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[–]ColonelKurtzPhD 28 points29 points30 points 13 years ago (14 children) | Copy Link
I have to say that I found him to be pretty bad. I know why most people would think it's great (confidence, outcome independent, etc etc) but he was not smooth at all. Most prominently, There were several moments where he was milliseconds away from an awkward silence, and he disqualified himself way too much while making the exchange too serious. He literally begs for their attention!
All of this IMHO, but again, I really would just give a 6/10 to this one.
She is indeed way better than him :P
Just a quick example of a much better approach: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kA1-BI5V5A
[–][deleted] 5 points6 points7 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
He seems nervous. He keeps interrupting her, fumbling over words, and he's shielding with his arm. Let this be a lesson guys, keep your arms at your side. Then he goes back to the complement as if he's got nothing else to say. She wants to talk game dude just roll with it.
[–]AwkwardUnicorn 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Also
[–]justthrowmeout 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Confidence? Are you kidding? This guy was terrified! I haven't seen such a nervous bumbling since I was a teenager.
[–]HelloHiHello-1 points 13 years ago* [recovered] (9 children) | Copy Link
To anyone who thinks this guy is bad –
THIS IS THE REAL WORLD.
Pick-up is NOT SMOOTH. It is, sometimes, when the stars align. Then it's smooth.
And if you think he's bad, YOU'RE FOCUSING ON WHAT HE'S SAYING.
THIS DOESN'T MEAN SHIT TO WOMEN!
Check out what he does after he asks for the numbers (which he did in a "disqualifying" way, BUT IT DIDN'T MATTER.)
He asks for the number, then SHUTS THE FUCK UP.
He says NOTHING.
Awkward silence is good! If you ever want to get good at this, you have to be able to own awkward silence. Women will do almost anything to get out of an awkward situation. This is because awkward silence builds sexual tension – DURING SILENCE, THESE WOMEN REALIZE THEY'RE ACTUALLY ATTRACTED TO YOU.
And no, these girls don't have a CLUE about what the guy is actually doing, because it has nothing to do with what he's saying! So while she's tutoring him, he's maintaining eye contact, and shutting the fuck up. AND IT'S WORKING.
In other words, doing exactly what he should be doing!
I would give this one a 10/10, BECAUSE IT'S REAL WORLD.
If you think pick-up is smooth, get out of the game. If you think game is smooth, get out of the game. If you think you can get good at this without ripping your entire soul in half due to rejection, then rebuilding it while simultaneously molding your reality to new rules you've created, GET OUT OF THE GAME.
[–][deleted] 7 points8 points9 points 13 years ago* (2 children) | Copy Link
I completely disagree. Read my reply here. You don't have to be smooth but he does fuck a lot of things up.
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He does end up with a number but it could also be because she did not want to say no in front of the camera and he did offer them a bunch of youtube views etc. Have you every observed a nightclub photographer being given napkins with numbers and emails and him handing out cards left, right and centre? It's because chicks want to see their pics, not because they want to bang him.
[+]HelloHiHello -6 points-5 points-4 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
So?
[–]ColonelKurtzPhD 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So the number will flake, hence the whole effort is useless when it comes to seduction. Hopefully he befriends her tho!
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (3 children) | Copy Link
Meh. Maybe not good real world game. Once you go out and daygme a bit moving past the "your really super cute " opening line is probably for the best. It's not really that good. He's okay. It's a boring set, he doesn't play the dynamics well. It's just a textbook noobie set litterally ripped from any site. see girl, say beautiful had to approach, ask number
[–]HelloHiHello 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
It's not the opener I would use, but once again, it doesn't matter what you say.
I respectfully disagree as far as it being textbook noobie goes.
[–][deleted] 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He didnt say it well though either, tonality was 4/10 at best, initiative was minimully created there was no physicality or sexual intent. He 100% disqualified himself and they STILL were extremely reticent to give out a number even after he was saying he had no intent of sleeping with them. Considering they were also both promoters and how uncomfortable they looked it was really a 3/10 approach at best.
Agreed, good points.
[–]ColonelKurtzPhD 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Chill man, you need to get laid :D
[–]puntingbaxter -1 points0 points1 point 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Completely agree
Most people here think they are the best, it's an internet thing.
He got the number...
[–]Attila_TheHipster 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
CRIIIIIINGE.
The tone of his voice... SO unnatural. Also: DLV about the youtube w/e
Right man this guy was just terrible watch. This was like an example of everything not to do.
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[–]IAMTHEDEATHMACHINE 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
And dat voice on the white girl. Raspy.
[–]glassuser 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
She smokes. And if she smokes, she pokes.
[–][deleted] 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
The part where she finishes explaining how he failed, and he continues to plow anyway is cringy :S...props though for his ending though. Wow.
[–]PLplotsOTS 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Brilliant recovery. Watch from the beginning. Some thoughts:
Both girls may or may not have boyfriends, but either way, the "we have boyfriends" line was just a handy excuse.
Should he have been so adamant about getting their numbers? I don't think he should have been so confrontational. He could have progressed much more naturally to a # close at the end. On the other hand, his approach did allow him to use the "just friends" disqualifier.
Daniela (the blonde) is right, Vitaly does have a great personality (based on this video). His attitude is solid as a rock but lightly humorous.
From her body language, it was clear Melanie wasn't interested. She leaves the middle position in favor of Daniela's side, walks away at one point, and otherwise stands still while Daniela sways animatedly. I'd like to know at what point Vitaly chose Daniela as his target. Was it a reaction to their reactions, or did it just work out for him?
[–]MrSomethingHeroic 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
So Goddam Awkward.
[–]uberafc 4 points5 points6 points 13 years ago* (5 children) | Copy Link
Watch it from the beginning guys. The part where it starts from makes it seem like this guy has shit game when in fact he didn't do badly. He also has a ton of confidence. Obviously i'm sure his looks help and the cameras help too.
[–]D3Lux 11 points12 points13 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Really? His looks? Seems pretty mediocre. Not disagreeing, though, he seems like a confident guy.
[–][deleted] 3 points4 points5 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He is just as bad from the beginning. He does not sound confident at all. He is visibly nervous. Almost stutters. Nervously breaks eye contact to look at the flyer for a second. Repeats things multiple times. Sounds uncertain. Keeps on mentioning friendship. Begs them for a date. Bribes them with lots of youtube views. Opener sounds pre-written. He get's stuck and looks for girls to break the awkwardness. Even the things he says are all wrong. "That's cute. Thank you, you are cute too." (Cringe) Too many complements. Too many "What do you...?".
Body language: Palms into the air, shrugs, moves away from girls, crosses hands on chest etc.
[–]justthrowmeout 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Call it like it is bro. If this is my competition, I weep for y'all.
[–][deleted] 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
In fact I'd say it hinders him!
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[–]glassuser 9 points10 points11 points 13 years ago (1 child) | Copy Link
He wasn't very confident, at least he didn't act it there. At least twice I caught him mumbling "nahjustkidding". I should see the rest of it, but he just seemed awkward and maladjusted.
[–]LiquidAlb 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
I agree. Those moments where he said "nahjustkidding" followed my absolutely no response by the women felt so bad, now that I know a bit on Body Language and Pick Up.
[–]LiquidAlb 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (2 children) | Copy Link
I was thinking that some people would say this, but just because he got the girls number (which, remember, took a lot of prying and quite a bit of akwardness) it doesn't mean that she will answer when he calls.
Those of you that have read The Game will recall how Style goes through a lot of "Sticking points." Getting the number of a girl as attractive as the one in the video may not be an easy thing to do if you don't know your game, but it counts for fuck all if you can not take it to the next step.
I'm not picking on your reply in particular, by the way, lol. These are simply my general thoughts after watching that video myself.
TL;DR(ish) Look closely at the details, for those of you learning The Game. Pick Up is NOT about just getting numbers nor is it just about getting a girl to like you in a nightclub, in a store, on the street, etc etc. You must be able to stay congruent the entire time you know her so that you may giver her a chance to get to know how awesome you really are.
[–]ColonelKurtzPhD 2 points3 points4 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Excellent points, particularly the last party of your post. I'm surprised these things have to still be explicitly mentioned sometimes.
[–][deleted] 1 point2 points3 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Had to see the whole video to get a perspective, and i agree, this guy seems awkward, but he did create IOIs on the blonde one, and new how to read both of the girls, to see which one was the most viable target. Not y kind of cold approach but it seems to work for this guy.
Also DAMN that blonde is hot, and seems to have a good personality too.
[–]recombined 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
Should've started the video at the beginning for context. Good game and mediocre game was mixed with a very willing subject.
[–]LiquidAlb 0 points1 point2 points 13 years ago (0 children) | Copy Link
You know, the ironic thing, is that I find this other video of his to be a MUCH better opener.
Check it out: You Have Something On You Prank!
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