[Outer Game] Improving your fashion sense

TheI3east · 2012-10-09T20:28:42+00:00

Seriously, it's great.

They tend to dress a bit more conservatively than most, but there's something for everyone there, check out the sidebar for sure.

If money is an issue, supplement the advice you get from /r/mfa with /r/frugalmalefashion

puntingbaxter · 2012-10-09T19:28:18+00:00

My best tips are not about the style. Since everyone has a different style, and women like different styles it's not about the style.

The things that cover all styles is color and fit.

There are tons of colors that will help your skin look good. There are also colors that will make you look sick.

For me I only exclusively wear certain colors.

The next is fit. Each person has a different body shape (I am not talking about fat or skinny).

Unfortunately not all articles of clothing are cut for a certain body shape. In fact it is completely dependent on the model used for the original article of clothing.

Again, try on different cuts of clothing. Outside of color this is the second thing I check.

Get in contact with someone studying fashion. Ask them to give you a color palette for your skin tone. Also, ask them what type of fit you should be going for for your body type.

Remember style is temporary, but color and fit are permanent.

All the crap you see in GQ or other guy magazines that address style are only there for advertising.

LieBaron · 2012-10-09T23:46:06+00:00

I'm not much of a player (I do well enough, but not anything like a lifestyle thing for me), but I do have this to say:

There is definitely such a thing as dressing 'too well'. I often wear suits or at least shirt, tie and waistcoat with jeans, and I know some people have often seen me as a snob. So if you are a novice, shy, etc don't go for suits or similar clothes - your shyness will be interpreted as snobbery or aloofness in at least some cases. Similarly, you can be seen as a bit intimidating or cold. So don't wear suits if you aren't sure that you can fake confidence until you have it.

I like to wear these clothes, though, and if I want to talk to a girl I damn well will get her to open up in most cases. But if I was getting dressed only to go sarging, I'm not sure I'd wear such clothes - women seem to open up to me more when I'm wearing more casual clothes, even if I had to work a bit harder to make them notice me, so to speak. T-shirts have often worked very well for me - I'm not sure this would be the case for an overweight guy, and it probably works even better for a muscular guy than it does for me. You can probably never go entirely wrong with a nice shirt opened at the collar, if you are in doubt. Just make sure it fits.

Some more thoughts on fashion and seducing women: Consider the crowd wherever you're going, and then wear whatever they're not wearing. The thing that I just said about not wearing suits to go sarging? It's a lie: I would totally wear a suit if I was going to a punk club or a rock concert - and in fact I do, and it has never let me down. Mystery is proof that looking vaguely punk works wonders in non-punk clubs. If you're going to someplace with a certain style, consider a style that is different from that place - it doesn't have to be as extreme as punk/suits. It just has to get the girls thinking: What is a guy like that doing here? Curiosity.

As an extension of that: separating yourself from the average guy depends a lot on the average guy in the place you're in. And in a place where everyone wears more or less the same, the guy with that one little odd detail will probably have an advantage, albeit a tiny one. And women are so much more attentive of these things than most men, in general.

(tl;dr version: Peacocking doesn't have to mean dressing like a douche)

As for little individual pieces... It depends on your style, man. But finding such pieces is arguably the entire point of much of fashion. Here are some of my own:

Nice shoes is always good. I know several women who check for nice shoes on a guy as the very first thing. Classic Adidas shoes (black, three white stripes, no fuzz) are usually a good thing. But shoes depend a LOT on your style. Just make sure they aren't too worn or dirty.

I personally like bow-ties. My current favourite is a red, knitted bowtie with little hearts on it. It's adorable, and helps make my general outfit seem less formal. And girls will comment on it if they are at all interested in me, sometimes as a shit-test - 'really? You're wearing that?' Then they get to touch it, 'feel the fabric, it's so soft', kino, they're looking at my face, I'm smiling, etc. (ties and bow-ties with odd fabrics (not colours) are good for this sort of thing)

Currently buying a nice, fairly cheap watch. Nothing flashy, but vintage and with a lot of soul. It was 10 bucks or so. Much of the same as above applies.

Oh, and I just learned how to tie a bow tie with a neck tie. If nothing else, I think it's a pretty funny party trick.

Mixing very distinct styles can be a good thing. I often have little punk elements in my appearance - an occasional lapel button, the right shoes, definitely my hair cut. Women will notice, and approach/comment - I had my ex girlfriend approach me for the first time at a festival with more than 100.000 people because she had noticed me several days earlier. She was a HB9.

Hrrr, other thoughts... As was said above me, read r/mfa for a bit if you are into the classy look that is in favor there. Dress in a manner congruent with who you are.

And people who are already over AA, shyness etc do not need to worry about these things from a seduction perspective, although it can be amusing and/or informative to do so.

And finally - don't be afraid of looking stupid. You can literally disregard every single thing I said here and still be great with the women - and many are. Is there any doubt at all that mystery looks like a complete and utter tool? No? Then how relevant is this? Not very, except for when it comes to inner game. And I will tell you this: As an average-looking guy, nothing helped my game more than the realization that my looks did not really matter. And then I was free to look how I wanted, for my own reasons, rather than for what the women wanted me to look like. I suppose I am veering off topic from the outer game tags of this thread - my apologies - the point is, wear what makes you feel good. And if you don't know what clothes should make you feel good, trust reddit.

Anyway, I hope I gave some answers that were helpful. I will freely admit that I am perhaps not the best dresser, nor the greatest ladies man in the world, but I'm definitely better at both than most people I meet - of course, I neither hang out with fashion writers or PUAs. So there's that. Come at me, internet.

goaliebw · 2012-10-10T08:57:01+00:00

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sparkydoomscat · 2012-10-09T20:42:56+00:00

One thing I will tell you is pay attention to models, actors, people on the street, etc. that seem to have a style and fashion that you like. Emulate to the best of your abilities, then make it your own.

CP_Cuddler · 2012-10-10T02:02:51+00:00

This has been stated already many times in this post.

FIT is the most important thing

I can not tell you how many compliments I have gotten after changing the fit of my clothing. Girls ask me if I've been working out or lost weight. All I did was wear better fitting clothing. I swear I look 10 times better wearing a great fitting slim plain colored v-neck than I ever have in any of my baggy shirts with awesome graphics.

aznkriss133 · 2012-10-10T07:31:01+00:00

Rocking black jeans and a band tee makes me feel invincible. \m/ But yes, fit is really important as everyone here has said already.

DivineIntervention · 2012-10-10T21:39:51+00:00

A lot of people confuse dressing well with always wearing a work clothes or some bullshit. You can dress very casually and still be considered well-dressed. Get clothes that fit you, not too tight to where it squeezes you but not too baggy to where you look like you're drowning in giant cloth. If you have skinny legs, stop wearing baggy/boot-cut jeans.

Purchase quality clothes at reasonable prices. It's better to buy a $40 shirt that fits you right, looks good, and lasts a long time than a $15-$20 shirt that has one or more of its proportions off, looks okay, and/or lasts you half as long at best.

Dress for the occasion. If you're going out to a bar or club, you should be wearing dressier clothes. No, you don't need to wear a suit (you shouldn't be) or a blazer (pro tip: blazers and sports coats do not instantly "class up" your poorly constructed outfit, especially if it includes a t-shirt), but you should certainly throw on a fitted button down, some dark wash jeans/fitted pants, and some nicer shoes (No, Steve Maddens and Skechers "dress shoes" are not nice). But by that same token, if you're going for a casual stroll around town or doing something outdoorsy, you don't need to suit up.

You can casually wear a t-shirt, polo, or short/long-sleeve button down, some fitted shorts or casual pants, and sneakers and look great. Dress so that it is appropriate for where you're going and how the weather is. Personally, I cleaned out my closet of bad clothes long ago. All I have are nice clothes that fit every situation I'll be in for my age. It forces me to dress nicely because it's all I own. There's no thought of "Oh, I feel like dressing up, what should I wear?" It's only "Hmm... this is all I have, I'll just put this on today."

Also /u/LieBaron says overdressing may make you seem overconfident and cocky. Overdressing is inappropriate regardless, but if you mean dressing in a way that you feel is "too nice", when it actuality it isn't, will give off that impression, well then of course it will. Why? Because you obviously feel uncomfortable doing so. I dress well for my youthful age along with my group of friends and we're just known as those awesome, well-dressed guys. We come off as more mature and attractive because we have the confidence to be comfortable and feel good in the clothes we wear. We get attention from both genders because guys want to be like us and girls want to get to know us. There is never a moment where we wonder if we're overdoing it because we play it off. Someone told me I was well-dressed today and asked what the occasion was, I said "Wednesday."

archaicfrost · 2012-10-09T19:57:39+00:00

I'm mostly a t-shirt kind of guy. Lots of graphic tees, maybe a sports jacket on top if it's cold. I've gotten positive attention for some of them in the past (this one especially http://s3.amazonaws.com/wootsaleimages/xxmvlDetail.png) and they fit my personality, so I just try to make sure I look nice and go from there.

Last weekend I was feeling kind of classy and wanted to 'dress up' a bit so I wore a 'casual' button down shirt with a blazer and got an unbelievable amount of attitude, snark, and lip from girls at 2 or 3 different bars. I have no idea if it was a coincidence, or perhaps how I was holding myself, maybe there was a shift in my attitude, or it may have just been a bad night to be out.

The point is - personally I don't think 'style' or 'fashion sense' really matters. I've gotten attention from girls all dolled up when I'm wearing faded jeans and a hoodie. I think it's all about what looks good on you, what you are comfortable in, and what's going to back up or reinforce your personality.

Title	[Outer Game] Improving your fashion sense
Author	goaliebw
Upvotes	10
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Date	October 9, 2012 7:07 PM UTC (13 years ago)
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