Everything's so much easier for me abroad...

Big_TX · 2016-04-20T19:52:26+00:00

in a club I'm competing with Turkish guys who are so handsome they could seduce a toaster oven and make the bread finish quicker. But yet it still works out much better.

That was awesome wording haha

Well maybe you could move to a different US city than LA? People vary a lot by city and just the way the clubs are impacts the dynamics of interactions.

Also could you afford the pay cut if you don't have to live in LA? I'd imagen the cost of living would be way lower in Turky

Drogba006 · 2016-04-21T02:19:16+00:00

Patrice O'Neal had a way of putting it that likened it to Clark Kent/Superman and Krypton.

It was basically that in America which is Krypton, Superman is dealing with "kryptonian bitches" who make him feel like Clark Kent. He can jump over buildings and lift cars, but these women don't appreciate his superpowers.

Now when he leaves and goes to the rest of the world, now he's Superman to the rest of these women because they aren't entitled like American women

hombrecito89 · 2016-04-21T09:19:07+00:00

This isn't just an American thing. I live in western Europe with a similar experience. I bet the Turkish guys don't think it's so "easy" there, though I'm sure it is easier for you and me.

You need to understand that decently attractive western white guys are very highly valued by the majority of girls. It's not a conscious thing and many girls do like other ethnicities but in general it holds true. When you are the only white guy they will meet, your value skyrockets.

It's a subconscious thing and I believe it's because most of the high status, famous and wealthy people in the world are white. It is a type of subconscious discrimination but attraction is discriminatory and that is life unfortunately.

In my country guys often end up with foreign girls, especially south americans (I also much prefer foreign girls tbh). You could argue it's that people prefer the exotic. But girls here almost never end up with foreign guys. For example any girl here that sleeps with a Brazilian guy will put it down as a drunken mistake and I rarely see them getting together in clubs or dating. I will add that most Brazilian guys I meet here seem very cool, have good social skills and are just as handsome as us, but they are considered socially lower for some reason.

Another example is how nerdy white guys can get respectable Asian girls. How many nerdy male Asian exchange students end up with decent white/Asian/Black girls. Only the most confident and attractive Asians have a slim chance, whereas it really is the case that any white guy who shows interest has a great chance with a Chinese girl.

I learnt this through living with a Mexican and Chinese girl. All there friends loved me. The white girls in my country would put my at a 7 I guess and quite a lot is expected of me during the dating process, but to these girls I get treated like a prince. I couldn't believe it.

The Chinese girl I lived with had tonnes of male Chinese friends who were super nice, did stuff for her and obviously liked her but she only dated Europeans and got very butthurt when they never committed. She had a particular desire to meet Germans/Scandinavians (hint they are the wealthiest)

I recommend foreign girls particularly to guys starting out looking for experience.

Tl;dr, in seduction being white does boost your status to girls unfortunately. I think this is the elephant in the room that nobody wants to say

jimmyelgent · 2016-04-20T19:27:39+00:00

that's interesting. I hear so much stuff about how it's 50x easier to pull girls in certain countries in comparison to say the US or the UK. It is kind of depressing to think about.

BurritoHalfFull · 2016-04-21T09:19:46+00:00

Brb taking 2 weeks in 5 different countries

Hayden9955 · 2016-04-20T19:07:18+00:00

Ha- I'm in LA and it does feel that way sometimes. Planning to go to Turkey in the near future as a cousin told me about its wonders.

Send me a pm if you wanna meet up in LA sometime.

Congruenceislife · 2016-04-20T21:17:57+00:00

Think it may be cultural differences, such as its more acceptable to approach etc. I don't know never tested it. Here in the UK, girls tend to be less responsive. but having that fun, no fucks given vibe really does break them out of that habit. Perhaps its the fact you are in a different country it kind of changes your frame. for me it would definitely enfore the 'I will never have to see them ever again if it doesn't go well' frame. Who knows!

LaxBrother · 2016-04-20T23:07:11+00:00

While I do think there is some truth to what you are saying, LA is considered one of the best places to game for a reason. I actually believe that if you are good enough, you can pick up girls regardless of your location. Yes, some cities/locations can be "easier" in terms of having more women (small towns being more difficult). Generally though, women act the same at the end of the day. They all have sexual desires, and will meet them one way or another.

I believe it is important to identify the "reasons" of why you are having so much success in Turkey, and apply it to your game in the U.S. Perhaps, its an issue of entitlement and confidence, I'm not sure. However, I do know that if you can apply the things you learn from your successes and failures, you will improve and increase your likeliness to pull in the future. To do this, you must identify what you did right and wrong in your interactions, rather than blaming a country for having "less open" women. Gaming will and will always be a number's game. Some nights, girls will be dtf, other times not, sometimes it may not even be your fault that you couldn't pull. The important thing is that you learn from it and move on. Do not let your failures stifle your personality. Just laugh and move forward, don't take rejection so seriously. Once you are able to let go of all the anxieties that are stifling you in L.A., I have no doubt that you will do better. If you go in to an interaction with negativity, thinking: "oh I hope I don't fuck up" or "she's too hot for me", basically thinking anything that is not positive, you will probably do poorly in that interaction. This is because women can sense your incongruence/unconfidence, and will therefore deem you as unattractive. If you do go back to L.A., forget about the past, go in with a positive outlook, and apply what you learned in Turkey. Just remember that girls want attractive men regardless of where they are, and you are the man who they are looking for.

zink_the_sink · 2016-04-21T00:18:14+00:00

What do you do that you can just work from anywhere with a laptop?

Cyrusk4 · 2016-04-21T06:19:37+00:00

One thing I've noticed here though, guys, is I've never met a woman in Turkey who wanted to go home with you the same night. You pretty much need to date them. But dating them is not particularly hard to do.

MinxXxy · 2016-04-21T12:38:50+00:00

Yup. So true. I'm from the UK and I get so little attention here, but when I travel I hook up with some really stunning girls. I was on a 2 week holiday and I hooked up with a stunning girl from Finland, but far, far less attractive girls have no interest in me here.

Once in Santiago de Chile I started joking with a girl on a bus, and she invited me to stay with her that night. Later in the week she told me "I knew I was going to fuck you when I saw you on the bus". I think i need to go check out Turkey too!

AtheistAgnostic · 2016-04-21T14:19:03+00:00

and OP is white

Kingbarbarossa · 2016-04-21T16:31:47+00:00

I travel a lot for work and I completely agree. The US is abysmally bad for dating. It seems like nearly every where else girls are just more open to guys talking to them. The body language is just night and day different

Title	Everything's so much easier for me abroad...
Author	Cyrusk4
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Date	April 20, 2016 6:43 PM UTC (10 years ago)
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