daygame experience. But I know what to look for and I can tell by voice inflection body language, eye contact whether or not a woman is interested.

Side note the body language part is not choosing signals, it’s after I opened her, and we start talking and how she’s responding to me

Those 15 usually don’t include the women who I approached and just weren’t interested. From the jump

Those 15 are like good interactions then at the end of the conversation when you go for the number to set up the date she says, I’m not interested. Or I’m in a relationship

Based off my experience and knowing how to sexualize the conversation, as well as show normality I can number close a good amount of the time now, not in the past when I first started. How much of those #s respond or turn Into dates? Not many maybe around 5-7%, but typically about half would respond to my initial text...

My personal weakest part of my game is text game so a lot of the leads fall through the cracks

And also like sunshine said numbers go stale after a week.

So no 66% number close isn’t my overall,

It’s lower. With my next 100 I’ll give you an accurate #

But honestly his approach to daygame seems to be the best way to increase your skill.

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To play Devil's Advocate here... is this how you actually look at things? You know this "objective" attitude tends to be quite off-putting and a lot of women don't like to be approached by guys they haven't previously met, or when they're out running errands, etc.

I am however NOT saying men should not approach--really I be wondering how far a guy can get, if he has an objective attitude like this. I have trouble with the whole dichotomy, myself. And don't like to cause needless discomfort to others.

If I had the balls the approach or otherwise any reason to think decent women be interested, I probably would have done so by now, rather than being locked in limbo for years as the odds of success keep going down with advancing age. But as it happens I've never been able to justify the effort. None of the suggested avenues seem to work with my circumstances--not "night game" and not day game, or online game, or whatever else is out there.

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[–]RachmaninoffFan69420 0 points1 point2 points 4 years ago (9 children) | Copy Link

You saying you're locked in limbo for years just shows you just don't want it bad enough, and feel like you have more time. Subconsciously or deep down.

Girls like to be approached generally, if it's an attractive guy whos interesting doing it. Which is not hard to be, any human can get to that point. If they're busy as fuck and have a hectic day sure, they might be annoyed approaching even if you're adonis, but, it's not a personal problem.

Do you see how this works? Are you afraid of your ego being hurt because of rejection? Would you take it personally if one female out of 4 billion turned you down? If this is the case. Just keep working on yourself.

Online game is easy, it relies mostly on physical attractiveness/overall vibe your profile gives off. E.g. say you are into gamer girls, if you put a lot of gaming shit related to it and you're good at games, you might get a good bit of gaming girl matches. But, it kind of disqualifies you from other categories of girls, with this in mind. You should be able to have success with online, it's actually shocking how some men can't have success on online dating. Think WHY YOU'RE ON online dating, a majority of the girls (some just use it to improve their status as low to mid level ig influencers), are there to just get fucked. So be the guy to fuck them... It's not that deep

Daygame is the most skillful, but relies less on attractiveness. It's mostly reliant on posture, how you carry yourself overall, and words. But keep it simple.

Night game is basically a number games, and physical attractiveness can score you some effortless puss, but, most of it comes from just going out a lot and meeting people, having good social credit from meeting people, and then just talking to a lot of girls. Then eventually closing..

I find this to be much more difficult and, you also have to like going out for night game to work well. Night game is probably where most people have success..

If I were you, just focus on yourself maxing aspects about yourself to increase overall vibe and attractiveness for online, which in turn helps with day game. Then, if you want to do day game, just approach a cute girl and say hey I love that brand of milk at grocery (or whatever), it doesn't fucking matter. It's just how you say it! Really, don't think intonation purely. But, overall HOW you say it. If you calmly mutter (hehe i love that brand of milk w/o making eyecontact thats an L), or if you say something interesting socially lubricate your sentence be like (ahhh of course you're a oberweis girl while making good eye contact), or some shit like that. Then you will be getting a 100% different response..

It's not that hard, if you can't get pussy after reading this comment.

A) you don't want it bad enough

B) you're not intelligent enough, and not deserving if you do want it bad enough.

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You're being a jerk, with that last sentence there.

YES I understand literally everything you said and have understood these simple guides (which probably work often enough, for the guys who really put in the effort) for years.

Although I could try and be brutally honest with myself and agree to your "you may not be intelligent enough" comment in a roundabout way, because I am autistic and far from STEM caliber--so in a sense your comment works. Because many autistic men often report feeling "socially slow" and conversationally stiff, without wits to draw upon, and hence too awkward to merit approaching women--check, right here. Also, something like 1 in 3 autistic men are said to be dateless virgins for their entire life. I am certainly heading there, since I'm far from young now, it begins to look very likely I'll be alone without intimacy for good.

So I don't know, you tell me, man. I can tell you for certain, my problem is with justifying the effort--but that itself is based on embarrassing personal circumstances, I'm not young anymore and haven't been able to lead even a semi-normal life. So it's not as if any woman would have a reason to say "yes" whatever my intention would be.

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I'm autistic as well, don't use it as a cope.

I got lucky and was in a good environment, and was just always able to be funny. I still struggle socially in some fundamental ways, my eye contact and little body language shit can be improved for sure.

But, I promise you autism could be a self defeating mindset, because you think you are unable to socialize well, you really are and then it causes I guess awkwardness or nervousness...

The only way to fix it is two ways.

exposure therapy and actually wanting it bad enough
being lucky enough to be in a good environment, or have someone save you and get you the right confidence (friends gf etc.)

I've done both, so I don't really struggle too much with women. I'm decently attractive too so that helps, but, if you're not ugly as fuck (which most humans aren't), you should be able ot put in the work for yourself.

But, don't give a fuck about the results and embarassment, and just don't take it personal. Who gives a fuck if a random person thinks you're cringe or whatever, have more confidence within..

Perfect example, was yesterday, I basically lost my car like a complete retard. I parked in a parking garage for like 4 days and forgot about it, had an exam at 630 and I was tweaking. Some girl I saw in the parking garage, I essentially approached (she kind of rolled her window down to ask me for help), I shittily asked for a car ride basically (but I was being genuine, didn't even wanna hu w/ her or anything, just wanted to get to parking garage so I can take my exam and just have solace I found my car). She's like really weird in conversation or kind of like condescending, and then I ask for a quick ride and she goes no I don't feel comfortable. I was like say bet, IDC it's all good, and walked away.

In my head I was a bit pissed at her in the moment, cuz we live in same apartment building and it's a nice one so like I wasn't being sketchy or anything. But, in the past or I could see how like this denial or like just embarassment for asking for a ride when you're down bad and get rejected. It sucks, and I thought she was a dumb bitch tbh for not giving me a ride because, I genuinely have good intentions, just wanted to figure out where my car was..

Point is, from this situation I could be like resentful and get down on myself.. She didn't give me ride because I may have fumbled speaking a bit or was a bit nervous, just tweaky vibes because I was shook about my car. I could get down on myself for being like fuck, I'm such anb embarassment why would I even ask... Or, I could not take it personally at all. Not give a fuck she didn't give me a ride, and think it's her problem because if she did maybe I'd be able to get to know her a bit and smash give her that good dick cha feel??

That is the mindset you have to have, you bascially have to gaslight yourself and not take stuff too serious. What you're doing, is just taking everything too personal and serious in a egotistical way (even if its not intended). You need to just stop caring so much, because you're smart enough to think this deeply about social interactions, understand you have to power to just not care and not let other peoples perceptions define you.

GL

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I agree entirely, but I'm still a highly abnormal loser, y'know. Also probably cannot do much to change that now, after all this time and basically social atrophy. So it's like--what good is the advice, in this particular endeavor of finding good woman. It's "better living" advice for me, the kind of thing I'm aware I need more of... but that's not much help to find woman, given who I am, and their expectations.

It sounds like you're a bright/gifted young guy who was either forced to conform, or you somehow pushed yourself to assimilate in the world the way one is supposed to at your age group--if the latter, it must be because you're much higher functioning than me. I mean I've got legit ADD and some learning quirks along with my autism, I'm far from the sharpest tool. Not to mention I was never forced to conform, I suppose I did the easy (pathetic?) thing and just kept to my neurotic routines and that's what my life became entirely.

Obviously since I'm here and talking about this, it's clear staying dateless virgin for my entire life is not what I want, but it may be the reality unless I want to pay (not my thing) or find the kind of person folks have said "would be on my level" and accept that thing where both of us are only there "because no one else could possibly say yes"... to be honest I think most individuals wouldn't want that arrangement, if they actually thought about it. There are exceptions, but I must be honest and say I'm not like that. Maybe I'm a bit too vain for my own "bottom drawer" status, but then... to lose all vanity? Not always a good thing.

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I typed a huge essay to this. Somehow put down 2k words in about 20ish minutes lmfao.

https://textbin.net/ghx0wmirtk

^{^} I'd copy it into a google doc or notepad. That website might be a bit aids to read off it.

It's somewhat scattered writing, but, there is a lot of wisdom in it. If you read it a bunch, start talking to people everyday (make an effort to go on walks, go outside daily), read HTWFAIP (how to win friends...), and start thinking with a more confident frame of mind. You will be fine...

Start improving your fashion, exercise, self in all ways as well obviously too. This will help with the confidence, then force you in more social interactions...

Also, I have a really social family. So that's another thing that's helped my upbringing, if you have any uncles or fam members who you can tell are really social. Try and mirror off their behaviors, or just understand them..

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Appreciate the long reply in the link but I don't have the focus tonight to really absorb it and get back to you. I'm going to gloss over it for now and come back and tell you what I think, sometime soon, though. For now a bit more background info tho...

I still think you're miles ahead of me when I was your age, and this is likely down to your being either gifted or higher functioning, some combination maybe. A social family environment may have helped--I never had that.

Anyhoo, what you suggest in your essay may not translate or maybe can't be used--some things may not cross between different functional levels. Equally, I think I'm no less than 15 years older than you, so at this point in time it's not only about one's "presentation" and effort toward meeting women, it's also the "can he provide? is he a 'winner' in society?" and all that just to clear the first hurdle.

So maybe at this point you're rethinking whatever effort you spent there or perhaps admitting to yourself that some autistics are better equipped for The Game than others. Perhaps this latter insight is something you haven't thought of, before. It is a common oversight, I think.

I'll still come back to this later after reading what you said, but now you have a better conception of the odds of success for a guy like this--I've always found the odds to be too low to justify the effort, hard to think I would somehow justify it at this late point.

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yeah your perspective was insightful..

Being older is also a bitch, and if you're at that point the best way to abuse autism is in Elon Musk-esque way (if he is really autistic, and I'm not even the biggest fan)..

But, if you're at a point where you think learning social skills is too far gone. Then just ignore women, abuse your autism in whatever you're interested in, and if that thing can get you to a point where you can make good $ from it and provide or whatever just do it off that...

But, yeah being older makes things rough. But, if you're attractive and in a decent shape, I think anything is possible. You have to realize, for a lot of these young girls in college towns especially, if a guy who is seemingly sure of themselves who is older hits on them or something, it's a wet dream. So, I wouldn't let it get in your head too much...

I think you bring up a great point though about there being a disconnect in my advice for you, if only you were younger... But, like I said, I don't know if age is the best excuse.

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Being older is also a bitch, and if you're at that point the best way to abuse autism is in Elon Musk-esque way (if he is really autistic, and I'm not even the biggest fan)..

Certainly bringing up that guy doesn't inspire more faith in what you have to say, nor the assumptions (even if you're exaggerating) that come with it.

Maybe you didn't get the point about functional level, then?

You're either misinformed about this stuff or have the idea that anyone who is autistic can do you what you can... it seems like you're gifted and have most executive capacity intact, which is luckier than most. Or maybe you think that anyone on the spectrum could achieve a lucrative position because they all have that trademarked focus/intellect. It doesn't work like that, man.

It doesn't even work like that for most of the folks you would call Asperger's today, if we're going by the technical definition, being average IQ and above, fully verbal, appears relatively normal. I tick all those boxes and so do most others with mild autism, but it doesn't mean any given one, with just more effort, could become "next level" at something--at best what you would say is, maybe the "next level" is possible, but to become lucrative is another matter entirely and as you can see from the studies, that's pretty uncommon for most on the spectrum, man.

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As far as convo goes, I open all of my sets direct

Hey thought you were cute had to come over and meet you before I continued shopping, I’m flatearth (always say this loud enough with super direct eye contact and a sexual smirk)

Side note: I don’t think direct openers are the best way to get a woman attracted or get her#

Why? Because it puts her on the spot she doesn’t have enough information except looks and confidence to go off of to give you a chance (and I usually dress somewhat shitty)

So what I recommend and what I do when the opportunity arise is indirect, no not like asking for direction or time but like this for example.

Hot milf 8.5 mixed c-cups wide hips pretty face. Holding chips, in chip aisle (this was an actual convo)

Me: oh looks like we’re making sandwiches and chips tonight

Her: yea me and my kids lazy night blah blah

Me: Those are cool but these right here (me grabbing bag) is the way better choice and you seem like a woman... who could blah blah blah basically flirting a little

Her: her actually I love those

Me cool: I’ll make sure I bring these on our first date

Her: keep eye contact smirk and laugh

Me I’m flatearth btw

Her: I’m Sheila

Usually the opportunity isn’t there or I’m just being lazy so I’ll just go direct.

As far as the body of the convo goes I try to remember 2 things. 1. Make slightly sexual remarks to break the get to know you talk and 2. to close correctly she needs to know why you have her #

Sexual remarks:

I do a lot of cold reads during the initial part of the conversation.

Ex. i see the way you look around and you nails are short you remind me of a nurse, if she want to talk to you she’ll say yes or no then

You basically continue the conversation with word association. But make sure at this moment to dhv yourself with something you do that is cool.

Sidenote: I always say nurse for my cold reads because most of the baddies are

Also for you dhv: If you don’t do shit, or work a shitty job be vague. (I suggest writing some shit to say especially if you don’t have a good job or are currently unemployed)

They always ask so what do you do? Especially if they are interested. Get ahead of that by thinking of responses ahead of time.

Make sure you say sexual remarks for ex. Last girl I approached in Walmart had a hat that said daddy on it. At the beginning I told her my name but she could call me daddy.

If you think of a sexual joke midway through say it. It shows your a sexual person and it breaks monotonous conversation.

Closing. I always say when are you free we should grab some wine together.

Here what’s your number.

I have her tell me the days she’s free then I set a date with her right on the spot. (To be fair because she is in that moment if your text game isn’t on point she won’t honor it. So now I still suggest wine. But I say we’ll set a date later)

Side note: when I get her number, I always have her put her number and name in my phone, (I give her my phone), then I say do you remember my name, they usually don’t. Then I give them some shit for it reintroduce myself again, and if I feel they are submissive which most of them are I’ll say say my name, they’ll and I’ll say this time don’t forget it.

After I get her number, I usually talk about 1 or 2 more minutes then say I got to go. Give her a hug then leave. And say I’ll text you my name.

That’s it.

Do I fuck most of them no.

Are most of the bad 8-9-10s (I don’t believe 10s exist I consider ravie Loso, and uchemba, 9.6s) they are mostly 8s. With an occasional 9. Walmart be having some baddies

Have I fucked and dated more than my fair share yes I have.

More side notes: I try to be empathetic...

Ex I see a mom with her kids, I say hey I know your with your kids but I had to come over and say something before I left: but I find you stunning. I’m flatearth.

I try to read the body language. If I approach her and she’s looking around after my initial open or if I reach my hand out and she doesn’t shake it. I’ll either dismiss myself or If I find her attractive, and think she might just be shy, I’ll say if you want me to fuck off it’s not an issue I can just leave, it’s no big deal (remember don’t say it in a butthurt way) If she say no it’s ok I’ll keep talking. If she still looking around after saying it’s ok, I’ll dismiss my self

Touch I alway find an excuse or reason to touch the hand hair ear or arm. Usually it’s a tattoo mid conversation be like: that’s a cool tattoo let me see that (I’ll touch it) and talk about

If it’s an obvious tattoo I’ll cold read on it, if it’s something vague I’ll let her tell me what it’s about

Ok that a lot but that my Walmart daygame approach strat.

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Upvotes	22
Comments	69
Date	September 26, 2021 9:43 PM UTC (4 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
Original Link	https://old.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/pw3222/deleted_by_user/
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