Having trouble getting to/through A3 (Mystery Method).

backtothegame · 2012-11-06T08:02:25+00:00

Use the flake preventer, I guarantee it either causes them to bail right then or they show up:

http://www.reddit.com/r/seduction/comments/12fs7f/tested_100_success_rate_quite_possibly_the_best/

pickup_sticks · 2012-11-06T05:06:16+00:00

Can you post some of the text threads?

That said, flaking is just a fact of life that you need to get used to, especially for girls in that age range.

PUAIT · 2012-11-06T11:42:10+00:00

don't call 5 min after... just don't...

pickup_sticks · 2012-11-06T05:22:45+00:00

So after this exchange, did you call again to pick a place? What happened?

Edit to add: do you know for sure that she's single? Sometimes a girl will have a bf, but she's attracted and won't tell you. Later she starts feeling guilty and destroys all evidence of her infidelity.

To find out: Hey, I've got a questions for you. [her: yes?] What's your relationship situation?

Note that I said situation, not status. She will answer either with: single, boyfriend or "it's complicated."

I don't bother chasing girls with boyfriends though some here seem to get off on that. The "it's complicated" one is fun. You can smile and say "relationships in general are complicated. But they're also fun to talk about. What's going on with your situation?"

UnapologeticalyAlive · 2012-11-06T16:14:58+00:00

Well the first thing you need to understand is that she doesn't give two fucks about you until she's emotionally invested in the relationship. Her Friday night is very important to her. She has a few options as far as what to do on Friday night. She's going to choose whichever option seems like the most fun, with zero consideration given to keeping her word to you. So what you have to do is present her with an option that's more exciting than anything else she has going on that week. It's not good enough that your plan to go get Pho sounds like a pleasant experience. It has to sound better than whatever else she might have going on that night, such as a night out clubbing with her friends. Girls at that age are very fickle and all they really want is to have fun.

The prospect of having sushi with you at lunch time is more appealing than the prospect of having sushi by herself at lunch time. That's why she did it. But the prospect of having Pho with you on Friday night is honestly not that exciting unless you're some kind of superman when it comes to entertaining conversation. Dinner with a stranger can be awkward and uncomfortable if you don't mave much to talk about. You'd be a lot better off proposing some sort of shared experience where conversation won't be forced or even necessary, like going dancing or something.

squarehouse · 2012-11-06T16:27:41+00:00

Are you sure you're having trouble with attraction? It seems to me that you're doing it right: Going slow in day game, demonstrating value, building value.

First, yeah, flakes are going to happen no matter what. But I would try qualifying her more, don't be afraid to polarize. Talk about the kind of partners you each go for (in the comfort stage).

If you qualify/polarize right, you can also use it as a compliance test because she'll start to mold herself into the kind of personality that you're looking for. If you like women who can be sarcastic, she'll end up trying to be sarcastic. If you like women who have ideas and like to think deeply, she'll eventually turn the topic to thoughtful subjects.

IMHO, polarization is crucial to my game. First, it's DHV, and it's alpha. Alpha's have no trouble with women, and so they filter women out who they don't think they'll like. Beta's will take almost anyone. Second, it conveys confidence, breaks neediness. Stop being generic, and trying to catch women with a catch-all net.

And third, if you qualify on personality, and she slowly begins to mold herself into that personality, just imagine the kind of impression you're making on her? If she's just totally not interested in you, by polarizing her, you've just ejected her out, saving you time and turmoil. But if she is interested in you, by polarizing, you've left a memorable impression.

See if she flakes on you now.

Evolve_GS · 2012-11-07T01:57:41+00:00

This is a pretty common problem.

Below I've listed some ways to deal with it and linked some articles to help you if you need more info.

If the qualification routine isn't working:

Be sure you're building enough attraction - Demonstrate value and disqualify.

How to disqualify

Building Value

Look for an extra indicator of interest - you may be misinterpreting them and, therefore, timing your qualification wrong.

Indicators of Interest

Be Interested: Qualification

Make sure you're doing the routine correctly.

Bait, Hook, Reel, Release

Try a different routine.

The Sneak's Qualification Routine

Beauty is Common

For the number close issue you need to learn to seed the date. If you are already seeding a date then the problem is in you're attraction building. Here's an article on that as well:

Preventing Flakes

Cheers,

Evolve

Title	Having trouble getting to/through A3 (Mystery Method).
Author	PUAIT
Upvotes	12
Comments	28
Date	November 6, 2012 2:25 AM UTC (13 years ago)
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