Is pick-up literally just about being completely honest?

kazing · 2015-07-07T22:35:49+00:00

You are not being needy because your honesty presents a certain risk of rejection thus showing that you are attracted to her but also that you can live without her in your life.

In other words: when you invest more in yourself than in her you are not being needy.

d8_thc · 2015-07-07T23:07:11+00:00

It's honesty - but it's also who you are when you're truly honest.

If you have no hobbies, don't take care of yourself, and hate women - it doesn't matter how honest you are.

If you're the best man you can be - and honest - different story.

SilentWhiz · 2015-07-08T18:14:18+00:00

My journey with "honesty" started with direct daygame. Initially, I'd go in with a scripted line like "I thought you look really pretty." or "Your hair looks very nice today." While yes, I did (usually) get a smile and a thank you, the conversation 24/25 times NEVER moved past it.

Which was when I stepped out of my paradigm of what "direct game" was supposed to be like. I didn't deliberately verbalize it, but I did make it pretty damn obvious that I strolled over to talk to her, just cuz I wanted to. If it was indeed because her hair looked nice, I'd say it caught my eye and thus I came over to say hi. If it's because she wore clothes people normally wouldn't wear on a rainy Monday morning, I'd tell her that it caught my eye, and so forth.

It started influencing the way I interacted with people around me in my daily life. I started speaking out what I thought. It sure as hell didn't kill me, but, on the contrary, what did happen was I started caring less and less.

Now, you should have a game plan. Think about it this way - if you have nothing to say to her, it's better to say "Damn girl, you leave me speechless with your charms" in a playful way than to sit there moping and then ask, for the third time, "So ..... how do you like your job?". (I'm beginning to realize that a lot of game comes down to mastering your conversation skills, and strategizing so that the logistics are favorable for you. ) But it would have been better if you had an idea about how to propel the conversation and the interaction forward in the first place, no?

And finally, honesty can be interpreted in two ways - "speaking the truth" is one way, and "not lying" is another. What differentiates the second interpretation from the first, is that "not lying" includes not bringing up stuff you'd likely feel uncomfortable about unless the circumstances demand them. This is where social intelligence comes into play. A socially intelligent man prefers to leave certain topics for later, though he wont cower and hide if he's asked about them. He knows which battles to fight, and which to ignore.

Do you get what I'm saying? From a very technical perspective, no - pickup isn't all honesty and rainbows. But the way I interpret honesty and it's role in pickup is rather ...... philosophic, and would take much more than a couple of lines on reddit to explain; from my perspective on honesty, hell yes, pickup is, perhaps, more about honesty than anything else, in so many different ways. Simply put, quite a bit is about being honest about yourself to yourself, and being honest about yourself to those around you

KingDooble · 2015-07-07T23:24:02+00:00

The more I think about it though, I think it's about just being completely honest, all the time.

No, absolutely not. There are some shit you shouldn't say to girls. Period.

2015-07-08T00:48:34+00:00

You have to be honest to yourself first. Being confident about who you are is one thing, but you won't get to improve up to that level without accepting your own flaws. I see a lot of guys struggle with this. Faking that confidence can only get you so far, women can smell fear a mile away (or less).

SirByron · 2015-07-08T01:13:30+00:00

But let's say I'm hanging around a girl at the club, and I think she's so attractive that I can't get away from her. I want to stay around and talk to her the whole time. If that's how I honestly feel, isn't that being needy? Isn't that wrong? Where do you draw the line?

This dilemma is wonderfully explained in Models by Mark Manson.

sillymallard · 2015-07-08T05:41:13+00:00

Give, don't take. That's a big part of pickup. What you want? Don't be selfish.

spiritualdissonance · 2015-07-08T21:31:49+00:00

If I see a beautiful girl, walk right up and tell her she's beautiful. If I like some dude's shirt, tell him. If I don't like how someone's behaving towards me, tell them.

I see what you're saying with this, but it's not a rule about what you say or your actions. You should be saying things because you want to say them. Don't just say something because you had the thought. Sometimes silence is more effective. HB 8+s probably appreciate a compliment as much as anyone, but they also hear compliments often, so you giving a compliment puts you in the same bucket as everyone else: boring. Try having a conversation with someone and not having it be defined by how she looks. That might mean sometimes you don't tell a beautiful woman that she's beautiful. Which might be a risk of passing her up, depending how you look at it, but if your mindset is truly not needy, then passing up one beautiful woman is NBD. There's tons out there. I get a huge ego boost by ignoring a beautiful woman simply because I have something or someone more interesting at the moment, and overall it improves my game.

GutShot9 · 2015-07-08T17:42:24+00:00

You're generalizing but yes. Be totally honest. With yourself. But you have to be aware of your surroundings. You have to understand how a girl's mind works. And that's the game.

Title	Is pick-up literally just about being completely honest?
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Date	July 7, 2015 10:17 PM UTC (11 years ago)
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