Newbie Traps: The Problem With Direct Openers - The Social Lifestyle

Fedora09 · 2015-03-09T19:14:12+00:00

So I have only started doing day game recently and was mainly focused on night game before. But I completely disagree with pretty much everything in that article and I'm going to go over the main points.

Build A Strong Foundation So the first reason why the author lists indirect > direct is that it builds a better foundation. But you can work on your foundation, so your social skills, whether you go direct or indirect. In the grand scheme of things, your opener really is a super small part of the game.
Shows social savvy How does being indirect project more social savvy than direct? The author's reason is anyone can go up to a girl and say she's cute, all you need is the balls to do it. While that may be true, but anyone can go indirect and approach her as well. It actually takes a lot more confidence and balls to lay it out on the line and approach direct, than it takes to say, ask what toothpaste she uses or something dumb like that.
Controls frame So the author thinks that by saying hey, you're cute, you're conveying that you are already in to her and is sold. All you've done is say that you think she looks good, and you were interested in meeting her and finding out what else she has to offer. It has nothing to do with you think she's already perfect and is putting her on a pedestal. With going direct, you're frame is actually better, its from a I'm a man and I know what I want, and i'm not scared to go for it frame. Like the author even says, the girl knows whats up, no point in beating around the bush.

Benefits of going direct:

She knows you're not trying to sell her something So I live in a large city with a lot of people selling you things or trying to ask you for change. If you go indirect, a lot of times they think you want something from them. You really need to show your intent and hold your ground so she knows from the beginning what you're trying to do.
Easier to transition I find with going direct, its easier to transition in to an instadate/number. There is already intent in the beginning and you can just transition from there easily.
Defy stereotypes This one might be more specific for Asians. So in western culture, asians are already perceived as beta, and unconfident. By not getting to the point, you are just making that sterotype worse, and its much better to go direct.

The only time I believe indirect is better is if you are in a small town or an area where you might run in to the people over and over again, or the person can affect your personal life and career. In that case, you would probably tread more carefully.

Anyways, just my $0.02

diversification · 2015-03-09T15:06:01+00:00

Very curious to see some discussion on this subject. This article appears to directly contradict much of the advice that's given around here.

Jarikk · 2015-03-09T17:17:46+00:00

For those who want a tldr, his basic idea is this:

"You have to build the foundation with indirect openers, overlay it with the design that is direct openers, then finish it all up with plausibly deniable direct openers."

Interesting topic. As someone who lives in a closed-community town, this feels like a great idea to use that won't turn on you later on if something goes wrong. Like others have said, curious to see more discussion and field reports on this.

Title	Newbie Traps: The Problem With Direct Openers - The Social Lifestyle
Author	thisisntjet
Upvotes	9
Comments	6
Date	March 9, 2015 12:51 PM UTC (11 years ago)
Subreddit	Posted in /r/seduction
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